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87manche said:
we would have bombed them into the stone age before we ever committed ground forces, and then we would have supported those ground forces with CAS and even more strategic bombing.
Russia has never had air supremacy in mind with their air force, just air defense.
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werd
ain't their air units pretty much totally disconnected from their ground forces to the point that they have a lot of friendly fire incidents
87manche said:
The question was, how much does one cost, and the statement was look at how well it works.
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probably less than ten KAMAZ trucks

but you know, whatever, just like the javelins getting used on shit that costs a tenth what they do
the finnish solution just doesn't have quite the flashy technology pizazz to it...
 
[486] said:
werd
ain't their air units pretty much totally disconnected from their ground forces to the point that they have a lot of friendly fire incidents
probably less than ten KAMAZ trucks

but you know, whatever, just like the javelins getting used on shit that costs a tenth what they do
the finnish solution just doesn't have quite the flashy technology pizazz to it...
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what do you care how much it costs to blow up a truck when it's not any of your money? If I was some boot on the ground and somebody gave me some fancy ass rocket launcher I'd be popping off with it whenever the opportunity presented itself.
 
87manche said:
what do you care how much it costs to blow up a truck when it's not any of your money? If I was some boot on the ground and somebody gave me some fancy ass rocket launcher I'd be popping off with it whenever the opportunity presented itself.
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The cost of the truck itself isn't what really matters. By destroying that truck and many others you degrade the enemy's ability to resupply.
 
87manche said:
what do you care how much it costs to blow up a truck when it's not any of your money? If I was some boot on the ground and somebody gave me some fancy ass rocket launcher I'd be popping off with it whenever the opportunity presented itself.
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exactly
I wouldn't be sticking those big yellow anti-tank mines everywhere either if someone was handing me all sorts of fancy boom.

But, if it is a choice between ten thousand mines and one rocket, well...
 
[486] said:
exactly
I wouldn't be sticking those big yellow anti-tank mines everywhere either if someone was handing me all sorts of fancy boom.

But, if it is a choice between ten thousand mines and one rocket, well...
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shit, we gave them the himars rockets that deploy anti vehicle mines from the air.

only cost you 100K+ to drop 7 mines on a road from miles away. I think they hold seven mines.
 
87manche said:
the HIMARS vehicle themselves cost like $3 million a pop.

I want to know what the cost for a rocket is when ukraine kicks a half a dozen off them off at some trucks that cost russia 10K.

best estimates I've seen online are anywhere from 100 to 200K per, which means every time you see the video of a himars firing it's anywhere from 600K to 1.2 million dollars up in literally smoke.



en.defence-ua.com

How Much GMLRS Missiles for HIMARS Cost: New Massive Contract with Finland Tells | Defense Express

Data regarding the contract on GMLRS missiles once again proves that wielding such weapons is extremely expensive
en.defence-ua.com en.defence-ua.com


oh, and apparently we're coming to the realization that giving them al the artillery shells is a bad idea.
www.cnn.com

US is running low on some weapons and ammunition to transfer to Ukraine | CNN Politics

As the first full winter of Russia's war with Ukraine sets in, the US is running low on some high-end weapons systems and ammunition available to transfer to Kyiv, three US officials with direct knowledge tell CNN.
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but it's OK, we're just going to spend some more money
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Looks like we are buying 100K of the 155 shells from Korea. LOL Thats Russias 2 days worth of firing. I read somewhere that theres only 2 plants in north America that makes the 155 and the capacity together is 30k a month. Trying to supply a war with no putz.
 
Redrider said:
Looks like we are buying 100K of the 155 shells from Korea. LOL Thats Russias 2 days worth of firing. I read somewhere that theres only 2 plants in north America that makes the 155 and the capacity together is 30k a month. Trying to supply a war with no putz.
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I've seen rumors that ukraine is consuming 180K 155 shells a month.

We've already sent them 900K or so according to the last number I saw from the gubbermint.


I really hope someone in the pentagon stands up and says no more before we hamper our own strategic reserves.

oh, and I just saw photos of the UK now delivering Brimstone 2 missiles.
something like a quarter million pound sterling a pop.
 
87manche said:
I've seen rumors that ukraine is consuming 180K 155 shells a month.

We've already sent them 900K or so according to the last number I saw from the gubbermint.


I really hope someone in the pentagon stands up and says no more before we hamper our own strategic reserves.

oh, and I just saw photos of the UK now delivering Brimstone 2 missiles.
something like a quarter million pound sterling a pop.
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Buddy of mine I wheel with is an Engineering manager at one of those defense plant making some kind of rockets. Besides supply chain issues its la la la. No one at the top want to go into full bore manufacturing. Guess theres a big cost to that. Defense industry is indeed making a killing as is.
 
Redrider said:
Buddy of mine I wheel with is an Engineering manager at one of those defense plant making some kind of rockets. Besides supply chain issues its la la la. No one at the top want to go into full bore manufacturing. Guess theres a big cost to that. Defense industry is indeed making a killing as is.
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I wouldn't want to do it either unless I had guaranteed contracts.

edit: raytheon stock up 10% today.
 
87manche said:
shit, we gave them the himars rockets that deploy anti vehicle mines from the air.

only cost you 100K+ to drop 7 mines on a road from miles away. I think they hold seven mines.
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hahahahahahahahahaha

fucking hell
man in the 1500s: "has killing people gotten too easy with this new handgonne and cross-bow?"
man in the 1800s: "has killing people gotten too easy with this new dynamite?"
man in the 1910s: "has killing people gotten too easy with these new applications for gasses?"
man in the 1980s: "whoo, I can drop a pitiful amount of mines on filthy foreigners with the push of a button, they won't even be camouflaged or anything, wanna try it?!"
 
Further down this artillery equipment rabbit hole.

eurasiantimes.com

Ukraine’s German-Supplied PZH-2000 Howitzers Are ‘Breaking Down’ In War Against Russia; Report Says Facing ‘Unexpected Problems’

PZH-2000: German self-propelled howitzers are used by Ukraine in the war against Russia, but troops are struggling to maintain them
eurasiantimes.com eurasiantimes.com

No copypasta cause I'm shitting on my phone, but 300 rounds a day reported through the German equipment and it's all breaking and since Germany has starved it's army for two decades they got no parts.
 
87manche said:
Further down this artillery equipment rabbit hole.

eurasiantimes.com

Ukraine’s German-Supplied PZH-2000 Howitzers Are ‘Breaking Down’ In War Against Russia; Report Says Facing ‘Unexpected Problems’

PZH-2000: German self-propelled howitzers are used by Ukraine in the war against Russia, but troops are struggling to maintain them
eurasiantimes.com eurasiantimes.com

No copypasta cause I'm shitting on my phone, but 300 rounds a day reported through the German equipment and it's all breaking and since Germany has starved it's army for two decades they got no parts.
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Yeah that stuff wears out.

Just gets less good, so fine for what they are doing for a long time. Anything errant is blamed on Russia or wouldn't have happened without Russia, so they are covered.

Probably why Russia was saying no mobilization round 2 per al Jazeera. Let em wear out some new toys until later in winter when everything freezes up
 
87manche said:
Further down this artillery equipment rabbit hole.

eurasiantimes.com

Ukraine’s German-Supplied PZH-2000 Howitzers Are ‘Breaking Down’ In War Against Russia; Report Says Facing ‘Unexpected Problems’

PZH-2000: German self-propelled howitzers are used by Ukraine in the war against Russia, but troops are struggling to maintain them
eurasiantimes.com eurasiantimes.com

No copypasta cause I'm shitting on my phone, but 300 rounds a day reported through the German equipment and it's all breaking and since Germany has starved it's army for two decades they got no parts.
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Me thinks Ukraine is have an overall maintenance problem. All their facilities for repair have been taken out. Poland had a building near the border where they were going to take the vehicles but the R&R is messed also now so thats out. You need some place for the heavy maintenance repair and they have none. With all the different types of heavy armor showing up, guess logistics for parts is a real problem. Doesnt help when old junk stuff is sent also.
 
Provience said:
Yeah that stuff wears out.

Just gets less good, so fine for what they are doing for a long time. Anything errant is blamed on Russia or wouldn't have happened without Russia, so they are covered.

Probably why Russia was saying no mobilization round 2 per al Jazeera. Let em wear out some new toys until later in winter when everything freezes up
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well it seems more than a couple of germany's fancy self propelled guns is broken and out of service. I'm assuming chassis/drivetrain parts problems not weapons system problems. Transporting them to lithuania for maintenance sure as shit isn't ideal.

Redrider said:
Me thinks Ukraine is have an overall maintenance problem. All their facilities for repair have been taken out. Poland had a building near the border where they were going to take the vehicles but the R&R is messed also now so thats out. You need some place for the heavy maintenance repair and they have none. With all the different types of heavy armor showing up, guess logistics for parts is a real problem. Doesnt help when old junk stuff is sent also.
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you can't just give them western equipment and expect them to be able to maintain it.
that'd be like giving me a vintage ferrarri and telling me to drive across the country. The fuck I know about an old ferrari? I ain't gonna make it.
 
Dang, where have I read about German equipment being overly complex to operate and repair while Russian equipment can be fixed with a hammer operated by a farm boy. I know I've heard about this very problem in some other conflict between the Germans and the Russians, if only I could remember.:flipoff2:
 
AP fires reporter for incorrect information on the missile strike in Poland. LOL he didt have enough anonymous sources.
nypost.com

Associated Press fires reporter over retracted Russian missiles story: report

The Associated Press has fired the journalist who published a story that Russian missiles crossed into Poland after it was revealed that Ukraine likely fired the projectiles, according to a report.
nypost.com nypost.com
 
Another 4.5 billion dollar payout to Ukraine today. :shaking:
 
Garbage "journalism".

" The problem is the Biden administration is charging the Europeans four times as much as U.S. consumers pay for the same gas."

Really ?

Biden is doing this ?
 
Splib said:
Garbage "journalism".

" The problem is the Biden administration is charging the Europeans four times as much as U.S. consumers pay for the same gas."

Really ?

Biden is doing this ?
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Well obviously the other countries in the EU seem to think that the Political Org in charge profits from natural resources. :laughing: Might just be tipping their hand as to what most leadership consists of in the rest of the world.

And HELL yes the Biden admin made all of this possible. Maybe not from price gouging, but definitely from policies and meddling in a foreign Government- a la Ukraine. The Obama/ Biden administrations created this shitfest.
 
Russia drafting a decree banning oil sales to any country setting a price cap on their oil?


And next Monday the US is imposing a price cap….


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Splib said:
Garbage "journalism".

" The problem is the Biden administration is charging the Europeans four times as much as U.S. consumers pay for the same gas."

Really ?

Biden is doing this ?
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Yea, he is using a proxy war to box out a competitor in the nat gas market in Europe and then allowing companies to price gouge them.

Unless you believe the blue pilled MSNBC version where Putin is a crazed madman that just up and decided to invade Ukraine totally unprovoked one day narrative.
 
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