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Stock Corvette: 233 mph

SLOWPOKE693 said:
I always thought of Porsche as drivable supercars and that's why I've always been a fan. You try and daily a Ferrari or Lamborghini of that era and it won't go a week without needing major maintenance. :laughing:
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Mine got an oil change and air filter change once a year, and valves adjusted and plugs/cap and rotor every other year, oh the horror. It ate tires, but running a 40 durometer tire will do that.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I always thought of Porsche as drivable supercars and that's why I've always been a fan. You try and daily a Ferrari or Lamborghini of that era and it won't go a week without needing major maintenance. :laughing:
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No. The only Porsche supercars are the 918, Carerra GT and 911GT1. The Taycan is borderline. It doesn’t come as a base model. Edit add the 959, that is a supercar.

GT3/2/turbo are not. They come in base models.

I’d say the RUF cars are borderline though. The Cayenne I drove was absolutely a monster and had a vin number from RUF not Porsche.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
How many Gs can you pull in a new ZR1 before it has oiling issues and blows the engine up.......

Its not like that's ever been a problem for GM before so I'm sure they got it figured out. :lmao:
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Dude, I DGAF about Chebbies, even a Zee Are Juan Chevette, but you're still pissing up a rope logic-wise unless you have access to salt flats or air strips & want to go fast in a straight line for 1-10 minutes just to see your top speed in that one-off publicity stunt record-breaker "production street car" :laughing:

Not saying the '88 is not badass, just saying the new top-tier piece-of-shit Corvette is more practically fast than that old top-tier piece-of-shit Corvette. :stirthepot:
 
Kyle said:
No. The only Porsche supercars are the 918, Carerra GT and 911GT1. The Taycan is borderline. It doesn’t come as a base model. Edit add the 959, that is a supercar.

GT3/2/turbo are not. They come in base models.

I’d say the RUF cars are borderline though. The Cayenne I drove was absolutely a monster and had a vin number from RUF not Porsche.
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RUF is a TUV approved manufacturer. Their cars may look like a Porsche, but they're not.

The GT2 and GT3, and especially the GT3 are track cars.
 
How much did GM spend on R&D on the ZR1? or the C8 platform? Just to offer this car at $200k?
 
ExWrench said:
Dude, I DGAF about Chebbies, even a Zee Are Juan Chevette, but you're still pissing up a rope logic-wise unless you have access to salt flats or air strips & want to go fast in a straight line for 1-10 minutes just to see your top speed in that one-off publicity stunt record-breaker "production street car" :laughing:

Not saying the '88 is not badass, just saying the new top-tier piece-of-shit Corvette is more practically fast than that old top-tier piece-of-shit Corvette. :stirthepot:
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He didn’t do 255 in a straight line. I was thinking it was the salt flats but that must have been another car in another video I watched.

"The Sledgehammer proved its mettle by shuttling John Lingenfelter from Old Lyme, Connecticut to the 7.5-mile oval at Transportation Research Center in East Liberty, Ohio—a trek of nearly 700 miles—before, on October 26, 1988, laying down its record-setting top-speed of 254.76 mph with him behind the wheel."
 
WhiteTrash303 said:
Porsche should have stopped after the 993. It was pure perfection.
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Thank the .gov for that. Even Porsche engineers couldn't get air cooled cars to meet the regs.

After the engine swap, my 76, even without a cat, blew better numbers than when the car left the factory. It was originally sold in Seattle, so was a non cat car, and I told my painter, DO NOT paint over this sticker. SMOG station monkeys had no idea what they were looking at as far as the engine was concerned, and as long as the tailpipe said OK, I'd get it to pass.

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First US car ranks 19th - and it ain't a Vette

Maybe the gold chain, NB sneakers, and players jacket is slowing the Vette down, or maybe they are just scared to put up against the best in the world. :lmao::lmao::stirthepot:

Radicals are listed because they are "technically" a street car, can be licensed and insured.

I don't think I would count half the cars listed as Supercars. Sure nice Porsche buddy, and impressed you gave Manthey as much again to give you something special, but super car - not so much.

My criteria for a Supercar would be (and not even going to touch Hypercars like the Aston of the F80)
  • needs to be within 2 % of the fastest road cars on a given track, say the R&T tests at Laguna, or a run at Nurburgring, or run a bunch on the same day, same conditions, same track, I suggest somewhere they can stretch their legs like Road America.
  • needs to be limited production, not available to the average joe off the street, regardless of $$$. I would count the higher levels of Porsche, Ferrari, Aston, Lambo in this club. You know the club where you have to have owned 5 Ferrari's before you are eligible to order the next high level model, that you can only run on track days, and is supported only by the factory, and stored only at the factory. That kind of limited edition, that is over subscribed 5 times. You can add McLaren, and some of the boutique Euro builders in too. You don't just open your checkbook and buy a P5 Senna edition, you are approved as a buyer first. Usually after buying several of the lower level models. I worked for a lottery winner who bought 4 Pagani's before the owner deemed him worthy of the top model.
  • Needs to be a panty dropper
  • Needs to be something a young kid wants to sketch on his tablet
  • Needs to make Alpha males turn their heads for a second look
  • Needs a Pro Driver to extract the ultimate performance, needs enough electronic nanny aids to keep the owner from Mustanging the crowd at cars and coffee
But most important of all,
- Does Randy Pobst consider this a supercar? I trust his opinion, I think the rest of us are fools.
 
Its a badass car for sure. I would consider it supercar class, but it lacks the 'exotic' part supercars have always held. But some lambos and ferraris which have had the supercar label forever are now in the $200k range which makes them more affordable and much less exotic, imo. So given the lambo and ferrari that have basically lowered the bar, a vette now meets that bar.


Its a badass american car and worthy of respect, BUT its $200k for a vette. If you had $250k to drop on a car, would it be a vette, lambo or ferrari? I think a lot will still go italian for the perception of 'exotic'
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I always thought of Porsche as drivable supercars and that's why I've always been a fan. You try and daily a Ferrari or Lamborghini of that era and it won't go a week without needing major maintenance. :laughing:
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But even then,

the yellow bird was a development of a Pcar by a tuner, so does that really count? Performance wise, sure.

Of that era, the 959 was definitely a supercar, maybe the first supercar. Top of all the Porsches, and still a very desirable and valuable investment. The performance would seem tame by todays hot hatch standards, kinda, and really tame compared to the new Vette's.

I still see the 959 as a Supercar. I don't see the modern Vette as one.

So definitely not considering performance alone, I think it needs to be taken in context of the times too.

And of course most of this is subjective and even personal opinion. But even if I hop up my Suby STi / Mustang / Camaro / Vette to insane levels of power and handling, and I smoke a GTR around the track, that does not make my POS a supercar. Sorry Rugger, your V8 Miata would beat most stock Supercars around a track, but they leave in their supercar, and you leave in your (not so gay) Miata

Of the same era more or less as the Ruf cars, I would consider the Lambo Countach S as one of the supercars. Probably as many posters of that car as there were of Farrah Fawcett. By todays standards the Countach would be outrun by a Mini CooperS, and you sure could not live with that car as a daily driver without major sacrifice. Again, Countach remains a Supercar in my opinion, the Mini, probably not. (although a really rare specimen, a record holder at PP :lmao:)
 
XtremeJ said:
But even then,

the yellow bird was a development of a Pcar by a tuner, so does that really count? Performance wise, sure.

Of that era, the 959 was definitely a supercar, maybe the first supercar. Top of all the Porsches, and still a very desirable and valuable investment. The performance would seem tame by todays hot hatch standards, kinda, and really tame compared to the new Vette's.

I still see the 959 as a Supercar. I don't see the modern Vette as one.
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I don't know if Ruf was an official manufacturer back in 87, but I don't think so, so yeah tuner car, but they did make 30 of them.

The 959 was so badass, they put a lift kit on it and won Dakar in 86. :smokin:
 
Roc Doc said:
I don't know if Ruf was an official manufacturer back in 87, but I don't think so, so yeah tuner car, but they did make 30 of them.

The 959 was so badass, they put a lift kit on it and won Dakar in 86. :smokin:
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yup, not sure when they became TUF licensed. An amazing piece of kit, and when you know that the OEM's did not tune cars in Germany, I think with 30 made they classify - at least in my opinion. BMW had Alpine, Mercedes had AMG, even Audi had a private company that tuned the cars. When I was involved with BMW in South Africa I remember being told it was something to do with German law.

959 in Rothmans livery Ickx driving - yup, fortunate to see that
 
ExWrench said:
Uhhh . . . heavily (and expensively) modified vs. showroom-floor stock = comparing apples to banana hammocks :laughing:

I'd bet the new Vette can go 255 w/ less aftermarket $ than the 1988 Vette did, not even accounting for inflation. Like gears & a tune, or just a tune. I'm not a Vette fanboy but the new ZR1 is a far superior car for actual fast-car use stuff, mostly because 3.5 decades of technology advances.
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I'd be willing to bet theres little to no overhead for a "tune" on this vette. Hell most of Mopars factory performance cars have no room to tune. They push these engines to the max for these numbers and without adding or going bigger on the forced induction, they're capped. That said some bigger turbskis would probably work:laughing:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
The Calloway Sledgehammer C4 vette was going 255mph back in 1988. 233mph in a brand new vette, meh. Going slower 36 years later is not all that impressive considering all the technology that has come out since then.
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You didn't read the article where it was only geared for 235 and they were on a high speed oval.

They could toss higher gears at it, but there's nowhere to go that fast reasonably safe.



I have a new standard for super cars. They have to have the super super Michelin or Perelli tires rated for 200+ mph.
 
Alpine4x4 said:
I'd be willing to bet theres little to no overhead for a "tune" on this vette. Hell most of Mopars factory performance cars have no room to tune. They push these engines to the max for these numbers and without adding or going bigger on the forced induction, they're capped. That said some bigger turbskis would probably work:laughing:
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Yeah, they're probably maxed out but, fortunately for Chebby, most ZR1s will likely get idled to Cars 'n' Coffee by the jean shorts + New Balance crowd :laughing: I've known a few "Corvette" guys who were retired honkies that fit the "status douchebag" stereotype & have never found the rev limiter - fookin' sad, really :frown:

Other than the handful of ZR1s that get driven like they were stolen, most will likely make it out of warranty before their engines grenade because tapping into ~20% of rated HP doesn't wreck mechanical parts.
 
Norm said:
They slapped twin turbos on the z06 5.5 liter, so probably not much.
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So they're charging $100k+ for two turbos, so the clown wearing new balance shoes and claim it's a 200+ mph 'super car'.

Got it. Leave me in the unimpressed camp.
 
Never been for a ride in a C8 let alone a C8 ZR1. But been right seat in a C7 ZR1 by a very competent driver. He had a C6 Z06 before that. The C7 ZR1 was the difference a stock B7 A4 audi and RS4. He had both as well and the RS4 was up to about 700 at the tire. It was stupid fast and very confidence inspiring to drive. The C7 ZR1 made the Audi RS 4 look kinda tame. It isnt a 1 trick pony. It went around corners like a roller coaster, acceleration was staggering and the breaks were even more impressive than the acceleration. I imagine the C8 ZR1 is even more awesome all across the board.
 
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