Grendel
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Sick of Amazon shipping lies, or pretty much any retailer anymore.
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Penetrode Offroad
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arse_sidewards why you got so much hate on Toyota guys when Jeep guys are the ones who steal. 
Maybe you hate them too, idk.
Maybe you hate them too, idk.
arse_sidewards
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Don't be fooled by the name. I've learned from past interactions he's a Toyota fanboy.arse_sidewards why you got so much hate on Toyota guys when Jeep guys are the ones who steal.
BDK
Red Skull Member
Not a redneckWhat you did is theft by false pretenses, one of the many theories of liability of theft. This isn't even a close call. I've had companies ship me duplicates of items before, and I would have easily gotten away with it. But instead I called the company and let them know. Both of the times this occurred I was told to keep the item because it's more expensive to ship it back. Whatever action you choose when no one is watching and you can get away with it defines the person you actually are. I'm an asshole, among many other personality flaws, but at the end of the day I'm not a thieving rat.
Here is the jury instruction for the Penal Code section I use to prosecute people like you.
1804.Theft by False Pretense (Pen. Code, § 484)
The defendant is charged [in Count ] with [grand/petty] theft by
false pretense [in violation of Penal Code section 484].
To prove that the defendant is guilty of this crime, the People must
prove that:
1. The defendant knowingly and intentionally deceived a property
owner [or the owner’s agent] by false or fraudulent
representation or pretense;
2. The defendant did so intending to persuade the owner [or the
owner’s agent] to let the defendant [or another person] take
possession and ownership of the property;
AND
3. The owner [or the owner’s agent] let the defendant [or another
person] take possession and ownership of the property because
the owner [or the owner’s agent] relied on the representation or
pretense.
You may not find the defendant guilty of this crime unless the People
have proved that:
[A. The false pretense was accompanied by either a false writing or
false token(;/.)]
[OR]
[(A/B). There was a note or memorandum of the pretense signed or
handwritten by the defendant(;/.)]
[OR]
[(A/B/C). Testimony from two witnesses or testimony from a single
witness along with other evidence supports the conclusion that the
defendant made the pretense.]
[Property includes money, labor, and real or personal property.]
Afalse pretense is any act, word, symbol, or token the purpose of which
is to deceive.
[Someone makes a false pretense if, intending to deceive, he or she does
[one or more of] the following:
[1. Gives information he or she knows is false(./;)]
[OR
2. Makes a misrepresentation recklessly without information that
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justifies a reasonable belief in its truth(./;)]
[OR
3. Does not give information when he or she has an obligation to do
so(./;)]
[OR
4. Makes a promise not intending to do what he or she promises.]]
[Proof that the representation or pretense was false is not enough by
itself to prove that the defendant intended to deceive.]
[Proof that the defendant did not perform as promised is not enough by
itself to prove that the defendant did not intend to perform as promised.]
[A false token is a document or object that is not authentic, but appears
to be, and is used to deceive.]
[For petty theft, the property taken can be of any value, no matter how
slight.]
[An owner [or an owner’s agent] relies on false pretense, if the falsehood
is an important part of the reason the owner [or agent] decides to give
up the property. The false pretense must be an important factor, but it
does not have to be the only factor the owner [or agent] considers in
making the decision. [If the owner [or agent] gives up property some
time after the pretense is made, the owner [or agent] must do so because
he or she relies on the pretense.]]
[An agent is someone to whom the owner has given complete or partial
authority and control over the owner’s property.
LOL, no. He was a scrawny little punk who knew the right phrases to search in Google. Then one day he shot his mouth off at the guys at LaRue Tactical at a show, got demolished by them, created a problem for Renee (since it was her site and her money as soon as Lance put a ring on it,) and she cut off his nuts.
Which was the end of P being the site to go to for retribution, ultimately evidenced by all the girls of P talking shit about some photographer chick like the fat girls in the middle school cafeteria bitching about the popular cheerleader who gets all the attention. When they asked for help trying to find information about her, Chris promptly told them to fuck off.
And wvjeepgay is still a thief.
wvjeepguy81
Active member
Cool. Do you think Amazon has it in their records from over 2 years ago?What you did is theft by false pretenses, one of the many theories of liability of theft. This isn't even a close call. I've had companies ship me duplicates of items before, and I would have easily gotten away with it. But instead I called the company and let them know. Both of the times this occurred I was told to keep the item because it's more expensive to ship it back. Whatever action you choose when no one is watching and you can get away with it defines the person you actually are. I'm an asshole, among many other personality flaws, but at the end of the day I'm not a thieving rat.
Here is the jury instruction for the Penal Code section I use to prosecute people like you.
1804.Theft by False Pretense (Pen. Code, § 484)
The defendant is charged [in Count ] with [grand/petty] theft by
false pretense [in violation of Penal Code section 484].
To prove that the defendant is guilty of this crime, the People must
prove that:
1. The defendant knowingly and intentionally deceived a property
owner [or the owner’s agent] by false or fraudulent
representation or pretense;
2. The defendant did so intending to persuade the owner [or the
owner’s agent] to let the defendant [or another person] take
possession and ownership of the property;
AND
3. The owner [or the owner’s agent] let the defendant [or another
person] take possession and ownership of the property because
the owner [or the owner’s agent] relied on the representation or
pretense.
You may not find the defendant guilty of this crime unless the People
have proved that:
[A. The false pretense was accompanied by either a false writing or
false token(;/.)]
[OR]
[(A/B). There was a note or memorandum of the pretense signed or
handwritten by the defendant(;/.)]
[OR]
[(A/B/C). Testimony from two witnesses or testimony from a single
witness along with other evidence supports the conclusion that the
defendant made the pretense.]
[Property includes money, labor, and real or personal property.]
Afalse pretense is any act, word, symbol, or token the purpose of which
is to deceive.
[Someone makes a false pretense if, intending to deceive, he or she does
[one or more of] the following:
[1. Gives information he or she knows is false(./;)]
[OR
2. Makes a misrepresentation recklessly without information that
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justifies a reasonable belief in its truth(./;)]
[OR
3. Does not give information when he or she has an obligation to do
so(./;)]
[OR
4. Makes a promise not intending to do what he or she promises.]]
[Proof that the representation or pretense was false is not enough by
itself to prove that the defendant intended to deceive.]
[Proof that the defendant did not perform as promised is not enough by
itself to prove that the defendant did not intend to perform as promised.]
[A false token is a document or object that is not authentic, but appears
to be, and is used to deceive.]
[For petty theft, the property taken can be of any value, no matter how
slight.]
[An owner [or an owner’s agent] relies on false pretense, if the falsehood
is an important part of the reason the owner [or agent] decides to give
up the property. The false pretense must be an important factor, but it
does not have to be the only factor the owner [or agent] considers in
making the decision. [If the owner [or agent] gives up property some
time after the pretense is made, the owner [or agent] must do so because
he or she relies on the pretense.]]
[An agent is someone to whom the owner has given complete or partial
authority and control over the owner’s property.
According to my account data, there wasn't even a refund.
Guess you or your buddies just have to come after me.
wvjeepguy81
Active member
But you're all anonymous internet nobodies. Who cares?
crispins
FJB
I've met over 2 dozen people from this board.
Not as anonymous as you think.
You have bad morals dude, you should just admit that.
wvjeepguy81
Active member
Morals are subjective. I personally find many people on this forum to be morally reprehensible for a multitude of reasons.
You're right - given your approach to life, nobody here will ever care about you. Well, except to think you're a piece of shit and, if that troubles them personally, their priorities are skewed. In my world, only decent people matter.
And before you offer to fight me or say I'm living rent-free in your head, allow me to restate: there is no emotional component to calling you a piece of shit. That's just a straight-up ethical assessment.
And if you weren't an admitted piece of shit, your opinion might count for something.
wvjeepguy81
Active member
Damn, you finally got me.
Multiple pages of me troll-baiting you idiots along and you finally did it.
Backpedal of the damned...step 1.
"Sike, I was just fucking with you guys...lol".
Thief.
Ksand
Red Skull Member
By that logic, anyone can steal from you as long as their bank account is smaller than yours
Snoop dogg
Saturday Night Special
You're not a troll you just a shitty person.
Can you explain how theft is a subjective moral, while staying on the topic of theft? I don't need your college classroom tangent on our carbon footprint and how that makes me a bad person morally and therefore morals are subjective. Not all morals are subjective and not all are objective. Theft is pretty black and white...I just want to hear your thoughts on theft and theft only and how that is subjective. Are you capable of staying on that topic and that topic only?
Grendel
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Then why are you here?
wvjeepguy81
Active member
What a horrible game.Can someone change the thieving hillbilly's avatar to this?
Can I have this instead?
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wvjeepguy81
Active member
Too much fun trolling you ragelord boomer idiots.
Seriously, if you guys weren't completely internate-illiterate, you would have just blocked me two days ago.
....Or just maybe you're addicted to outrage.
dntsdad
Central California
You are a pretty pathetic man at 42 to act like a 15 year old like this.
Jeez, and you have kids? I guess West Virginy gonna West Virginy.
Like I said, I wish some of the old "rednecks" were are to show you who Wenzle is........just for fun because you're just a dick on top of it all.
You're delusional, jerkoff
There's no "outrage" required to call you out as a piece of shit. It's what decent people do so folks better than you can see your existence as an example of how to be a shit human being. Does it make you feel "edgy" to think you're enraging folks? Are you hoping for someone to block you so you have more street cred with your basement-dwelling hoodrat peers?
TL/DR= You're a thief, a liar, a worthless piece of shit, and a self-important pissant.
EDIT: with all due respect
trampas
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ConwayMuddy
Dis member
I'll jump on the bandwagon of calling you a piece of shit thief and liar. Accept it, it's what you are. Last summer I ordered some stuff from a small online waterfowl store. In addition to what I ordered, 40 full body goose decoys showed up, about $1000.00 worth, all addressed to me, same order number. Called and talked to customer service, the same guy that owns the company. Explained what was happening and he couldn't figure out how it happened. I had to open a box to figure out who they rightfully belonged to. Said to leave them outside and he'd send ups to pick them up. Some guy got his decoys, and a company didn't lose a bunch of money.
Cliffs: your a shitty human
Grendel
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Mikenike
Pissing off the internet
Careful now their mom is his sister.
It quit being the site for retribution when some guy with a username of BrownJay or something like that ripped off a guy in Canada and after I delivered a note to his door LE was obliquely brought in on the scumbags side and also Roxy and some shop with a cool kid mechanic knew the BrownJ asshole and dampened the whole thing down. It was BS and justice was denied.
BDK
Red Skull Member
Can't even come up with the right words to say how stupid you are.
Then get the fuck out already.
What complete pieces of shit we must be to be considered reprehensible by a common lowlife thief. Kind of makes you proud, don't it?
Just remember, once a thief, always a thief.
arse_sidewards
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You lefties don't get it. We don't block people except in the most extreme cases of annoyance.
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