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Robert Kennedy Jr.'s running mate suggests ticket may drop out, join forces with Trump to stop Harris

grumpy356 said:
I'm glad to have his support, because Trump needs all the help he can get.

BUT, don't lose sight of who he is. He was right on 3 issues, and he's wrong on almost everything else.

And the 3 issues he's right on are issues everyone should agree dem or repub. Covid policy is BAD, Ukraine is a corrupt cesspool, and the border is joke. None of that should be considered controversial.

But he's an environmental lawyer who would support a gun ban. One could conclude he will likely be very PRO EPA, and ATF.

Trump needs him, but at the same time... fuck him. Get as much as you can get, and give as little as possible.
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Those are MASSIVE issues though. You're not gonna have an entire administration that agrees with you on literally everything and honestly you shouldn't. Echo chambers are bad.
 
grumpy356 said:
I'm glad to have his support, because Trump needs all the help he can get.

BUT, don't lose sight of who he is. He was right on 3 issues, and he's wrong on almost everything else.

And the 3 issues he's right on are issues everyone should agree dem or repub. Covid policy is BAD, Ukraine is a corrupt cesspool, and the border is joke. None of that should be considered controversial.

But he's an environmental lawyer who would support a gun ban. One could conclude he will likely be very PRO EPA, and ATF.

Trump needs him, but at the same time... fuck him. Get as much as you can get, and give as little as possible.
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So you make use of what he's good at and keep him powerless to change things he shouldn't. Trump can always fire him if needed, it's not like he was shy about doing that in his first term. He'd be fantastic to go after all the bullshit in the FDA.

If nothing else it looks good that Trump is potentially pulling people from both parties who are outside the establishment in general. If he can get a couple of people like RFK Jr and Tulsi Gabbard in his admin that's huge for attracting swing voters.
 
Mikel said:
Does anyone here know someone who will be voting for RFK? I don't know a single person.
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I don't either but there's no doubt that there are many who are or were going to, hopefully those votes will transition over if RFK makes a move.
 
Mikel said:
Does anyone here know someone who will be voting for RFK? I don't know a single person.
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i occasionally see his signs around town. For that matter I see just as many Wutang is forever signs
 
dntsdad said:
CIA chief FTW!!
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The last time I heard CIA and Kennedy in the same sentence was…

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Mikel said:
Does anyone here know someone who will be voting for RFK? I don't know a single person.
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Not really. I know a few who say they would vote for him in a different election but that's about it. Most dems I know can't stand him. Anyone who leans right I know that has said they liked him haven't heard him speak about anything for more than 2 minutes.

I don't think he's full of shit or anything, but he's weird. He'll make a ton of sense for a minute then come in out of left field with real, real weird opinions about shit that no one really agrees with like they're normal and then go right back to making sense. Like when he was on Rogan, he was on a roll then starts about a bunch of nonsense about wifi causing cancer and killing tons of people.
 
Spreader said:
That was just wild speculation on my part. RFK jnr. has said he believes the CIA killed his uncle. And hid dad was the AG. His dad was like a dog onna bone pursuing those he thought needed it. And murdered also. Revenge served cold ya'know.
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Not sure about RFK, and I am not sure about JFK either of course, but Mike Pompeo begged Trump not to release too many classified doc from the JFK assasination because it would devesate the CIA and turn the people against it (CIA).

What else in those files would do that other than the CIA killed him, looked the other way, or arranged it and then covered it up and pinned it on LHO alone?

CIA killed JFK IMO

I think junior RFK knows enough people in that world that someone has told him the truth but he can't prove it. That is a bold statement to say the premiere spy agency in the world killed someone high level in the US government, or any US citizen for that matter, without the fear of them proving you wrong IMO.
 
dntsdad said:
Not sure about RFK, and I am not sure about JFK either of course, but Mike Pompeo begged Trump not to release too many classified doc from the JFK assasination because it would devesate the CIA and turn the people against it (CIA).

What else in those files would do that other than the CIA killed him, looked the other way, or arranged it and then covered it up and pinned it on LHO alone?

CIA killed JFK IMO

I think junior RFK knows enough people in that world that someone has told him the truth but he can't prove it. That is a bold statement to say the premiere spy agency in the world killed someone high level in the US government, or any US citizen for that matter, without the fear of them proving you wrong IMO.
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They've gotten their MIC blank check ever since, regardless of who is in the WH. I don't think that's a coincidence.
 
dntsdad said:
Not sure about RFK, and I am not sure about JFK either of course, but Mike Pompeo begged Trump not to release too many classified doc from the JFK assasination because it would devesate the CIA and turn the people against it (CIA).

What else in those files would do that other than the CIA killed him, looked the other way, or arranged it and then covered it up and pinned it on LHO alone?

CIA killed JFK IMO

I think junior RFK knows enough people in that world that someone has told him the truth but he can't prove it. That is a bold statement to say the premiere spy agency in the world killed someone high level in the US government, or any US citizen for that matter, without the fear of them proving you wrong IMO.
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Fuck Mike Pompeo, all the more reason to release those files.

Besides, we've grown complacent. If Trump has released those files it would have been nonstop coverage blaming Trump at the time and the people in general would have just glossed over being told what people already know. As far as conspiracy theories go, JFK being killed by the CIA isn't exactly fringe anymore. I don't think there would be that much uproar or public demand for disbanding the CIA if they admitted they killed Kennedy. But then again, it's not really the murder they're afraid of having exposed, it's the cover up, why, and who else was involved.
 
dntsdad said:
Not sure about RFK, and I am not sure about JFK either of course, but Mike Pompeo begged Trump not to release too many classified doc from the JFK assasination because it would devesate the CIA and turn the people against it (CIA).

What else in those files would do that other than the CIA killed him, looked the other way, or arranged it and then covered it up and pinned it on LHO alone?

CIA killed JFK IMO

I think junior RFK knows enough people in that world that someone has told him the truth but he can't prove it. That is a bold statement to say the premiere spy agency in the world killed someone high level in the US government, or any US citizen for that matter, without the fear of them proving you wrong IMO.
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I mentioned it briefly before, but read an article back around Covid about the Bush family, JFK, Reagan, etc.

In a nutshell...JFK was assassinated (by the CIA) because he wasn't a globalist.

Reagan wasn't supposed to get the nomination in '80, Bush Sr was.

Reagan not only got the nomination, but won and then there was John Hinckley Jr. Again, because Reagan wasn't a globalist.

And then Trump and all the commie bullshit that occurred trying to keep him from winning in '16.

I don't even remember how I came across it, much less where it was. Lots of history about the Bush family ties all the way back to WW2. I'm sure it's been hidden now by the interweb search engines.
 
While this is interesting, the question is, will the people who would have voted for him really go ahead and cast their votes for Trump? Most of the independents I’ve run across online usually tout their choice to vote independent because they can’t stand Trump or Harris or the Republicans or Democrats period. Would they really plug their noses and cast a vote for Trump just because their candidate told them to? At this stage in the game, if he drops out, would his name even get removed from the ballots in the states he is on it? I feel like overall this election has been chaos in a really late stage of the game, and maybe that’s on purpose to make everyone scramble and lose focus. Normally by this time we’ve had the candidates settled for months and people have already made their decisions.
 
Motorcharge said:
Fuck Mike Pompeo, all the more reason to release those files.

Besides, we've grown complacent. If Trump has released those files it would have been nonstop coverage blaming Trump at the time and the people in general would have just glossed over being told what people already know. As far as conspiracy theories go, JFK being killed by the CIA isn't exactly fringe anymore. I don't think there would be that much uproar or public demand for disbanding the CIA if they admitted they killed Kennedy. But then again, it's not really the murder they're afraid of having exposed, it's the cover up, why, and who else was involved.
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Like L Johnson being involved....
 
92 Green YJ said:
While this is interesting, the question is, will the people who would have voted for him really go ahead and cast their votes for Trump? Most of the independents I’ve run across online usually tout their choice to vote independent because they can’t stand Trump or Harris or the Republicans or Democrats period. Would they really plug their noses and cast a vote for Trump just because their candidate told them to? At this stage in the game, if he drops out, would his name even get removed from the ballots in the states he is on it? I feel like overall this election has been chaos in a really late stage of the game, and maybe that’s on purpose to make everyone scramble and lose focus. Normally by this time we’ve had the candidates settled for months and people have already made their decisions.
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Trump committing to giving RFK Jr. a cabinet position might change that.
 
I mean, RFK Jr. is obviously not going to win the election so if you're a true supporter of his and planning to vote for him then honestly him in a cabinet position is actually a far better option for you than voting for a failed Presidential bid. If you're committed to voting third party then you really weren't much of an RFK Jr. supporter to begin with.
 
92 Green YJ said:
While this is interesting, the question is, will the people who would have voted for him really go ahead and cast their votes for Trump? Most of the independents I’ve run across online usually tout their choice to vote independent because they can’t stand Trump or Harris or the Republicans or Democrats period. Would they really plug their noses and cast a vote for Trump just because their candidate told them to? At this stage in the game, if he drops out, would his name even get removed from the ballots in the states he is on it? I feel like overall this election has been chaos in a really late stage of the game, and maybe that’s on purpose to make everyone scramble and lose focus. Normally by this time we’ve had the candidates settled for months and people have already made their decisions.
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Trump was/is as close to an independent/3rd party as they are going to get. Democrats hate him because he exposes them. Republicans hate him because he simply took their party away from them. Hated by both sides. When you boil it down, isn't that exactly what the independent/3rd party is about?
 
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92 Green YJ said:
While this is interesting, the question is, will the people who would have voted for him really go ahead and cast their votes for Trump? Most of the independents I’ve run across online usually tout their choice to vote independent because they can’t stand Trump or Harris or the Republicans or Democrats period. Would they really plug their noses and cast a vote for Trump just because their candidate told them to? At this stage in the game, if he drops out, would his name even get removed from the ballots in the states he is on it? I feel like overall this election has been chaos in a really late stage of the game, and maybe that’s on purpose to make everyone scramble and lose focus. Normally by this time we’ve had the candidates settled for months and people have already made their decisions.
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I think a lot more people are just holding their noses and voting for Trump than they're willing to admit. People know what we get with both of these options as President and it's pretty damn clear which is the better option for the country if you're not gaslighting yourself or getting hung up on superficial bullshit like mean tweets not becoming the office. It's a lot easier to go quietly cast a vote than it is to tell people how you're voting.
 
92 Green YJ said:
While this is interesting, the question is, will the people who would have voted for him really go ahead and cast their votes for Trump? Most of the independents I’ve run across online usually tout their choice to vote independent because they can’t stand Trump or Harris or the Republicans or Democrats period. Would they really plug their noses and cast a vote for Trump just because their candidate told them to? At this stage in the game, if he drops out, would his name even get removed from the ballots in the states he is on it? I feel like overall this election has been chaos in a really late stage of the game, and maybe that’s on purpose to make everyone scramble and lose focus. Normally by this time we’ve had the candidates settled for months and people have already made their decisions.
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I don't have that much optimism or hope for the majority of Americans as they're mostly idiots, but I also think the "it's the economy stupid" will get enough off their butts to not allow another 4 years of the same which is actually 12 years of the gay Muslim.

While people are stupid, they can also see what is happening to their paychecks. And bank accounts, if they have them.
 
Motorcharge said:
I think a lot more people are just holding their noses and voting for Trump than they're willing to admit. People know what we get with both of these options as President and it's pretty damn clear which is the better option for the country if you're not gaslighting yourself or getting hung up on superficial bullshit like mean tweets not becoming the office. It's a lot easier to go quietly cast a vote than it is to tell people how you're voting.
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I think you're right. The polls have always significantly underestimated his electoral performances probably for this very reason.
 
east_beast said:
He immediately denied that. I honestly seriously doubt it. One, because he's dead to the Democrats. Once you step out of line you're dead to them. Two, he's rightly very pissed at the Democrats. He's a lifelong Democrat. He wanted to run as a Democrat. The Democrats just don't have much interest in democratic processes these days so he was forced to run as an independent.
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his own family (ENTIRE FAMILY) thinks he needs mental help and have warned the world about him. He's a nut. Trump needs to figure out how to keep RFK's voters without having to hear him talk... At some point, DJT will say that RFK is bull goose looney.
 
gladman said:
his own family (ENTIRE FAMILY) thinks he needs mental help and have warned the world about him. He's a nut. Trump needs to figure out how to keep RFK's voters without having to hear him talk... At some point, DJT will say that RFK is bull goose looney.
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Either put a yoke or a noose on him and eventually the problem will work itself out.
 
gladman said:
his own family (ENTIRE FAMILY) thinks he needs mental help and have warned the world about him. He's a nut. Trump needs to figure out how to keep RFK's voters without having to hear him talk... At some point, DJT will say that RFK is bull goose looney.
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Not sure they're the family to trust on recommending mental help. Especially when they all hate him because he stepped outside the family politics.
 
JD Mark said:
Not sure they're the family to trust on recommending mental help. Especially when they all hate him because he stepped outside the family politics.
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He wants to ride on JFK's coattails which are the families' politics. From everything they have said publically, they think he is off his rocker and when I hear his 'ideas' I think that no matter how odious they are as a group, it can also be true that he is a nut.
 
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