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Robert Kennedy Jr.'s running mate suggests ticket may drop out, join forces with Trump to stop Harris

45acp said:
I have been, and know people that feel the exact same way about nicotine.

Of course I've never been under the bridge downtown zonked out from a big pinch of Redseal.

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have you known nicotine addicts who sold their children in to prostitution? or who robbed and beat people for cigarettes?

SJohnson's post is exactly in line with my thoughts on this. When I was in high school, I worked as a custodian at a methadone clinic. I worked AFTER they were all gone for the day and cleaned up after them. I came to know some of the doctors and nurses and people who worked there and I learned a lot about the swath of destruction that heroin cuts on the addict and everyone around them.

It is known as the selfish drug. Later, in my early 20's I got a job remodeling department stores. One of the people I worked with was a recovering heroin addict. He was a HUGE help to me. We both ran jobs and there was a ton of stuff I didn't know, but he was confident in me and when I needed help, I called him and he was fantastic.

Great dude. Kind, brilliant and a hard worker. As our work relationship grew, he asked if I would meet him at his next job in Merced, Ca to help him with the demo. I said sure (I owed him big time and I would have helped anyway.)

We work all week (my store was finished) and we finished on thursday mid morning. He asked did I think it would be fun to go to yosemite and so we did and did some fishing and then continued over the hill. We got some dinner and hotel rooms. The next day, we went cruising around in the course of conversation, he told me he'd been a heroin addict and what it did to his life. He was in his late 30's. It sounded terrible. then he told me, every single morning and every single night and a few times a day, all I want is to fix.

Then he told me that he hoped he'd never use again, but that no one, me included, should ever trust him or put him in charge of anything they cared about.

A couple months later, his live in gf and my gf and the two of us went out to dinner (he didn't drink because he was afraid that if he got drunk, he'd fix) and during the course of dinner we were laughing and having a good time and out of the blue, he tells the waiter to bring us a round of shots.

We took our shots and I could tell he was about to order another and I excused myself from the table... on the way back, I made up a story about how we had to leave... and so, we did and my gf was pissed and wondering why I broke up the party.

So, I told her. A week went by and I was back on a job and the phone on the tiel line rang and it was him. He called everyone a 'schmuck' and he said, 'hey ya schmuck, I'm guessing you pretty much hate me, eh?' I said, 'of course I do not hate you, but after you told me why you didn't drink, and then with us, you were all ready to go, I didn't want to be part of your downfall.' and he said that us leaving shifted the night and he didn't drink anymore and he didn't do anything other than go home and go to bed.

But, he said, 'It could have happened, that is why you should never trust me.'

When I hear RFK talk, I hear a very selfish, self involved, hyperfocused but missing the forest for the trees type person who is impulsive and singleminded to the degree... coupled with an addictive personality, he should not be in charge of anything that anyone is counting on.

Now, the guy I knew was in charge of remodeling Mervyn's stores, so some people did count on him, but, most of my job for that company was going in after the first guys fucked things up being lazy, stupid, alcoholic etc. Mike and I were the last two guys doing the punch lists for those stores... so, it wasn't that there weren't failures that weren't drug addicts, but the impact of their messes was manageable.

I don't trust that he isn't still doing things that are questionable and that his judgemen, in general, is suspect and given his past, he is not a person to have in a position of authority or responsiblity. It is too bad he wasn't as mature as my friend (and self aware) to know who he was and what he was.

That is why I don't trust Heroin addicts.
 
gladman said:
have you known nicotine addicts who sold their children in to prostitution? or who robbed and beat people for cigarettes?

SJohnson's post is exactly in line with my thoughts on this. When I was in high school, I worked as a custodian at a methadone clinic. I worked AFTER they were all gone for the day and cleaned up after them. I came to know some of the doctors and nurses and people who worked there and I learned a lot about the swath of destruction that heroin cuts on the addict and everyone around them.

It is known as the selfish drug. Later, in my early 20's I got a job remodeling department stores. One of the people I worked with was a recovering heroin addict. He was a HUGE help to me. We both ran jobs and there was a ton of stuff I didn't know, but he was confident in me and when I needed help, I called him and he was fantastic.

Great dude. Kind, brilliant and a hard worker. As our work relationship grew, he asked if I would meet him at his next job in Merced, Ca to help him with the demo. I said sure (I owed him big time and I would have helped anyway.)

We work all week (my store was finished) and we finished on thursday mid morning. He asked did I think it would be fun to go to yosemite and so we did and did some fishing and then continued over the hill. We got some dinner and hotel rooms. The next day, we went cruising around in the course of conversation, he told me he'd been a heroin addict and what it did to his life. He was in his late 30's. It sounded terrible. then he told me, every single morning and every single night and a few times a day, all I want is to fix.

Then he told me that he hoped he'd never use again, but that no one, me included, should ever trust him or put him in charge of anything they cared about.

A couple months later, his live in gf and my gf and the two of us went out to dinner (he didn't drink because he was afraid that if he got drunk, he'd fix) and during the course of dinner we were laughing and having a good time and out of the blue, he tells the waiter to bring us a round of shots.

We took our shots and I could tell he was about to order another and I excused myself from the table... on the way back, I made up a story about how we had to leave... and so, we did and my gf was pissed and wondering why I broke up the party.

So, I told her. A week went by and I was back on a job and the phone on the tiel line rang and it was him. He called everyone a 'schmuck' and he said, 'hey ya schmuck, I'm guessing you pretty much hate me, eh?' I said, 'of course I do not hate you, but after you told me why you didn't drink, and then with us, you were all ready to go, I didn't want to be part of your downfall.' and he said that us leaving shifted the night and he didn't drink anymore and he didn't do anything other than go home and go to bed.

But, he said, 'It could have happened, that is why you should never trust me.'

When I hear RFK talk, I hear a very selfish, self involved, hyperfocused but missing the forest for the trees type person who is impulsive and singleminded to the degree... coupled with an addictive personality, he should not be in charge of anything that anyone is counting on.

Now, the guy I knew was in charge of remodeling Mervyn's stores, so some people did count on him, but, most of my job for that company was going in after the first guys fucked things up being lazy, stupid, alcoholic etc. Mike and I were the last two guys doing the punch lists for those stores... so, it wasn't that there weren't failures that weren't drug addicts, but the impact of their messes was manageable.

I don't trust that he isn't still doing things that are questionable and that his judgemen, in general, is suspect and given his past, he is not a person to have in a position of authority or responsiblity. It is too bad he wasn't as mature as my friend (and self aware) to know who he was and what he was.

That is why I don't trust Heroin addicts.
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Ney York killed that dude on the streets over nicotine.

Yes, it does happen
 
gladman said:
have you known nicotine addicts who sold their children in to prostitution? or who robbed and beat people for cigarettes?

SJohnson's post is exactly in line with my thoughts on this. When I was in high school, I worked as a custodian at a methadone clinic. I worked AFTER they were all gone for the day and cleaned up after them. I came to know some of the doctors and nurses and people who worked there and I learned a lot about the swath of destruction that heroin cuts on the addict and everyone around them.

It is known as the selfish drug. Later, in my early 20's I got a job remodeling department stores. One of the people I worked with was a recovering heroin addict. He was a HUGE help to me. We both ran jobs and there was a ton of stuff I didn't know, but he was confident in me and when I needed help, I called him and he was fantastic.

Great dude. Kind, brilliant and a hard worker. As our work relationship grew, he asked if I would meet him at his next job in Merced, Ca to help him with the demo. I said sure (I owed him big time and I would have helped anyway.)

We work all week (my store was finished) and we finished on thursday mid morning. He asked did I think it would be fun to go to yosemite and so we did and did some fishing and then continued over the hill. We got some dinner and hotel rooms. The next day, we went cruising around in the course of conversation, he told me he'd been a heroin addict and what it did to his life. He was in his late 30's. It sounded terrible. then he told me, every single morning and every single night and a few times a day, all I want is to fix.

Then he told me that he hoped he'd never use again, but that no one, me included, should ever trust him or put him in charge of anything they cared about.

A couple months later, his live in gf and my gf and the two of us went out to dinner (he didn't drink because he was afraid that if he got drunk, he'd fix) and during the course of dinner we were laughing and having a good time and out of the blue, he tells the waiter to bring us a round of shots.

We took our shots and I could tell he was about to order another and I excused myself from the table... on the way back, I made up a story about how we had to leave... and so, we did and my gf was pissed and wondering why I broke up the party.

So, I told her. A week went by and I was back on a job and the phone on the tiel line rang and it was him. He called everyone a 'schmuck' and he said, 'hey ya schmuck, I'm guessing you pretty much hate me, eh?' I said, 'of course I do not hate you, but after you told me why you didn't drink, and then with us, you were all ready to go, I didn't want to be part of your downfall.' and he said that us leaving shifted the night and he didn't drink anymore and he didn't do anything other than go home and go to bed.

But, he said, 'It could have happened, that is why you should never trust me.'

When I hear RFK talk, I hear a very selfish, self involved, hyperfocused but missing the forest for the trees type person who is impulsive and singleminded to the degree... coupled with an addictive personality, he should not be in charge of anything that anyone is counting on.

Now, the guy I knew was in charge of remodeling Mervyn's stores, so some people did count on him, but, most of my job for that company was going in after the first guys fucked things up being lazy, stupid, alcoholic etc. Mike and I were the last two guys doing the punch lists for those stores... so, it wasn't that there weren't failures that weren't drug addicts, but the impact of their messes was manageable.

I don't trust that he isn't still doing things that are questionable and that his judgemen, in general, is suspect and given his past, he is not a person to have in a position of authority or responsiblity. It is too bad he wasn't as mature as my friend (and self aware) to know who he was and what he was.

That is why I don't trust Heroin addicts.
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1- I wouldn't vote for RFKjr if he were running... 40 something year old heroin addiction notwithstanding

2- I've got this feeling... had he bowed out gracefully while spouting orange man bad and a minor pat on the back to the Harris campaign you wouldn't have an opinion on him here

3- My original point.... example Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Pelosi, etc etc have zero past life with addiction struggle. And here we are. So basically a large field of elected representatives with no past chemical dependency and yet we're right here in the goddam middle of the fall of Rome.
 
Damn man, I would go with a CURRENT heroin addict over the Obama/Biden team over the past couple decades outside of Trump's years.

Agree with RFK or not, I don't know how anyone can make the case the he is mentally not good, physically not good, and actually believes in something. This government that is seeking to take the reins of, fucking killed his uncle and father, probably. Watch him on Tucker. His command of facts is amazing. This guy in not damaged.

Argue about his beliefs if you want. Nothing wrong with that. I certainly don't agree with him on everything, or even most things. You can't question his commitment to open information, anti-censorship, and freedom of speech however.

Now it just so happens that I hate that part of the government as well as would love nothing more than some GoodFellas/Casino type of justice on many of them. However, I will be happy with an unleashed RFK as CIA Chief or AG. Couple that with Trump's seemingly willingness to declassify most anything, the American system COULD be weeded out, people in jail, reputations destroyed, pensions gone and more than will ever know, run for cover by resigning and slinking off to hole up in shame.

It would be a GREAT day to see Brennen and Clapper perp walked one day. Add in McCabe, and I might just jerkoff to it.

That is fucking E ticket shit that I want to see and live through.

Unless he did something to kids, IDGAF what he did 40+ years ago in the least. That would be true for Obama, Clinton, Sanders as well, who I despise.
 
45acp said:
1- I wouldn't vote for RFKjr if he were running... 40 something year old heroin addiction notwithstanding

2- I've got this feeling... had he bowed out gracefully while spouting orange man bad and a minor pat on the back to the Harris campaign you wouldn't have an opinion on him here

3- My original point.... example Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Pelosi, etc etc have zero past life with addiction struggle. And here we are. So basically a large field of elected representatives with no past chemical dependency and yet we're right here in the goddam middle of the fall of Rome.
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Agree on #1. But, his past cinches it for me.
I think it is mind blowing that he had 5% support... A couple of things can be true and not be in conflict... I can think he is completely unfit to be president.... I also continue to believe that DJT will win and I think that is just how the story will go. I think it is already written and was agreed to a bit ago. I think DJT is just as much a part of the system as all the rest of the people.... I've met a ton of people who were at both conventions and who spoke. They are are ALL in it.

I'd agree on 3 too... yes, a lot of the people who are ineffective at governing have not been heroin addicts, but, that doesn't mean that heroin addicts would, then, make great legislators... that is absurd.

We don't always get the best people running. there are some good, boring legislators and some just goofball, psycho sociopaths (on both sides)

there is no reason to assume the worst about me or my intentions... there are times we may not agree, but way more times when we do and when we disagree it isn't because I hate DJT, he is not that big of a part of my day. We all survived when he was president last time, we'll survive if he is president again...

I wish there were better choices, but their arent and I hope that he marginalizes Kennedy when he does get elected.
 
Kennedy has actually accomplished things as a lawyer to be proud of. Kamala Harris used her position to railroad people and then fought like hell to keep wrongfully convicted people in prison by trying to deny exonerating evidence.

Addiction issues aside, Kamala Harris' past has aot more red flags than RFK Jr.'s. She has proven that she will abuse power. If you want a disqualifying trait, that's about as dire of one as there is.
 
east_beast said:
Kennedy has actually accomplished things as a lawyer to be proud of. Kamala Harris used her position to railroad people and then fought like hell to keep wrongfully convicted people in prison by trying to deny exonerating evidence.

Addiction issues aside, Kamala Harris' past has aot more red flags than RFK Jr.'s. She has proven that she will abuse power. If you want a disqualifying trait, that's about as dire of one as there is.
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Nobody said Harris is a good or desirable option, it is hilarious to see all the Kenedy affirmations here :laughing:
 
Provience said:
Nobody said Harris is a good or desirable option, it is hilarious to see all the Kenedy affirmations here :laughing:
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I haven't seen anyone really going over the top praising the guy. More just saying it's ridiculous to dismiss someone for an addiction issue 40 years ago, particularly given the quality of character shown by many people within the government
 
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