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Splib said:
This is the Ukraine thread right ? We learned surprisingly a while ago that Russian gas, methane, was being pumped across Ukraine from Russia to the EU even as the war raged in. Is this still true ? :confused:
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I would imagine that is the case the conglomerate is now based in the us though. Lol
 
While the Trump trial was on every Western country agreed to let Ukraine hit targets inside Russia. 2 Russian early warning radar systems way away from the front were hit with drones. Putin addressed this by telling the West to cool its heels. Now apparently Biden has approved letting Ukraine hit targets in Russia. Putin also pointed out that Ukraine doesn't have the means to uses these systems so they are manned by the West. West should put the brakes on.
 
Redrider said:
While the Trump trial was on every Western country agreed to let Ukraine hit targets inside Russia. 2 Russian early warning radar systems way away from the front were hit with drones. Putin addressed this by telling the West to cool its heels. Now apparently Biden has approved letting Ukraine hit targets in Russia. Putin also pointed out that Ukraine doesn't have the means to uses these systems so they are manned by the West. West should put the brakes on.
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Clearly this is Trumps fault as well lol.
Buckle up....things are going to get a bit wiry.
 
Redrider said:
While the Trump trial was on every Western country agreed to let Ukraine hit targets inside Russia. 2 Russian early warning radar systems way away from the front were hit with drones. Putin addressed this by telling the West to cool its heels. Now apparently Biden has approved letting Ukraine hit targets in Russia. Putin also pointed out that Ukraine doesn't have the means to uses these systems so they are manned by the West. West should put the brakes on.
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Maybe Putin should back his ass up then. Mixed all the way around but when a bully picking on the little retard kid and a bigger kid then the bully shows up, Bully doesn't get to say nothing other than sorry. And I get it that's not an exact of the situation, just what popped into mind with Putin comments.
 
Splib said:
This is the Ukraine thread right ? We learned surprisingly a while ago that Russian gas, methane, was being pumped across Ukraine from Russia to the EU even as the war raged in. Is this still true ? :confused:
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Well. Not diiireeectlyyy... But yea. It's just that everyone's electricity rates have DOUBLED because "THERES NO MORE GAS".

It's getting kind of unfunny. Stupid internet. Things are just a bit TOOOOO transparent for the people in power.
 
rockota said:
Looks like 46 signed us up for 10 years...

And here I thought only Congress could authorize a treaty...

www.theblaze.com

Biden signs 10-year defense pact with Ukraine, greasing its path to NATO membership | Blaze Media

The agreement says Ukraine is on its way to joining NATO, which would upgrade America's proxy war into a direct confrontation with Russia per Article 5.
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I mean we are basically defending them now, what more does article 5 really do? Technically Ukraine attacked a NATO country when they did that poorly executed false flag into Poland and we only have them more arms and money, we should have attacked their ass.

Fucking stupid and seemingly in turbo mode on our way to a nuclear exchange led by unelected officials calling the shots like fuck face Blinken.
 
UKR has been a clearinghouse for a LOT of questionable shit for a long time (let's be honest, PoataJoe's son on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, for example). so there is assuredly much that the West (others?) does not tumbling out of that closet, as well.
 
All of the G7 leaders did the 10 year pack bs. Their parties also took a beating. Most of them won’t be around. The EU appoints people into those positions so the war goes on. EU is doing a good job destroying economies along with potato head.
 
Redrider said:
While the Trump trial was on every Western country agreed to let Ukraine hit targets inside Russia. 2 Russian early warning radar systems way away from the front were hit with drones. Putin addressed this by telling the West to cool its heels. Now apparently Biden has approved letting Ukraine hit targets in Russia. Putin also pointed out that Ukraine doesn't have the means to uses these systems so they are manned by the West. West should put the brakes on.
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Why shouldn't ukrain hit Russian targets in Russia?

You can't punch the nerdy kid and get pissed off when he gives you a black eye.


That being said, it's not of our business. But war is war.
 
MuntCuffin said:
Why shouldn't ukrain hit Russian targets in Russia?

You can't punch the nerdy kid and get pissed off when he gives you a black eye.


That being said, it's not of our business. But war is war.
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I think it boils down to us supplying not only said weapons but the manpower to fire said weapons while still claiming to not be fighting in the war.
 
MuntCuffin said:
Why shouldn't ukrain hit Russian targets in Russia?

You can't punch the nerdy kid and get pissed off when he gives you a black eye.


That being said, it's not of our business. But war is war.
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You're missing the point. The nerd uses his friends (NATO) to push you. You pop the nerd in the eye. His friends start giving him weapons and now the friends themselves are using the weapons on you.

Do you continue to just pummel the nerd or do you take a few shots at his friends too?
 
Thumping said:
You're missing the point. The nerd uses his friends (NATO) to push you. You pop the nerd in the eye. His friends start giving him weapons and now the friends themselves are using the weapons on you.

Do you continue to just pummel the nerd or do you take a few shots at his friends too?
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Fair points, if thats what has happened. Do you have reccomendations for documentaries/explanations as to what led up to invasion from the Russian perspective?
Of course you know that western media would like us to believe it was totally unprovoked and random.

Either way, its still not our problem and we, nor our money belong there. And its odd that no matter which "side" you belong too, its universally agreed upon that Ukraine was a corruption playground for western elites.

I don't doubt Russia suffers from the same corruption, though.
 
MuntCuffin said:
Why shouldn't ukrain hit Russian targets in Russia?

You can't punch the nerdy kid and get pissed off when he gives you a black eye.


That being said, it's not of our business. But war is war.
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Because their war effort is entirely dependent on outside aid. Really it's dependent on OUR aid. And if we had semi-sane political leadership we wouldn't be involved in this shit at all. Using weapons provided by us to strike Russia soil should be an absolute red line for us but Biden has stated numerous red lines and has continually moved every single one of them as time goes on. Psychos like Lindsey Graham would've already brought the world to an end numerous times. Fuck playing world police. We just need to mind our own fucking business. If we had this war probably never happens to begin with to be honest.
 
MuntCuffin said:
Fair points, if thats what has happened. Do you have reccomendations for documentaries/explanations as to what led up to invasion from the Russian perspective?
Of course you know that western media would like us to believe it was totally unprovoked and random.

Either way, its still not our problem and we, nor our money belong there. And its odd that no matter which "side" you belong too, its universally agreed upon that Ukraine was a corruption playground for western elites.

I don't doubt Russia suffers from the same corruption, though.
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MuntCuffin said:
Fair points, if thats what has happened. Do you have reccomendations for documentaries/explanations as to what led up to invasion from the Russian perspective?
Of course you know that western media would like us to believe it was totally unprovoked and random.

Either way, its still not our problem and we, nor our money belong there. And its odd that no matter which "side" you belong too, its universally agreed upon that Ukraine was a corruption playground for western elites.

I don't doubt Russia suffers from the same corruption, though.
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It was agreed upon many years ago that NATO would not move closer to Russia's border. That agreement continued to be broken up to the point that NATO was going to accept Ukraine into NATO. Puttin wasn't having it.

East Beast beat me to the vid....:laughing:
 
MuntCuffin said:
Fair points, if thats what has happened. Do you have reccomendations for documentaries/explanations as to what led up to invasion from the Russian perspective?
Of course you know that western media would like us to believe it was totally unprovoked and random.

Either way, its still not our problem and we, nor our money belong there. And its odd that no matter which "side" you belong too, its universally agreed upon that Ukraine was a corruption playground for western elites.

I don't doubt Russia suffers from the same corruption, though.
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Look up the vice news series on YouTube called "Russian roulette". It's a boots on the ground perspective of the annexation of crimea and beyond as it happened. Pretty interesting stuff. The series was filmed 10yrs ago, and is like 111 episodes but puts a real interesting perspective especially now. I watched a lot of it while I was unemployed during COVID and have started to rewatch it again. The reporter has some massive balls. The part where they inbed themselves with the azov battalion was quite interesting to say the least, and they also show the Russian side of it as well.

I mean say what you want about vice news, that series is pretty good and shows both sides with an actual journalist doing old school journalist stuff.
 
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87manche said:
It's actually a law passed by Congress that f22 cannot be exported.
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Knew there was something about congress. Plus they just pulled the funding from the nect gen air dominance project to fund f22 upgrades. In short she aint going nowhere.
 
Ditchrunner said:
That’s great and all, but Joe’s peeps aren’t above giving Congress the bird. Again.
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This would be a little different. And again the air force is 100% not allowing that. Even before congress. The whole point of giving ukraine weapons is to give them our old stuff that costs money to store and mantain and buy new while seeing how our old tech performs against russias "modern" stuff. Basically a way of seeing what would have happened in a cold war gone hot with zero risk to actually valuable or strategic equipment.
 
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