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Russia / Ukraine thread
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ugh, that guy again?
nah we're talking skinhead types, they're kinda salted all over eastern europe at a greater rate than most anywhere else
rockota
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That’s exactly what said woke less is doing… and the governments/institutions behind said wokeness..
That’s exactly what said woke less is doing… and the governments/institutions behind said wokeness..
rockota
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LOL... you're asking for transparency and accountability?
Right? This isn’t 44… “the most transparent administration in history.”.. this is 46.
CDA 455 II
ANFAQUE2
Redrider
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Napolitano and MacGregor talk. Poland, Ukraine Nazis, Mark Milley puppet
thesaker.is
Andrew Napolitano interviews Douglas MacGregor on Poland | The Vineyard of the Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard
thesaker.is
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
feel like I should expand on this:
They saw the real face of communism and had also seen "an alternative" to those horrors in their past, so it is totally excusable that they'd be drawn to such nonsense at a greater than normal rate.
east_beast
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Seems like they should be well aware of both sides of that coin.
Provience
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strange that between the 4 general broadly implemented examples, they choose the skinhead route
it'd be so nice if we could find a way to save money rather than spend it while both sides continue to lose through the winter.
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
people are stupid and associate things simplistically
life was significantly better for them under the crazy state run pseudo religion than it was under the crazy state run forced family fun farm
Provience
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This seems appropriate enough a place for this.
some older articles which are long and interesting.
1987 "the case for a new NATO Strategy" which talks about some founding stuff and some options for a way forward with regards to USSR/Russia changes and such
2010 "Nato's new strategic considerations" talking about the more modern version of the behemoth of NATO and the how/why it acts
2012 "russian military in 2020" a review of how post USSR russia lost and regained it's armies and how it planned to move forward from turn of the century through 2020
some older articles which are long and interesting.
1987 "the case for a new NATO Strategy" which talks about some founding stuff and some options for a way forward with regards to USSR/Russia changes and such
2010 "Nato's new strategic considerations" talking about the more modern version of the behemoth of NATO and the how/why it acts
2012 "russian military in 2020" a review of how post USSR russia lost and regained it's armies and how it planned to move forward from turn of the century through 2020
the german news is talking about ukraine's plan to retake crimea.
doesn't look like anyone wants to have a conversation about putting a stop to any of this.
full speed ahead on the war machine WHOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOO
doesn't look like anyone wants to have a conversation about putting a stop to any of this.
full speed ahead on the war machine WHOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOO
SanDiegoCJ
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They left because Russia couldn't supply the troops in Kherson, so instead of getting surrounded they fled before they were killed or captured.They are literally jizzing their pants over the fact that Russia abandoned Kherson. Abandoned, not were driven back, not encircled and left with no option but to surrender. They simply went “we’d rather spend the resources elsewhere”, and that somehow means that Ivan is on the ropes.
Using that logic, the taliban invasion of the mainland United States must already be underway
They are literally jizzing their pants over the fact that Russia abandoned Kherson. Abandoned, not were driven back, not encircled and left with no option but to surrender. They simply went “we’d rather spend the resources elsewhere”, and that somehow means that Ivan is on the ropes.
Using that logic, the taliban invasion of the mainland United States must already be underway
Wow. The Russians lost. They gave up ground. Humiliating defeat. No other way to spin it. If they had stayed they would have been Mariupol'd. Dead. Prisoners paraded in front of YouTube minions. Tactical reversals added up to a strategic defeat. The entire west (north) bank of the Dnieper has been liberated, or recaptured.
Provience
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I dunno, has any Ukraine army relief aid walked back in to recapture?
They gave up the west bank...that's not exactly abandoning crimea
all russia did was move behind a natural defensive line so they could move those resources north to attack bahmut.
who the fuck knows what they're trying to do, but taking bahmut would probably be a good thing for russian logistics and a bad thing for ukrainian logistics.
and we all know that wars are won by economies and logistics.
shortbus4x4
Junk collector
Retreat? I don't think so. Strategic withdrawal behind a natural defense, absolutely. In battle I would rather have the river to my front that the enemy has to try to cross than have it right behind me knowing that the bridges that bring me supplies or my retreat can be easily blown up.
Provience
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Isn't Russia already at their "new border"
Seems like they've just been launching tons of harassing volleys to keep power knocked until. Very few casualties and just maybe Ukraine will run out of foreign funds and capitulate
Provience
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Russia is using legal standing and supporting the break away previously semi autonomous regions, they've had borders since 2014The borders will be wherever Russia decides they are, dammit
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
soviet union 2.0The borders will be wherever Russia decides they are, dammit
mechastalin 4.0
consequences will never be the same, internet police have been called
For that to have happened, the fortunes of war have to have changed. And they have, The Roosk took Kherson, and a lot of land to the north so they could drive into Kiev. They didn't get to Kiev. Far from that, they got beaten and beaten some more until they had to retreat across the Dnieper so they wouldnt get cut off. This is coupled with a large retreat along the new " eastern front". Stinging defeat for Putin. I dont think there is a Massive Soviet offensive with lights out Ukriane coming. I dont think they have the capability or the morale anymore to do that. They will have to worry about holding the Crimean Peninsula which is about to be similarly cut off. Stay tuned.
I dont think there is enough of a Soviet fleet left in the Black Sea for NATO or the US to worry about. If Turkey continues to close the Bosporus to the Russians, they have to try and horde their remaining junk and preserve it. NATO or the US can strike the Black sea fleet anytime it choses to. Without any Ukraine land support needed.
Pocahontas
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Russians have never been a surface fleet. Is any first world country gets involved with a full on war with Russia it will be the people of both countries that suffer. It only takes once icbm sub to fuck everything up worldwide.
Provience
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We've had multiple wars with Mexico and at least a couple armed conflicts with Canada.I am in total agreement with you there. The Russian navy is a joke, and it was a joke even during the height of power of the Soviet Union. They just can’t devote the resources to operating 3 fleets when they also have the need of an absolutely massive amount of ground forces to defend their borders.
The UK and Japan could maintain humongous fleets back in their day because they are island nations, and didn’t have a need to fund huge standing armies. Small expeditionary forces was all they needed during peace time.
The us can do it since we are effectively an island since surrounded by friendly nations. It’s not like we are worried about Canada invading anytime soon
Never underestimate your enemy
Provience
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If Canada won the war of 1812, then America amd the USSR won their wars in AfghanistanI’m sure somewhere the DOD has a file sitting around, probably coated in an inch of dust, containing plans to invade and annex Canada. After all, why shouldn’t America have her hat?
Oh, and Canada/The UK won that war the last time we fought it. I’d happily accept a Canadian invasion that leads to the White House being put to the torch again though
Operation Canadian BaconI’m sure somewhere the DOD has a file sitting around, probably coated in an inch of dust, containing plans to invade and annex Canada. After all, why shouldn’t America have her hat?
Oh, and Canada/The UK won that war the last time we fought it. I’d happily accept a Canadian invasion that leads to the White House being put to the torch again though
I will say that I am completely surprised that Russia didn't over power, destroy the Ukraine army. It SEEMED like a total mismatch. Back in February it SEEMED like Russia was going to blow shit up, drive in and take Kiev, and all the goobers in the press were talking shit about the Bolsheviks going into Moldova and Estonia. Even Poland and Finland. Any of you out there in this thread ??
I was one.I will say that I am completely surprised that Russia didn't over power, destroy the Ukraine army. It SEEMED like a total mismatch. Back in February it SEEMED like Russia was going to blow shit up, drive in and take Kiev, and all the goobers in the press were talking shit about the Bolsheviks going into Moldova and Estonia. Even Poland and Finland. Any of you out there in this thread ??
I didn't think that ukraine was going to make it more than 30 days.
but then the west started sending them everything.
Russia can't compete with nato's economy.
though I have to wonder how many artillery shells we're going to send them. The numbers I've seen thus far say that the US has sent them nearly a million rounds of 155. We certainly can't keep up that kind of delivery schedule without impacting our own strategic position.
SanDiegoCJ
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The Russian army is a paper tiger. It's vastly downsized from what it was and the spending has been drastically cut. Also maintenance on equipment has been totally shitty. It's always been a "blunt instrument" where they threw vast numbers of barely trained people at an adversary. That shit don't work against modern tech weapons systems.I will say that I am completely surprised that Russia didn't over power, destroy the Ukraine army. It SEEMED like a total mismatch. Back in February it SEEMED like Russia was going to blow shit up, drive in and take Kiev, and all the goobers in the press were talking shit about the Bolsheviks going into Moldova and Estonia. Even Poland and Finland. Any of you out there in this thread ??
Thefishguy77
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Wokeness is marxism in disguise.