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Dadnson1 said:
I have an older 1845 with the Case engine in it. Stupid reliable but noisy and slow as mentioned above. Downside is the older machines do not have the auxiliary controls for attachments that require additional hydraulics. Can be added but expensive so if you are planning on running attachments the 1845C is a better choice.
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On the 1845C auxiliary hydraulic quick couplers were originally ball style which no one has ran since 97. Everything is flat face quick couplers today. Fawked up thing was case first came out with the wrong style flat face. I think it was an attempt to force people to use their own attachments at the time. A couple years or so later, case went with industry standard flat faced couplers. Just an fyi if you find a case of that vintage or earlier with auxiliary hydraulics on it.
 
billybob_81067 said:
Size matters too. I wouldn't even look at anything unless it's a decent sized machine. Those super small skid steers wouldn't really be useful for anything I'd want it to do. Also I see people keep talking about the old chain drive machines. What the hell do the newer ones run? Gears to connect the front and rears? I've only been around older machines I guess.



To be fair that mini loader would probably bring about the same price here, because it's really an oddball configuration that not many people would want to dick with.
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New skid steers from the mid 90’s on run a bow tie chain drive system. Basically meaning, the hydraulic drive motor chain drive sprocket is located between the front a rear axle on each side of the machine (left and right drive motors) it’s a dual chain drive sprocket on the motor shaft. One chain feeds the rear wheel and the other chain feeds the front wheel. The chains are prestressed high tensile strength HD chains with no master links in them. The chain cases have their own oil in them for only lubricating the chains and axle bearings. It’s a very reliable system and can take a lot of punishment. I sold a ton of skid loaders with the brawler sold flex tires (R4 tread solid rubber tire with egg shaped holes cast in the sidewalls for cushioning) and a set of over the tire steel grouser brand tracks. This was up to when Deere released their first CTL. After that it was rare to sell a skid with that set up on it anymore as the CTLs dominated that market
 
Landslide said:
New skid steers from the mid 90’s on run a bow tie chain drive system. Basically meaning, the hydraulic drive motor chain drive sprocket is located between the front a rear axle on each side of the machine (left and right drive motors) it’s a dual chain drive sprocket on the motor shaft. One chain feeds the rear wheel and the other chain feeds the front wheel. The chains are prestressed high tensile strength HD chains with no master links in them. The chain cases have their own oil in them for only lubricating the chains and axle bearings. It’s a very reliable system and can take a lot of punishment. I sold a ton of skid loaders with the brawler sold flex tires (R4 tread solid rubber tire with egg shaped holes cast in the sidewalls for cushioning) and a set of over the tire steel grouser brand tracks. This was up to when Deere released their first CTL. After that it was rare to sell a skid with that set up on it anymore as the CTLs dominated that market
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And the old ones run roller chain and when you move the levers from forward to reverse you're switching the side of the chain being driven.

Tons of indoor indoor and paved surface shit is still running solid tires.
 
arse_sidewards said:
And the old ones run roller chain and when you move the levers from forward to reverse you're switching the side of the chain being driven.

Tons of indoor indoor and paved surface shit is still running solid tires.
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You eat paint lead paint chips as a kid? Do heavy drugs like meth? Reading comprehension escapes you for sure.

Do you honestly think anyone on here doesn’t know how roller chains work?
:homer:

Read my post reeeeeal carefully and slooooowly to maybe let it sink in. I fawking said sales on solid flex brawler tires WITH GROUSER STEEL OVER THE TIRE TRACKS SALES DIED. But no, your retarded dumb fuck ass with one brain cell starving for oxygen thinks I said all fucking solid tire machine sales died. :homer: Go back to sniffing paint in rattle cans. :shaking:
 
Landslide said:
Do you honestly think anyone on here doesn’t know how roller chains work?
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It's the trick mechanism that they use to reverse direction that I was trying (poorly and with low effort :laughing:) to convey. Not the principals of the fucking roller chain drive itself.


Landslide said:
Read my post reeeeeal carefully and slooooowly to maybe let it sink in. I fawking said sales on solid flex brawler tires WITH GROUSER STEEL OVER THE TIRE TRACKS SALES DIED. But no, your retarded dumb fuck ass with one brain cell starving for oxygen thinks I said all fucking solid tire machine sales died. :homer: Go back to sniffing paint in rattle cans. :shaking:
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You're trying to find disagreement where there is none. All I said was solids are still popular. :shaking:
 
Foley caterpillar is having a yard sale June 4th I may make a trip because of this thread.
 
rockdog57 said:
Not sure about $1000 machines. Never seen one here. Not even ones that were burned up. I drove clear to Iowa to buy my little case 1818. Way more stuff in the farm country I guess. I needed a very small machine to get into tight spaces. With some tlc it’s been a good little machine. I’ve used the hell outta it.
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This. Burned around here still pulls 4 or 5k depending how badly burned. Marketplace/Craigs are 10k minimum. Auction may go 8k, but you get what you get there. $1000 skidster? Arse is smoking dope.
 
You fuckwads should really go through the "interesting CL finds" thread before running your mouths.

I've put 2-3 $1k or thereabouts skid steers in there.
 
Ooooooo, heres a deal. $3,500 and it can be yours.

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How about this cream puff skat track for just only $7,500?

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And den, there’s this jewel for the low low price of just $4,500

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Don’t forget to check out this incredible bobcat too for juuuuuust $5,500 and it could be yours to work on

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Let’s not forget the chain case hydraulic reservoir new holland machine too shall we.
Great deal here so act fast or it’ll get away from ya. $1,500 and it’s your new problem child sucking money out of your wallet which will never end with this machine.

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And there we have it folks, the best of the best for under $10k. Now, no worries, you’ll have $20k in one of them in no time so you’ll have that feel good going for you, plus think of all the new parts you have in them that you won’t have to re replace very soon. Happy skidding.
 
Landslide said:
Let’s not forget the chain case hydraulic reservoir new holland machine too shall we.
Great deal here so act fast or it’ll get away from ya. $1,500 and it’s your new problem child sucking money out of your wallet which will never end with this machine.
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for 1500 bucks I'd give that one a go

the rest of them are pretty regular for my area
 
[486] said:
for 1500 bucks I'd give that one a go

the rest of them are pretty regular for my area
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Looking at the ROPS on it, I’m going to say it’s pre safety belt interlock system machine. Same type of machine I sold used that killed the owner a bit over a month later.
 
what a bunch of sweet ass garbage! I had a bobcat chaindrive. sold it before I wasted any money on it. ended up with my T300 for way too cheap, thanks to a friend who knew his boss needed it gone.
 
Landslide said:
Looking at the ROPS on it, I’m going to say it’s pre safety belt interlock system machine. Same type of machine I sold used that killed the owner a bit over a month later.
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even better, it comes with a free side order of the sweet release of death
 
Landslide said:
You eat paint lead paint chips as a kid? Do heavy drugs like meth? Reading comprehension escapes you for sure.

Do you honestly think anyone on here doesn’t know how roller chains work?
:homer:

Read my post reeeeeal carefully and slooooowly to maybe let it sink in. I fawking said sales on solid flex brawler tires WITH GROUSER STEEL OVER THE TIRE TRACKS SALES DIED. But no, your retarded dumb fuck ass with one brain cell starving for oxygen thinks I said all fucking solid tire machine sales died. :homer: Go back to sniffing paint in rattle cans. :shaking:
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I run OTT on my S250. Gave had people say it's going to blow up the axle bearing, chains, kill nuns, etc.

If it does, it does I guess. Would be constantly stuck without the tracks.
 
[486] said:
even better, it comes with a free side order of the sweet release of death
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Hard part of all that was it was his wife that came to our store to inform us about it and help her sell it. But hey, if you wanna risk getting squished or smashed and run over, knock yourself out.
 
AKnate said:
I run OTT on my S250. Gave had people say it's going to blow up the axle bearing, chains, kill nuns, etc.

If it does, it does I guess. Would be constantly stuck without the tracks.
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It depends on the bobcat and what tire combo setup you’re running. The bobcats with the long axle tubes encountered the most serious issues. But this mostly caused by running foam filled tires and OTT

There’s needs to be room for forgiveness running foam filled or solid tires with OTT setup. Foam filled tires have no forgiveness at all, so when operating off road (as these machines were built for) in rocky environments, there is a high probability that a large enough rock too big to pass through the gaps in the tracks would get inside the tracks. Operator try’s to formate the machine to travel thus jamming the big rock between the tire and tracks. Something has to give and it’s going to be the weak area or part.

The first new holland / Deeres that came out in 94 had thin steel where the axle housings were bolted to the chassis. They often ended up bending the chassis plate area for the axle assembly. The mfg then came out with a thick plate to weld over this area to stiffen the chassis area for the drive axle housing

Bobcats with long axle tubes would get bent. These are welded in and part of the base chassis. Good luck fixing that.

So in that time I just instructed owners to be sure to run the tracks pretty lose to allow room for a rock to pass by the foam filled tire and track.

Then, brawler came out with their solid flex wheel tire setup and we sold the shit of of those. The egg shaped holes cast in the sidewalls saved weight, improved the ride and could be recapped up to four times. Their initial cost was higher than foam filled tires but paid for themselves over time several times over.

I’ve seen bent chassis, bent axle tubes and broken drive chains from running foam filled tires and OTT grousers running foam filled tires.

I highly not recommend running steel OTT with pneumatic tires either. Once a tire gets low on air, the tracks pop it off the rim. Then guess what? You gotta break the tracks down and take them off on the spot to get access to the flat tire. After one or two times with that, customers came back wanting to buy foam filled or solid flex tires.

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Landslide said:
It depends on the bobcat and what tire combo setup you’re running. The bobcats with the long axle tubes encountered the most serious issues. But this mostly caused by running foam filled tires and OTT

There’s needs to be room for forgiveness running foam filled or solid tires with OTT setup. Foam filled tires have no forgiveness at all, so when operating off road (as these machines were built for) in rocky environments, there is a high probability that a large enough rock too big to pass through the gaps in the tracks would get inside the tracks. Operator try’s to formate the machine to travel thus jamming the big rock between the tire and tracks. Something has to give and it’s going to be the weak area or part.

The first new holland / Deeres that came out in 94 had thin steel where the axle housings were bolted to the chassis. They often ended up bending the chassis plate area for the axle assembly. The mfg then came out with a thick plate to weld over this area to stiffen the chassis area for the drive axle housing

Bobcats with long axle tubes would get bent. These are welded in and part of the base chassis. Good luck fixing that.

So in that time I just instructed owners to be sure to run the tracks pretty lose to allow room for a rock to pass by the foam filled tire and track.

Then, brawler came out with their solid flex wheel tire setup and we sold the shit of of those. The egg shaped holes cast in the sidewalls saved weight, improved the ride and could be recapped up to four times. Their initial cost was higher than foam filled tires but paid for themselves over time several times over.

I’ve seen bent chassis, bent axle tubes and broken drive chains from running foam filled tires and OTT grousers running foam filled tires.

I highly not recommend running steel OTT with pneumatic tires either. Once a tire gets low on air, the tracks pop it off the rim. Then guess what? You gotta break the tracks down and take them off on the spot to get access to the flat tire. After one or two times with that, customers came back wanting to buy foam filled or solid flex tires.

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I've put a few thousand hours on my machine, only flat I've had was when a tire wore out and I wore through the tube.
 
This is a video from 1994 during the Deere introduction of the new 75 series skid steer loaders that were coming out. This was a dealership intro event up in Oshkosh WI at the vintage air plane airport that they have shows at every year.

The operator was Larry Foster my first Deere rep and one hell of a great guy. Unfortunately he passed away several years ago R.I.P. Larry

 
AKnate said:
I've put a few thousand hours on my machine, only flat I've had was when a tire wore out and I wore through the tube.
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A few thousand hours on a skid steer tire? I find that very hard to believe sorry. What are you running it in?

Tubes are nightmares in skid steer tires too, just put a tire plug in it and go.

Reason I said you’ll have to break the tracks down to fix a flat on a pneumatic tire is because the tracks are going to pop it off the bead of the rim and jam mud and dirt in there.

Skid steer tires wear out just by the very fact that the machine skids to turn and this wears on the tires. Even arcing your turns still wears them out over time. I’ve never seen a tire get past 1500 hours much less a few thousand hours.
 
Landslide said:
A few thousand hours on a skid steer tire? I find that very hard to believe sorry. What are you running it in?

Tubes are nightmares in skid steer tires too, just put a tire plug in it and go.

Reason I said you’ll have to break the tracks down to fix a flat on a pneumatic tire is because the tracks are going to pop it off the bead of the rim and jam mud and dirt in there.

Skid steer tires wear out just by the very fact that the machine skids to turn and this wears on the tires. Even arcing your turns still wears them out over time. I’ve never seen a tire get past 1500 hours much less a few thousand hours.
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Dirt and I know how to operate it to not to tear it up.
Mostly used for moving logs, plowing snow, bush hogging, dirt work, some offroad forklifting.

Have over 2000 hrs on what originally were the rear tires. Been on the front a few years, maybe 25% tread now. Machine has about 5000hrs.
 
AKnate said:
Dirt and I know how to operate it to not to tear it up.
Mostly used for moving logs, plowing snow, bush hogging, dirt work, some offroad forklifting.

Have over 2000 hrs on what originally were the rear tires. Been on the front a few years, maybe 25% tread now. Machine has about 5000hrs.
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No rocks around you I suppose, this area is nothing but rocks. I knew a few operators who really took care of his they ran their machines but still never saw 2,000 hours out of tires. Mid to northern Missouri is dirt farm land and machines I saw traded in from up there had oddball tires on them most of the time.

Same with rubber tracks. Most I saw on a set of those was pushing 1,500 hours.
 
Landslide said:
Looking at the ROPS on it, I’m going to say it’s pre safety belt interlock system machine. Same type of machine I sold used that killed the owner a bit over a month later.
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Mine had some sort of seat pressure switch on it I suppose. I dunno. someone wire nutted the wires together long before I bought it. Then I took that shit off of there, shortened up the wires back to the harness and properly soldered them together! :lmao: Fuck that safety Nancy bullshit!
 
Before Cat released high flow and two speed on their track machines we were installing Loegering VTS systems on 248B machines so customers could run mulchers and not get stuck. The dealer I was at pushed the Loftness Timberax which seemed to work very well at the time with Cats XPS system.


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The Loftness® Timber Ax™ mulching head for skid steers for uses a unique reverse rotor rotation for superior efficiency.
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