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Provience said:
So....how goes the war?

Seems like Russia has been doing fine consolidating their gains for the past few months and just hanging out supporting the Eastern sovereign regions or am I way off base.

Haven't really heard shit about the lines moving
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It was going to take a miracle for Russia to lose and miracles don't happen very often.
 
Mikel said:
As annoying as the man is, it's his job to say/do ANYTHING that will get him support in his defense against an invader. Lie, beg, steal...

Do you think Churchill didn't do those things?
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I think Churchill was actually in england during the war. Have we forgotten how like 3 different ambassadors when evacuating their embassies said Zelinsky hasnt been in country for months.
 
So, what does America's desired end-state of this situation look like?

Russia completely marginalized, Putin dead, Army leaders like chieftains?

Russia so badly beaten, Putin decides nukes are a viable option?

European markets ignoring cheap Russian oil in favor of American oil?


What is America's optimum outcome in this war?
 
Mikel said:
As annoying as the man is, it's his job to say/do ANYTHING that will get him support in his defense against an invader. Lie, beg, steal...

Do you think Churchill didn't do those things?
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I really hope your not comparing Zelenski with Churchhill, Churchill didn't jail his political enemies, Churchill didn't support a Nazi battalion, Churchill didn't shut down religious institutions, and I can go on and on with why Ukraine is NOT a Democracy and should not be compared to it.




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Pt_Ranger_v8 said:
America doesn't equal all of the corporate enterprise you mentioned.


Their enf goal is obviousl - money and power.
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We wouldn't be over there if the Puppet Masters didn't have interests in Ukraine.

There is nothing about the situation in Ukraine that the vast majority of Americans should even care about, nor would care about if the mind programming devices in their homes didn't program them to care.

There is no American interest there, only global elitists' interests. There is a reason they had their puppet George Soros put Zelenski in power over there in the first place and that reason still remains hidden even while they risk WWIII to protect it.
 
Redrider said:
One point in Putins speech over looked was that he will finance the war and not print money to do it. The west printers are going full steam.
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This. Remember one of the Big reasons Russia “lost” the cold war. We had a steonger economy and were able to out develop them military and info structure wise. Seems out communist leaders didn’t learn, or did (my thoughts), and are tring the 70’s and 80’s Russia play book. They know what they are doing. A country is not strong if it has no economy. A weak economic country can be seen as in need of help internationally. Send in the Blue Helmets!
 
Yota Up said:
That little man has a big mouth.
I really wish Putin would hurry up and kick their ass already.
www.breitbart.com

Zelensky: America Will 'Lose NATO' if it Pulls Military Support from Ukraine

"If they do not change their opinion... they will lose NATO" and "the leadership position in the world," Zelesnky said of U.S. war sceptics.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
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lose nato?

it's funded with our fucking money. I'd be glad to lose the financial responsibility of ensuring the safety of europe.

The volume of US defence expenditure represents approximately two thirds of the defence spending of the Alliance as a whole.
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In space, Russia and the U.S. are still friends (for now)
Early this week, while Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Biden traded less than flattering jabs at one another over the war in Ukraine — NASA and its Russian counterpart, Roscosmos, were collaborating on a rescue mission for three crew members stranded aboard the International Space Station. U.S. astronaut Frank Rubio and cosmonauts Dmitry Petelin and Sergey Prokopyev were originally scheduled to return to Earth in the same Russian Soyuz MS-22 capsule they rode up in five months ago. However, a microscopic leak in MS-22’s cooling system, believed to have been caused by a tiny meteorite impact, put the kibosh on those plans.

Desperate for a solution, after some rearranging of the Roscosmos launch calendar, the Soyuz MS-23 “lifeboat” was launched on Thursday to provide a replacement return capsule. If all goes well, Rubio, Petelin and Prokopyev will splash down sometime in March.

However, things still aren’t exactly hunky-dory when it comes to U.S.-Russia relations aboard the ISS, with Russians still set to exit the program by the end of next year.
 
CJF said:
In space, Russia and the U.S. are still friends (for now)
Early this week, while Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Biden traded less than flattering jabs at one another over the war in Ukraine — NASA and its Russian counterpart, Roscosmos, were collaborating on a rescue mission for three crew members stranded aboard the International Space Station. U.S. astronaut Frank Rubio and cosmonauts Dmitry Petelin and Sergey Prokopyev were originally scheduled to return to Earth in the same Russian Soyuz MS-22 capsule they rode up in five months ago. However, a microscopic leak in MS-22’s cooling system, believed to have been caused by a tiny meteorite impact, put the kibosh on those plans.

Desperate for a solution, after some rearranging of the Roscosmos launch calendar, the Soyuz MS-23 “lifeboat” was launched on Thursday to provide a replacement return capsule. If all goes well, Rubio, Petelin and Prokopyev will splash down sometime in March.

However, things still aren’t exactly hunky-dory when it comes to U.S.-Russia relations aboard the ISS, with Russians still set to exit the program by the end of next year.
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So glad Obama canceled our national space program. How long till SpaceX can dock at the space station.
 
Trying to learn some more on the whys and cause/effects of this. Worth a read:

claremontreviewofbooks.com

Why Are We in Ukraine? - Claremont Review of Books

A steep bill comes due for decades of democracy promotion.
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Build-up:

2014.

That was a hinge year. Ukrainian diplomats had been negotiating an “association agreement” with the European Union that would have created closer trade relations. Russia outbid the E.U. with its own deal, which included $15 billion in incentives for Ukraine. President Viktor Yanukovych signed it. Protests, backed by the United States, broke out in Kiev’s main square, the Maidan, and in cities across the country. By then the U.S. had spent $5 billion to influence Ukraine’s politics, according to a 2013 speech by State Department official Victoria Nuland. Russia now viewed this activity as having funded subversion and revolt. Like every Ukrainian government since the end of the Cold War, Yanukovych’s government was corrupt. Unlike many of them it was legitimately elected. When shootings near the Maidan in Kiev left dozens of protesters dead, Yanukovych fled the country, and the United States played a central role in setting up a successor government.
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Economic:

What is new and reckless about these American sanctions is the threat they pose not to Russia but to the United States. The Biden Administration has been abusing—and thus undermining—the American position as custodian of the global economy.

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Once its dollar reserves were seized and it was cut off from all means of transferring money and paying its debts in dollars, Russia asked for payment in rubles from the countries to which it exports gas. European members of the G7—the club of the richest Western democracies—called the request “unacceptable,” and a “weaponization” of energy resources. But how can a business accept payment in a currency it is not allowed to spend? Europe quickly, if quietly, agreed. The people who make U.S. Ukraine policy were apparently incapable of thinking things through to this point. Rather than beg its way back into the U.S.-led global financial order, the Russians are trying to build a new one with new partners.
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Thefishguy77 said:
I think Churchill was actually in england during the war. Have we forgotten how like 3 different ambassadors when evacuating their embassies said Zelinsky hasnt been in country for months.
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Well he was there a few days ago . . . . Maybe this was staged like the moon landing.


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MChat said:
We wouldn't be over there if the Puppet Masters didn't have interests in Ukraine.

There is nothing about the situation in Ukraine that the vast majority of Americans should even care about, nor would care about if the mind programming devices in their homes didn't program them to care.

There is no American interest there, only global elitists' interests. There is a reason they had their puppet George Soros put Zelenski in power over there in the first place and that reason still remains hidden even while they risk WWIII to protect it.
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Not saying you don't have a point, but I think you ascribe a little too much forethought, planning, and malice to a group of people who have little desire to share thier influence.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
So glad Obama canceled our national space program. How long till SpaceX can dock at the space station.
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Don't forget...he gave NASA a new mission....

To improve U.S. and Muslim relationships :mad3:

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Obama’s new mission for NASA: Reach out to Muslim world

In a far-reaching restatement of goals for the nation’s space agency, NASA administrator Charles Bolden says President Obama has ordered him to pursue three new objectives: to “re-inspire children” to study science and math, to “expand our international relationships,” and to “reach out to the…
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

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I absolutely chose what I want to believe. So does everyone including you. :flipoff2: Biden met with Zelensky in Ukraine, and although it may amaze some people here. there are photos and live video of that event. That is all. I don't keep a trove of pics or links to bullshit conspiracies, but I take a shit when I see one.
 
Splib said:
I absolutely chose what I want to believe. So does everyone including you. :flipoff2: Biden met with Zelensky in Ukraine, and although it may amaze some people here. there are photos and live video of that event. That is all. I don't keep a trove of pics or links to bullshit conspiracies, but I take a shit when I see one.
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I just showed you a link to a live CNN broadcast the other day. Doesnt mean its real. But we expect some crazy from you so carry on. And I’m not saying he wasn’t there. I am saying more than one ambassador when evacuating said Zelinsky left months before they did.
 
You illustrate exactly why I posted. You insinuate, you advertise that Zelensky hasnt been seen in months. Then in the next mouth full, you say "I never said he wasnt there. " So yeah, expect more crazy shit from me but I will hold you to your word and keep you honest. If Zelensky left then . . . . . you left that wide open to bullshit speculation, which is how you posted it and why I called it. Virtually every network in the entire world has video of Zelensky with Biden in Ukraine, not just your glory child CNN. Thats why your post makes people cringe.
 
Splib said:
You illustrate exactly why I posted. You insinuate, you advertise that Zelensky hasnt been seen in months. Then in the next mouth full, you say "I never said he wasnt there. " So yeah, expect more crazy shit from me but I will hold you to your word and keep you honest. If Zelensky left then . . . . . you left that wide open to bullshit speculation, which is how you posted it and why I called it. Virtually every network in the entire world has video of Zelensky with Biden in Ukraine, not just your glory child CNN. Thats why your post makes people cringe.
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I said people representing their country on an international levels said he left months before they did. Do you or do you not agree with what I said.

Eta if you want to talk about cringe worthy go read your posts in the first 40 pages of the covid/vax failure thread. That’s truly cringe worthy. :lmao:
 
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Thefishguy77 said:
So glad Obama canceled our national space program. How long till SpaceX can dock at the space station.
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Dude, Spacex Crew 6 was going up tonight, they had a hold.

How many people have they launched to the ISS?

And many more resupply missions.


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87manche said:
lose nato?

it's funded with our fucking money. I'd be glad to lose the financial responsibility of ensuring the safety of europe.
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And Russia, looking at Europe, said "O, you don't want cheap energy? Sanctions? See you later."


Like I said Russia won this war 8 months ago, it was economic, and showed how weak Europe was.

They called the bluff, and won. Europe is re-organizing behind the scenes. Germany is calling the shots. They're not happy with the US right now.
 
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