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TG vs Diamond vs ???

now this is a off the wall idea.... here me out. junk yard 609 factory shafts from dana 60. use hummer wheels with 7 inch back spacing to bring the wheel inboard . again off the wall for sure. :beer:
 
chaplinfj60 said:
now this is a off the wall idea.... here me out. junk yard 609 factory shafts from dana 60. use hummer wheels with 7 inch back spacing to bring the wheel inboard . again off the wall for sure. :beer:
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Not really, that's pretty smart actually
 
Sluggy said:
I know someone who currently ordered a front for his taco and they straight up ghosted him. Diamond only does email, no phone calls.
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Brian's communication is terrible. I also know many who ordered product, waited for the quoted date, DOUBLED that timeframe, and still didn't have their product.

And by people, I include me. Delivery timeframe was double what was quoted. Ran a Diamond in my old FToy. (64" WMS front, 60" WMS rear) Great product, just don't get your hopes up on delivery or return phone calls/emails.
 
PortageeCustom said:
I don't like full custom axles, I've had to get custom shafts made for axles I didn't mess with but we're already on something. So if I can avoid it I would like too. I need a passenger drop, 6 by 5.5 wheel pattern, wmw to wmw between 56-60", 8-9" ring gear would be nice. High pinion would be awesome. Great aftermarket and oe availability.

Based on what I want, it seemed like an fj60 front axle was the way to go. But they aren't exactly common in my neck of the woods. Then again I've gone through junkyard axles before, and after time. I probably have just as much in them as starting with a trail gear case, or diamond, or a dynatrac. But the idea of the trail gear housing where you could throw in multiple different aftermarket shafts is very nice. I've seen someone break their chromy shaft. But because it was stock lengths. They were able to slide in a oe part and drive home. I really like that idea.
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A diamond or similar Toyota axle is just as custom as a 9" with super duty outters.

Could even plan out to use at least one stock length axle shaft.

Or just buy good shafts and not break them:flipoff2:
 
woody said:
Brian's communication is terrible. I also know many who ordered product, waited for the quoted date, DOUBLED that timeframe, and still didn't have their product.

And by people, I include me. Delivery timeframe was double what was quoted. Ran a Diamond in my old FToy. (64" WMS front, 60" WMS rear) Great product, just don't get your hopes up on delivery or return phone calls/emails.
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I messaged you on Instagram a couple months ago about the staggered width. I’m going to do about the same, but a couple inches wider overall for a full body Tacoma.

I’m building a street driven truck and really had my hopes set on running his rear full float setup with rear disc/internal drum parking brake as well as a few other unique products. I’m not in a huge rush but the suspense/waiting is taking its toll.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
now this is a off the wall idea.... here me out. junk yard 609 factory shafts from dana 60. use hummer wheels with 7 inch back spacing to bring the wheel inboard . again off the wall for sure. :beer:
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All good if you're OK with the 3 different tires available for 16.5s

The modern solution is factory superduty 17s. Iirc, they're 17x8 with 6.5-7" bs
 
YotaAtieToo said:
A diamond or similar Toyota axle is just as custom as a 9" with super duty outters.

Could even plan out to use at least one stock length axle shaft.

Or just buy good shafts and not break them:flipoff2:
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The argument for parts store availability always cracks me up when people are deciding crawler axles.

About the ONLY thing I can think of that could matter and would be on the shelf would be brakes from a parts store, maybe a set of wheel bearings or unit bearing too.
 
Snowy said:
The argument for parts store availability always cracks me up when people are deciding crawler axles.

About the ONLY thing I can think of that could matter and would be on the shelf would be brakes from a parts store, maybe a set of wheel bearings or unit bearing too.
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I'm even talking after market support, we are down to what TG? I have been ghosted by FROR for coming up on a week now over a new spindle and knuckle studs. Marlins a lost cause at this point, and used parts are 30-40yrs old at this point.
 
Snowy said:
The argument for parts store availability always cracks me up when people are deciding crawler axles.

About the ONLY thing I can think of that could matter and would be on the shelf would be brakes from a parts store, maybe a set of wheel bearings or unit bearing too.
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Slander said:
I'm even talking after market support, we are down to what TG? I have been ghosted by FROR for coming up on a week now over a new spindle and knuckle studs. Marlins a lost cause at this point, and used parts are 30-40yrs old at this point.
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this did make me think of how i readily available stock 1 ton shafts are

$200 and basically next day shipping from summit racing for me :usa:

luckily for my current axle setup, trail gear stuff is stocked at summit as well
 
Arickvan said:
this did make me think of how i readily available stock 1 ton shafts are

$200 and basically next day shipping from summit racing for me :usa:

luckily for my current axle setup, trail gear stuff is stocked at summit as well
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Change out Trail Gear for Yukon and what's the difference? Both exist to serve the same market on two different platforms with next day shipping available.

Slander said:
I'm even talking after market support, we are down to what TG? I have been ghosted by FROR for coming up on a week now over a new spindle and knuckle studs. Marlins a lost cause at this point, and used parts are 30-40yrs old at this point.
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TG is definitely the one stop shop for Toyota stuff but there are still folks building stuff for them.

-RCV has the CV axle market cornered for everyone, and will make custom shafts if you want no problem for Toyota axles.

-Multiple manufacturers of R&P's including ECGS even getting new castings of HP 8's

-Multiple locker manufacturers

-Multiple steering arm manufacturers

-Ruffstuff/Diamond/TG all make aftermarket housings

-Yotamasters has an insane stock of OEM Toyota parts down to the little stuff like cone washers and dowel pins


All that being said, I'd build off the 9" platform if I were starting over today. But I'm not, so I'll keep playing in my little corner of the Toyota based axle world until I have a good reason to start over.
 
i did the toyota thing up until 3 years ago, 100 percent trade off between both. this is why i love the 609. and i still think a person can build a 609 with in a decent budget. it will be more $$$$ because its all new components for sure. but if i was buying a housing and i could keep my existing one going and build a 9 inch in the background i would.
 
Snowy said:
Change out Trail Gear for Yukon and what's the difference? Both exist to serve the same market on two different platforms with next day shipping available.



TG is definitely the one stop shop for Toyota stuff but there are still folks building stuff for them.

-RCV has the CV axle market cornered for everyone, and will make custom shafts if you want no problem for Toyota axles.

-Multiple manufacturers of R&P's including ECGS even getting new castings of HP 8's

-Multiple locker manufacturers

-Multiple steering arm manufacturers

-Ruffstuff/Diamond/TG all make aftermarket housings

-Yotamasters has an insane stock of OEM Toyota parts down to the little stuff like cone washers and dowel pins


All that being said, I'd build off the 9" platform if I were starting over today. But I'm not, so I'll keep playing in my little corner of the Toyota based axle world until I have a good reason to start over.
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Oh i was thinking about shafts for the TG +3 and +5 housings

but i'm with you on the 9" :laughing:
 
Slander said:
I'm even talking after market support, we are down to what TG? I have been ghosted by FROR for coming up on a week now over a new spindle and knuckle studs. Marlins a lost cause at this point, and used parts are 30-40yrs old at this point.
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If you need spindles sooner you can call Cruiser Outfitters. They’ll have quality Japanese ones in the mail probably this afternoon.
 
Slander said:
I'm even talking after market support, we are down to what TG? I have been ghosted by FROR for coming up on a week now over a new spindle and knuckle studs. Marlins a lost cause at this point, and used parts are 30-40yrs old at
Snowy said:
The argument for parts store availability always cracks me up when people are deciding crawler axles.

About the ONLY thing I can think of that could matter and would be on the shelf would be brakes from a parts store, maybe a set of wheel bearings or unit bearing too.
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But if shafts are based on factory lengths the aftermarket will already have those shafts on the shelf without having to do a custom order. That's nice if it's possible. Same with using disc brakes, factory style master cylinders. I'm always hesitant to buy universal items because they probably won't keep that product around forever.
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PortageeCustom said:
On the 9" build does that low pinion ever cause a lot of problems?
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My buddy always harps about the low pinion being really low

but so many people run them I'm sure its fine, also account for rotating the pinion up for the correct u joint angles

I'm still on a toy 8" rear end but maybe others will chime in
 
triple_fcked said:
Marlin discontinued mini truck high steer and big pin kits
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Can't say I'm hugely surprised. I do like the big pins compared to stock 17mm pins but I don't like them as much as the TG eliminators that I've run too.

PortageeCustom said:
On the 9" build does that low pinion ever cause a lot of problems?
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It's a thing to be aware of.

If, IF, I were to actually get serious about building a new set of axles, it would be HP Gearworks HP10's front and rear to alleviate the driveshaft issues. Money be damned, just build them and forget them. Move them to the next rig if I ever totaled this one

Running an FZJ80 9.5" rear and an old Sky's Tacoma width 8" front housing now.
 
Junkyard super duty axles are cheaper to build than Toyota stuff, Im around 5500 into front and rear 05 super duty axles, just running stock brakes that came on them, stock shafts etc. Still have yet to break anything in the axles on 40s.

The super duty 60 unit bearing is 4 bolts and a snap ring, and you can remove the entire shaft vs dealing with toyota knuckle bullshit.

Sterling rear axle is full float 35 spline and has more ground clearance than a shaved 14 bolt
 
chays2464 said:
Junkyard super duty axles are cheaper to build than Toyota stuff, Im around 5500 into front and rear 05 super duty axles, just running stock brakes that came on them, stock shafts etc. Still have yet to break anything in the axles on 40s.

The super duty 60 unit bearing is 4 bolts and a snap ring, and you can remove the entire shaft vs dealing with toyota knuckle bullshit.

Sterling rear axle is full float 35 spline and has more ground clearance than a shaved 14 bolt
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Only downside of Super duty axles is if you wanna use leaf springs up front.I had to be patient and eventually found a good deal on a set of Dodge kingpin axles because I'm too cheap and not smart enough to link my truck.

If I was starting a fresh build on a Toyota mini truck I would use 05+SD axles and either flip the front housing tubes or use a crawlbox adapter to put a driver drop chain drive case.
 
Snowy said:
Can't say I'm hugely surprised. I do like the big pins compared to stock 17mm pins but I don't like them as much as the TG eliminators that I've run too.



It's a thing to be aware of.

If, IF, I were to actually get serious about building a new set of axles, it would be HP Gearworks HP10's front and rear to alleviate the driveshaft issues. Money be damned, just build them and forget them. Move them to the next rig if I ever totaled this one

Running an FZJ80 9.5" rear and an old Sky's Tacoma width 8" front housing now.
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Yea that's getting nutty with just the center section,
Snowy said:
Can't say I'm hugely surprised. I do like the big pins compared to stock 17mm pins but I don't like them as much as the TG eliminators that I've run too.



It's a thing to be aware of.

If, IF, I were to actually get serious about building a new set of axles, it would be HP Gearworks HP10's front and rear to alleviate the driveshaft issues. Money be damned, just build them and forget them. Move them to the next rig if I ever totaled this one

Running an FZJ80 9.5" rear and an old Sky's Tacoma width 8" front housing now.
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Those high pinion 9" center sections are crazy pricey. It gets close to atlas or hero transfercase money. But I do see the advantages. And if they are set up with lockers. One and done.
 
PortageeCustom said:
Yea that's getting nutty with just the center section,

Those high pinion 9" center sections are crazy pricey. It gets close to atlas or hero transfercase money. But I do see the advantages. And if they are set up with lockers. One and done.
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True hi9 with a grizzly is $2850

TG 8" high pinion is $2250 :laughing:

Although ecgs has them for $1600, who h isn't bad for an all new 3rd.

If you're OK with a low pinion, the 9" 3rds are very cheap. Especially if you use a spool.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
True hi9 with a grizzly is $2850

TG 8" high pinion is $2250 :laughing:

Although ecgs has them for $1600, who h isn't bad for an all new 3rd.

If you're OK with a low pinion, the 9" 3rds are very cheap. Especially if you use a spool.
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damn 2850 for a true hi9 is not bad at all

i just picked up a built low pinion rear toy 8 from yotamasters with rem polish gears and a grizzly for $2kish
 
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