Red side has the Golden Ring.........now what?

[Firstram]

The boarders honestly I’m speechless because I assure you they will get in even with the wall measures but the ones getting in will be what I would consider highly motivated and probably bring skill sets that are useful in trades and low labor that our unemployed beneath them. (I will honestly say most of the construction labor of this country isn’t part of our nation but they get the shit done).

I think the physical wall is just symbolic. The real deterrent will be enforcing what the wall represents!

 

[fordguy]

just saying its not a only black prob like his ad pointed out. nothing more

2:1 ratio for aid, versus 90:1 ratio for working contributing population

 

[ApeEater]

The fine enforcement on the consumer side ended, not on the insurance side. That is what I'm referring to. When insurance companies can't write policies without all the ACA compliance shit, when hospital systems have to hire a bunch more admins to comply with the regulatory structure... that all drives up the price of healthcare that will just get pushed to the person/entity paying.

So? If the CCP thought tariffs would make them more money to prop up their failing economy then they wouldn't be opposed to them. Who gives a fuck if the ONN/TCL/Vizio TV from walleyworld costs a nickel more, all that shit has gotten cheaper over the last 8 years anyway, not more expensive.
If the argument is that it could be even cheaper to the consumer than it is now, that's one you can make. But as a class of products consumer electronics have gotten cheaper since the tariffs started, not more expensive.
Tariffs for strategic reasons I'm all for.
Reciprocal tariffs on .govs that tariff our products I'm all for.

We're not talking nickels, we're talking 25%; that $300 TV at walmart is actually a $240 TV.

Now go talk to the soybean farmers that we had to bail out when China immediately stopped importing from the US. Tariffs don't work the way people think they do. No consumer goods manufacturing is moving back to the US. None. Very little industrial manufacturing is moving back to the US, and none of it is moving back because of tariffs.

 

[Levigarrett76]

Get fuel prices back down. Bet that makes things affordable enough that people don't feel the hurt when buying groceries.

If republicans don't fix the economy over the next 4 years, all those swing voters who jumped on board might not be on board next time.

Fuel prices are down, the dollar just worth 50% less because printer go burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Aisin]

this is funny on so many levels. if i recall there are approx 2:1 whites on welfare compare to blacks. as stated above its crazy complex. its not just welfare. fuck there are about 20 percent of the population on it some sort of benefits. does not make them a leech. but you are correct there are a bunch of leeches giving the system a bad rap. but its complex as hell.

Multi generational households on government assistance are not welfare leeches? I’d like to smoke some of whatever your dumbass is smoking. No shit there are more white people on welfare. There are 4 times as many white people in the country. Black people make up the highest percentage by race on government assistance. Not too hard to see that unless you were fucking stupid.

 

[45acp]

At that time, 30 years ago, the doctor said that even today in the USA on 1 in 3 babies survive. 1994. Not that long ago.

I think you did a typo?

 

[Aisin]

2:1 ratio for aid, versus 90:1 ratio for working contributing population

This right here. Chaplin is a liberal cuck.

 

[Tiha]

I think you did a typo?

1994, that is what the doctor told us. Don't know where he got the stats. I would hope by 2022 the number would have improved. Just like in 2042 I hope it is better yet.

Does that number include abortions?
Should it?

In edit, it looks like that number is after children are born, does not include the day of birth or being forcebly removed.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

We're not talking nickels, we're talking 25%; that $300 TV at walmart is actually a $240 TV.

Understood, but that 300 tv in 2016 is now 140. I'm not arguing that these costs aren't added in, I'm just saying that the consumer doesn't really notice in the example you are using

Now go talk to the soybean farmers that we had to bail out when China immediately stopped importing from the US.

I'd bet any amount of money that I talk to more of them than you. It was short term pain, long term wash. China just bought Brazil's beans. All Brazils customers came to the US.

Tariffs don't work the way people think they do.

Agreed, but I think you miss the point of them in this case.

No consumer goods manufacturing is moving back to the US. None. Very little industrial manufacturing is moving back to the US, and none of it is moving back because of tariffs.

Doesn't matter if they come to the US as much as it matters that we aren't funding our geopolitical foes. Getting them to build in India or somewhere in the Americas would be a strategic win.

 

[45acp]

1994, that is what the doctor told us. Don't know where he got the stats. I would hope by 2022 the number would have improved. Just like in 2042 I hope it is better yet.

Does that number include abortions?
Should it?

I dunno, not really debating any of it... but it seems really off that only 1 in 3 babies survived in '94. That's a really wild number. 30 pregnant women in a room, 20 of them are going to have miscarriages or lose the baby right after birth? Only 10 babies the following year from those 30 pregnant women?

 

[Tiha]

Understood, but that 300 tv in 2016 is now 140. I'm not arguing that these costs aren't added in, I'm just saying that the consumer doesn't really notice in the example you are using

And remember Trump threatened a lot more tariffs than he actually put in place.

Maybe the threat was the whole point.

 

[Tiha]

I dunno, not really debating any of it... but it seems really off that only 1 in 3 babies survived in '94. That's a really wild number. 30 pregnant women in a room, 20 of them are going to have miscarriages or lose the baby right after birth? Only 10 babies the following year from those 30 pregnant women?

Yep obviously I was shocked and the number stuck with me.

 

[Motorcharge]

I dunno, not really debating any of it... but it seems really off that only 1 in 3 babies survived in '94. That's a really wild number. 30 pregnant women in a room, 20 of them are going to have miscarriages or lose the baby right after birth? Only 10 babies the following year from those 30 pregnant women?

Quick search rebukes it. CDC stats from back then show it at a record low (for the time) 8 per 1000. NIH and a bunch of other links show similar results.

 

[Tiha]

Quick search rebukes it. CDC stats from back then show it at a record low (for the time) 8 per 1000. NIH and a bunch of other links show similar results.

I have tried to reconcile those numbers for years myself, but none of the data out there covers miscarriages basically.

Where are those counted? Or are they?

That is basically the only way those numbers would be possible.

 

[Motorcharge]

I have tried to reconcile those numbers for years myself, but none of the data out there covers miscarriages basically.

Where are those counted? Or are they?

That is basically the only way those numbers would be possible.

I don't know, but when I search the CDC and NIH links that came up went directly to the studies and documentation not just some PR page. Wouldn't trust either org today, but I doubt they were lying about those rates in 94.

 

[Tiha]

I don't know, but when I search the CDC and NIH links that came up went directly to the studies and documentation not just some PR page. Wouldn't trust either org today, but I doubt they were lying about those rates in 94.

If you combine the infant mortality rate 0-1 years old,
Plus the still birth rate, 1995 was 6.95
And don't know miscarriage rates of 1994 but mayo clinic says today the rate is 10-20 percent pregnancies are miscarriages.

The 1 in 3 babies number they gave me in 1994, possible but unlikely.

So after all these years I now believe that doctor lied to me? LOL I can finally sleep at night?

 

[45acp]

He may not have lied? Good chance he believed the data. Doctors aren't always right nor do they always have correct info. Remember 2021?

 

[Motorcharge]

Yeah, much more likely the doc was just wrong. They're wrong a lot. And to be fair, information in their world is constantly changing to the point it's almost impossible to keep up with the latest data and info unless you're in some sort of specialized medicine.

 

[Gbkeith]

1994, that is what the doctor told us. Don't know where he got the stats. I would hope by 2022 the number would have improved. Just like in 2042 I hope it is better yet.

Does that number include abortions?
Should it?

In edit, it looks like that number is after children are born, does not include the day of birth or being forcebly removed.

Was the doctor talking about one in three babies overall or just one in three babies that require emergency c sections?

 

[Gbkeith]

I have tried to reconcile those numbers for years myself, but none of the data out there covers miscarriages basically.

Where are those counted? Or are they?

That is basically the only way those numbers would be possible.

It’s not uncommon for a woman to miscarry before she even knows she’s pregnant.

 

[ApeEater]

Agreed, but I think you miss the point of them in this case.

No I get the point completely. The point is political gamesmanship with his base, most of whom think manufacturing is going to magically come back to the US and prices will fall.

 

[45acp]

Yeah, much more likely the doc was just wrong. They're wrong a lot. And to be fair, information in their world is constantly changing to the point it's almost impossible to keep up with the latest data and info unless you're in some sort of specialized medicine.

--- in the year 1992, and OB/GYN has dinner with a med device rep ---

rep- "Hey man you need to get some of these new vagina pliers. They're way better than that old junk you're using. Patented comfort ring to hold the lips open and there's less iron in the stainless steel so they won't rust as bad when you stick them in the dishwasher..."

ob- "Hmmm... I dunno. I really like the pliers I have now. Plus, they make a satisfying clicking noise."

rep- "Yea man don't worry the new ones click too. They're also alot safer than your old ones. Higher birth rates mean a higher billing rate, amiright? Say, did you know the current birth rates in the US is 1 in 3? You guys need all the safety you can get. 1 in 3 sucks bro. You guys are slippin'. "

ob- [intense memorization stare]

 

[DMG]

Foreign wars aren't going to fight themselves!

Have you heard of a proxy war?

 

[Motorcharge]

--- in the year 1992, and OB/GYN has dinner with a med device rep ---

rep- "Hey man you need to get some of these new vagina pliers. They're way better than that old junk you're using. Patented comfort ring to hold the lips open and there's less iron in the stainless steel so they won't rust as bad when you stick them in the dishwasher..."

ob- "Hmmm... I dunno. I really like the pliers I have now. Plus, they make a satisfying clicking noise."

rep- "Yea man don't worry the new ones click too. They're also alot safer than your old ones. Higher birth rates mean a higher billing rate, amiright? Say, did you know the current birth rates in the US is 1 in 3? You guys need all the safety you can get. 1 in 3 sucks bro. You guys are slippin'. "

ob- [intense memorization stare]

Yeah, that's another huge factor.

My mom worked in a doc's office for 2 years just doing billing. Every single day they had a different pharma rep in there buying them nice catered lunches followed by some bullshit pitch and incentive program to sell more legal heroin or gas station dick pills, or whatever. She knew it happened, but she was shocked at how often and how blatant it was including just straight up cash to push certain drugs.

 

[Dethmachinefab]

Who comes up with agenda47 and project 2025 and all this stuff?

Wait until you hear about project 2026, the U.S. and Argentinian alliance and their plan to conquer Africa.

 

[Firstram]

Yeah, that's another huge factor.

My mom worked in a doc's office for 2 years just doing billing. Every single day they had a different pharma rep in there buying them nice catered lunches followed by some bullshit pitch and incentive program to sell more legal heroin or gas station dick pills, or whatever. She knew it happened, but she was shocked at how often and how blatant it was including just straight up cash to push certain drugs.

My BIL is a drug salesman, it’s terrible what they can get away with

 

[welndmn]

We're not talking nickels, we're talking 25%; that $300 TV at walmart is actually a $240 TV.

Now go talk to the soybean farmers that we had to bail out when China immediately stopped importing from the US. Tariffs don't work the way people think they do. No consumer goods manufacturing is moving back to the US. None. Very little industrial manufacturing is moving back to the US, and none of it is moving back because of tariffs.

The whole transition from China to other Asia–Pacific countries has been interesting.
I only see it on speadsheets, but the products now coming from Twain and Vietnam is a large amount, BUT I wonder how many are made in china, then just 'assembled' somewhere else.
Mexico City is also going technology nuts as they try and supply for the USA. I don't know how long it would take them to ramp up to the tech that China has, but I think they are trying.

 

[Tiha]

Was the doctor talking about one in three babies overall or just one in three babies that require emergency c sections?

He was very clear, only 1 in 3 babies survive in the usa

I just remember being so shocked because 1994 was modern times. It was made worse by the scares we had with our son. like 8 hours of labor, his heart rate dropping repeatedly until the doctor and nurses rushed in and said we need to cut him out now.

Had no idea how that number would haunt me for so many years.

 

[Motorcharge]

It's also entirely possible he was just completely full of shit.

 

[ApeEater]

The whole transition from China to other Asia–Pacific countries has been interesting.
I only see it on speadsheets, but the products now coming from Twain and Vietnam is a large amount, BUT I wonder how many are made in china, then just 'assembled' somewhere else.
Mexico City is also going technology nuts as they try and supply for the USA. I don't know how long it would take them to ramp up to the tech that China has, but I think they are trying.

They're trying, but the quality isn't there yet. We tried shifting some things to Mexico, and ended up shifting back to China because it was cheaper and higher quality.