Skidsteer knowledge needed

[clodhopper]

Just get the oldest most clapped out cheapest skid steer you can find. That's what I'd do.

I picked up a New Holland L785 and have been working on it here and there when I have time. It's 100% mechanical and simple. Had to yank the pumps out and re-seal a few things. A couple of new hoses too. One lift cylinder needed rebuilt. Almost done with everything but a bit of wiring, and then gotta adapt it to a different quick attach system. I'm still leaning towards Euro/Global style quick attach for all the shit I'm planning on ever quick attaching.

I do pretty much the same thing. This is really just a backup piece that will save me some time and hassle if running. If not, I give a sigh and go fire up something else that will do the job but with more hassle. I wont be relying on it, and it will actually be the smallest piece in the array of rollin parts piles.

I dont expect equipment to impress anyone else. If it starts and gets the job done, it is all the impressing I seek.

I a fine with clapped out getting only the worst issues addressed and then flogging it until the next hafta fix moment. Seems to work for me.

But.... that is why I want mechanical with no electronics and the least electrical. A powered circuit to connect a starter button to the starter is really all I need and want.

 

[1oddtech]

Alternator usually helps to restart it next time you go to use it

 

[Landslide]

Just get the oldest most clapped out cheapest skid steer you can find. That's what I'd do.

I picked up a New Holland L785 and have been working on it here and there when I have time. It's 100% mechanical and simple. Had to yank the pumps out and re-seal a few things. A couple of new hoses too. One lift cylinder needed rebuilt. Almost done with everything but a bit of wiring, and then gotta adapt it to a different quick attach system. I'm still leaning towards Euro/Global style quick attach for all the shit I'm planning on ever quick attaching.

^^^ this is a machine that uses the sacks drive chain cases as the hydraulic reservoir also

Another thing to mention here is that in 1994 the patient for the bobcat quick watch system expired. That’s when the new holland / Deere new models came out also had the this style quick watch on them. Case did too but was goofy and miss needed to be done on attachments to fit their machines back then.

So basically anything prior to 1994 will have their own style of attachment quick couple system on the machines. Companies used to sell conversion kits or complete new style quick tatch plates for older machines but stopped once those sales dried up over time.

 

[DRTDEVL]

Yeah that’s an old machine. It uses steering clutches and a chain on tensioners. I’d steer away from this if possible.

Stay away from pre 1993 New Hollands and Deeres (same chassis different engines). They used the axle drive chains area as the hydraulic reservoir

Pre-85 Deeres aren't actually Deere, though. Its literally a Mustang with JD Green paint.

I'd have to check more closely to see the hydro reservoir on mine, but the fill and dipstick is right in front of the fuel tank, which is integral to the left and rear bodies.

 

[Landslide]

Pre-85 Deeres aren't actually Deere, though. Its literally a Mustang with JD Green paint.

I'd have to check more closely to see the hydro reservoir on mine, but the fill and dipstick is right in front of the fuel tank, which is integral to the left and rear bodies.

I already stated that Deere started making their own machines in 1999

During the mid to late 80’s to 1998 new holland made chassis for Deere. Prior to the mid 80’s Ottawa built Deeres skid steers. Ottawa had financial issues and Deere pulled the plug. Mustang bought Ottawa after that if memory serves me right.

Back then Deere offered a green 125 skid steer loader and a yellow 24A skid steer loader

 

[DRTDEVL]

I already stated that Deere started making their own machines in 1999

During the mid to late 80’s to 1998 new holland made chassis for Deere. Prior to the mid 80’s Ottawa built Deeres skid steers. Ottawa had financial issues and Deere pulled the plug. Mustang bought Ottawa after that if memory serves me right.

Back then Deere offered a green 125 skid steer loader and a yellow 24A skid steer loader

Owatonna (OMC) made them. They sold the Mustang brand to Gehl in 1997, then Gehl was snatched up by Manitou in 2008.

 

[Landslide]

Owatonna (OMC) made them. They sold the Mustang brand to Gehl in 1997, then Gehl was snatched up by Manitou in 2008.

I knew I misspelled that companies name but couldn’t remember it totally.

I thought Gehl shut down Mustang before they got bought up?

The industry keeps changing for sure. I’m just glad I don’t have to sell against the new Yanmar CTL. ASV (which Yanmar owns) offers same machine but also with their rubber rollers boogy track system which is horrible in our environment here. That thing has 15” ground clearance there’s a lot about those machines I really like and they raised the bar imo.

 

[clodhopper]

Alternator usually helps to restart it next time you go to use it

Solar charger/controller FTW. Pretty standard on my equipment to keep the batteries up and not freeze in the winter during low use. <$50 in parts for a battery that is perpetually topped up. One of the upsides of 300+ days of sun a year.

 

[Landslide]

A guy I know just posted these photos up of the new Deere P series CTL big chassis machines. Well, actually Deere is around 30 days out on the new bigger big chassis 335P machines. Hate to see the price tag on that beast.

I like the changes I see on the P series so far tho.

 

[CarterKraft]

A guy I know just posted these photos up of the new Deere P series CTL big chassis machines. Well, actually Deere is around 30 days out on the new bigger big chassis 335P machines. Hate to see the price tag on that beast.

I like the changes I see on the P series so far tho.

Sometimes they get better sometimes they get worse...

CAT is finally getting rid of the giant piece of shit Kubota engines we've been stuck with for the last generation (D). I never would have thought in a million years that I would say a Kubota product was such a piece of shit but I can't be more clear how bad they are.

 

[[486]]

Just get the oldest most clapped out cheapest skid steer you can find. That's what I'd do.

that's what I did lol
brazed up the hole in the block, got the crank ground on one journal only, ebay rod with the keystone small end while the others were square cut (odd but convenient because a little bit of skirt got knocked off a piston, so I put it next door to the missing skirt, for proper balance)
everything else on the machine shows every bit of the hour meter's 9200 reading

thinking about it, spend the extra $4k, you'll be better off, lol

 

[[486]]

^^^ this is a machine that uses the sacks drive chain cases as the hydraulic reservoir also

I can see the thinking, gets the chaincase oil hot to evaporate humidity out of it and adds a bunch of reservoir for passive cooling

 

[arse_sidewards]

that's what I did lol
brazed up the hole in the block, got the crank ground on one journal only, ebay rod with the keystone small end while the others were square cut (odd but convenient because a little bit of skirt got knocked off a piston, so I put it next door to the missing skirt, for proper balance)
everything else on the machine shows every bit of the hour meter's 9200 reading

thinking about it, spend the extra $4k, you'll be better off, lol

You'd be real pissed if you ran into that kind of shit on a $5k machine.

The $1k or sub-$1k machine owes you nothing.

 

[Landslide]

Sometimes they get better sometimes they get worse...

CAT is finally getting rid of the giant piece of shit Kubota engines we've been stuck with for the last generation (D). I never would have thought in a million years that I would say a Kubota product was such a piece of shit but I can't be more clear how bad they are.

Deere has had a relationship with Yanmar since the late 70’s. They’ve used their engines in the skid loaders from new holland except the 8875 which was the Deere 3 cylinder wet sleeved engine. Then Deere used their own engines through the C and D series machines. Whatever they changed in the D series was a bad idea as they had a bunch of engines fail in them. Then in 2013 they got smart and went back to Yanmar and still use them to today.

I know prior to cat using Kubota they used Perkins engines which they ended up owning I believe. What engines is cat going to now?

 

[Landslide]

I can see the thinking, gets the chaincase oil hot to evaporate humidity out of it and adds a bunch of reservoir for passive cooling

It wasn’t for hydraulic cooling as those older machines never used any hydraulic attachments beyond an auger or maybe a hammer.

The idea was for space saving and lubrication of the drive chains and drive axles. Problem is the drive chains were not prestressed/stretched and would wear on the sprockets. So now you have just introduced metal shavings flakes into your hydraulic oil reservoir. Yeah, crappy design.

 

[[486]]

You'd be real pissed if you ran into that kind of shit on a $5k machine.

The $1k or sub-$1k machine owes you nothing.

this was a 6500 dollar machine
I looked for two years prior to settling for that one

 

[Landslide]

You'd be real pissed if you ran into that kind of shit on a $5k machine.

The $1k or sub-$1k machine owes you nothing.

Not only are you buying a wore out used up machine for $5k you’re buying nothing but scrap metal for $1k

A fairly decent reliable skid steer loader is going to cost you $10-$15k.

 

[billybob_81067]

I have a 747 bobcat (I think that's the model) I need to work on someday. It's got some hydraulic leaks and flat tires. Runs though... Probably oughta pull it into the shop after I get the New Holland L785 out. I think we gave $6000 for the bobcat and I gave $7000 for the New Holland. I have way too many fucking projects...

 

[arse_sidewards]

Not only are you buying a wore out used up machine for $5k you’re buying nothing but scrap metal for $1k

There's a lot of garbage that just needs a lot of work for $2k +/- some. Seen a few come and go at sub $1k, all old chain drive stuff. Old as fuck backhoes are far more bang for your buck below $3k or so.

A fairly decent reliable skid steer loader is going to cost you $10-$15k.

If I were dictator you'd share the same mass grave as the "if you can't afford snow tires you shouldn't be driving" and "if you can't afford a nice gun you should carry pepper spray" people.

 

[Gunwalls_Buckthorne]

Buy anything but a Deere. They are dogshit and if anyone has anything nice to say then they are wrong.

 

[[486]]

There's a lot of garbage that just needs a lot of work for $2k +/- some. Seen a few come and go at sub $1k, all old chain drive stuff. Old as fuck backhoes are far more bang for your buck below $3k or so.



If I were dictator you'd share the same mass grave as the "if you can't afford snow tires you shouldn't be driving" and "if you can't afford a nice gun you should carry pepper spray" people.

you fucking northeast faggots and your 'below scrap price machinery of all kinds' need to shut the fuck up

 

[upside-down]

I picked up this 843 Bobcat 4 years ago .
Been using the crap out of it since .
Pretty reliable machine, and you can grab them at a fare price .
Perkins diesel last forever practically. 3400 tipping load not too bad either.

 

[speed bump]

You'd be real pissed if you ran into that kind of shit on a $5k machine.

The $1k or sub-$1k machine owes you nothing.

Ok Boomer

 

[IGT]

1845C Case for what you are looking for.
Nobody came close to that one at that time.

And I am a Cat guy with the POS Kubota engine

 

[billybob_81067]

The $1k or sub-$1k machine owes you nothing.

Not only are you buying a wore out used up machine for $5k you’re buying nothing but scrap metal for $1k

A fairly decent reliable skid steer loader is going to cost you $10-$15k.

This. You're not getting a damn thing for $1k. I've seen shit without an engine, and missing most of the parts, or burned up for more than 1k.

 

[arse_sidewards]

This. You're not getting a damn thing for $1k.

Maybe not where you live.

I've seen shit without an engine, and missing most of the parts, or burned up for more than 1k.

I've seen several old chain drive machines in need of engine go around that price. Luckily they were so low power back then that a 20hp Predator goes right in. I probable see one a year on CL. Which means there's probably another couple I don't on CL and half a dozen on FBMP. I've seen a couple that need work go around 2k. These are obviously fire sale prices though. For backhoes multiply by 2-3. Also helps that backhoes have existed for a few more decades than skid steers.

My mini-loader was $500, maybe $600. I forget. He wanted 7-8 but the engine was locked up.

People in the Midwest should be able to find similar deals.

 

[Dadnson1]

The 1845C is preferred (cummins), but are the 1845 and 1845B a huge step down? How much of a price increase would be acceptable for a C over the earlier two versions (assume all other things equal)?

I have an older 1845 with the Case engine in it. Stupid reliable but noisy and slow as mentioned above. Downside is the older machines do not have the auxiliary controls for attachments that require additional hydraulics. Can be added but expensive so if you are planning on running attachments the 1845C is a better choice.

 

[rockdog57]

Not sure about $1000 machines. Never seen one here. Not even ones that were burned up. I drove clear to Iowa to buy my little case 1818. Way more stuff in the farm country I guess. I needed a very small machine to get into tight spaces. With some tlc it’s been a good little machine. I’ve used the hell outta it.

 

[billybob_81067]

I've seen several old chain drive machines in need of engine go around that price. Luckily they were so low power back then that a 20hp Predator goes right in. I probable see one a year on CL. Which means there's probably another couple I don't on CL and half a dozen on FBMP. I've seen a couple that need work go around 2k. These are obviously fire sale prices though. For backhoes multiply by 2-3. Also helps that backhoes have existed for a few more decades than skid steers.

Size matters too. I wouldn't even look at anything unless it's a decent sized machine. Those super small skid steers wouldn't really be useful for anything I'd want it to do. Also I see people keep talking about the old chain drive machines. What the hell do the newer ones run? Gears to connect the front and rears? I've only been around older machines I guess.

My mini-loader was $500, maybe $600. I forget. He wanted 7-8 but the engine was locked up.

People in the Midwest should be able to find similar deals.

To be fair that mini loader would probably bring about the same price here, because it's really an oddball configuration that not many people would want to dick with.

 

[Landslide]

There's a lot of garbage that just needs a lot of work for $2k +/- some. Seen a few come and go at sub $1k, all old chain drive stuff. Old as fuck backhoes are far more bang for your buck below $3k or so.



If I were dictator you'd share the same mass grave as the "if you can't afford snow tires you shouldn't be driving" and "if you can't afford a nice gun you should carry pepper spray" people.

Oh kay. You knock yourself out with all those $1,000 skid steer loaders 🤪