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Red side has the Golden Ring.........now what?

Motorcharge said:
Obviously not a long term solution, but that's better than doing nothing til Congress passes laws.

Using EO to bypass Congress is the problem, using them to instruct Federal agencies on how to operate within existing law is what they're supposed to be used for.
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Damn straight!
 
chaplinfj60 said:
i do have to ask... why obamacare? what other choice is there for low cost health care. i dont have a fight in this because of my military insurance but i know more than a few people who benefit from it.
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I may be an outlier (doubt it) but it's only made my health insurance more expensive, more restrictive, and less good.
Reform health care costs, billing, etc., is badly needed, but Obamacare did plenty to help insurance and nothing to improve health care.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
i do have to ask... why obamacare? what other choice is there for low cost health care. i dont have a fight in this because of my military insurance but i know more than a few people who benefit from it.
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Why Obama care? Because taxpayers are paying for free healthcare for millions of welfare leeches. It’s the reason the cost of insurance has doubled or tripled.
 
Bonanza said:
I bet that national debt might add another $12b
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You forgot to adjust for inflation. :flipoff2:

Aisin said:
Why Obama care? Because taxpayers are paying for free healthcare for millions of welfare leeches. It’s the reason the cost of insurance has doubled or tripled.
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Its okay, they can keep their plans. It will just cost them now.
 
Motorcharge said:
Eh, it's a pretty easy fix, at least the insurance side. Allow interstate health insurance then get the Feds out of the fucking way. Then allow ERs to turn away patients.

The second one sounds bad on paper, but go sit in the ER in any city at night and watch how many people come in who are clearly full of shit just trying to score opiates. Between that and people with a cold treating the ER like it's a health clinic the unpaid costs hospitals have to cover elsewhere (your insurance) are insane and one of the biggest reasons healthcare costs are so ballooned past reality.
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Ha, the ER!

I don’t know where to start, and I don’t know that there is any real “solution” that doesn’t create another problem.

Maybe State funded federal subsidized health clinics would help, but that would require a way to eliminate liability on the Hospitals if we allowed them to turn away non Emergency cases.
The biggest fear any hospital system has when it comes to turning away a non Emergency is the liability of turning away a true emergency that didn’t present as one.

I’ve worked in Healthcare for over 30 years as a Paramedic transporting people to the ER, and now as a Paramedic working for a hospital inside the ER. I currently work for a busy hospital ER in Houston Tx. Harris Co. (Houston) is the 3rd largest county in the U.S., the Houston medical center is arguably one of the largest and best in the world. Certainly top 10 or so.

I admittedly don’t know the actual numbers but my guess would be….

75-80 % of the patients that present to the ER are not an emergency or anything close to an emergency.

At least 50% of those case will NEVER pay a dime for the care they receive, because they have no form of health insurance.
This number may be higher than national average due to the amount of illegal immigrants in the area.

Of the other 50% I’d guess that 50% of them will never pay anything other than what their insurance pays.

Heath care cost are crazy and that’s due to multiple factors but one of the biggest is, someone has to pay for those that don’t. Generally speaking it us, those that do pay.

Bla bla bla….

I wish the ERs could turn away non emergency cases. Your rash, or your child with a runny nose is not an emergency.
You being homeless and wanting a bed and sandwich is not a medical emergency.
Your fake pain because you want opiates is not an emergency etc etc
The vast majority of people sitting in the lobby have no emergency.

These people will continue going to the ER and we will continue footing the bill until there is an alternative that they will use, or we can force them to use legally and without a huge liability.

This doesn’t even take into account how overcrowding delays care of those that do actually have an emergency.

Our Healthcare system is fucked up, we all know that. I have no clue how to fix it.

Socialized Medicine IS NOT imo the answer.
 
rockdog57 said:
One thing that I think might bite trump in the ass is 25% tariffs on everything imported. Every banana you eat is imported for instance . That’s just gonna be passed on to you and me. Creating inflation.
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This is true as well as what a lot of others are saying.

but really, my hope has always been that he rip the bandaid off and fix america. To do that it will really hurt the chance that Vance or any other republican replaces him.

Yep tariffs hurt for a while, but the payoff longer term is worth it.

Stop all the free stuff. Yep it will hurt, people will suffer, but they will also grow up. Or die, either way problem solved.

Housing assistance, restrict it.
Food stamps, restrict it.
Child care assistance, restrict it.
un employment, restrict it.

When I say restrict it, I pretty much mean eliminate for 80-90% of people getting it now.

Restrict all of that greatly. Force people to get off their butt and back to work.

My son can get free health care, he makes really good money and is paying for better health care, but for the money he makes it should not even be an option.

my daughter, has 2 kids, no child support. She gets day care assistance. She could get housing assistance but she is too proud to take it.
But she has proven she doesn't need housing assistance.

The free stuff is too much. Has been for too long.
 
rockdog57 said:
One thing that I think might bite trump in the ass is 25% tariffs on everything imported. Every banana you eat is imported for instance . That’s just gonna be passed on to you and me. Creating inflation.
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Liberal bullshit. We had 150ish tariffs in place under Trump and they had little to no effect on the consumer.
 
Aisin said:
Have you not seen the ads with black people in them stating that they got healthcare plans for no money at all? These are welfare leeches. My aunt Debbie is a millionaire. She has Obama care.
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this is funny on so many levels. if i recall there are approx 2:1 whites on welfare compare to blacks. as stated above its crazy complex. its not just welfare. fuck there are about 20 percent of the population on it some sort of benefits. does not make them a leech. but you are correct there are a bunch of leeches giving the system a bad rap. but its complex as hell.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I recall fuel prices going up all over the place once Ukraine and Russia got into it and we started selling more of our oil overseas to compensate. Maybe I'm recalling wrong?
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Natural Gas pricing rose for a bit, until that got stabilized.
TanTJJim said:
That's the problem right there, a few may benefit but at the expense of everyone else. This is straight up Socialism.

Obamacare from top to bottom was just fucked. My premiums and deductibles went through the roof, people like my sister who make very little couldn't even afford Obamacare so it actually hurt the people he said it would help.

All it helped was the very few in the lower middle class that fall in the narrow window to benefit from it, and the health insurance industry. :flipoff: Obamacare.
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The health insurance industry were the big winners there.
IowaOffRoad said:
Realistically, he can always opt to cut the enforcement end of ACA without legislation if he wanted to, which would give us 3 years of relative freedom on the issue (a la the fed .gov's position towards states legalizing weed at the moment).
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I'm pretty sure he already did that during his last term.

Boss said:
Get rid of what ever policy that fucks up appliances with that damn energy star.

MAKE APPLIANCES GREAT AGAIN!!

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And get rid of those stupid low-flow shower heads!
 
chaplinfj60 said:
this is funny on so many levels. if i recall there are approx 2:1 whites on welfare compare to blacks.
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Well yeah, whites are a much larger portion of the population. You can't compare straight numbers, you have to look at groups as percentage of the overall population then what percentage of those are represented.
 
Aisin said:
Liberal bullshit. We had 150ish tariffs in place under Trump and they had little to no effect on the consumer.
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That's not true. At the time I worked for a company that imports consumer electronics from China. I guarantee you have multiple products in your house with their name on it. We brought in import experts who applied for temporary exemptions on basically all of the tariffs. We sold through inventory we already had in the US. We brought in as much as possible during the exemption periods. We ate the cost of the tariffs for a few months, as we worked with retailers to negotiate price increases. This delayed the effects of the tariffs by at least 2 years.

Then we worked with our Chinese factories, and coordinated with them as they opened factories in Vietnam and other AsiaPAC countries. They then set their pricing from these new factories to 5% less than the tariff price. These factories are in areas with less established trade logistics, so lead times went from 90 days to 180 days.

End result, supply chain issues that were brought into the public eye during Covid, 20% higher profits for China, and 25% higher costs for the US consumer.

edit: oh, and our OKC based company wrote millions of dollars more in checks to US Customs to pay for the new import tariffs. US consumers pay tariffs.
 
Trick95 said:
Use the same shit they try with the Second.

"When they wrote the First they had no idea that near instant and world wide communication would be possible, so it only applies to ink and paper delivered on horseback or by foot."

So either shall not and fuck off or internet/tv/radio doesn't count.

:beer:


100% for term limits and politicians are on the same pay scale as the armed forces (equivalent rank for each branch pay averaged. Each office has it's rank assigned.). Once you're out you're out. Term limit is lifetime accumulated in office, not per office. You get the SS/retirement you put in. No pension for life. No security for life. You're a citizen again. Getting bought is punishable by death. You're not coming into office with $12 and leaving a millionaire.

AFT gets sent to a farm with the NFA/hughes/etc. shoved up it's ass.

National constitutional carry - fuck it. constitutional everything. It's as written, not as you think it should be.

No tax on SS

All judges are held accountable for stupidity. Let that guy with 14 DUIs walk, he gets drunk and kills someone, you get charged as an accomplice.

Reduce all involvement in the rest of the world. NATO/UN get to suck a dick. Either pay the babysitter or we walk.

Squatters rights are a federal offense. You don't own the property you don't have fucking rights beyond your lease/contract. After being told to GTFO them refusing can be treated as any other pest problem.

Property taxes are gone for owner occupied residential properties. Out of country connected corp owned pay 40% on single family properties.

Every bill is single issue. Want to lower taxes? It gets a vote. Want to send $400b so iran can study gay frogs? It gets a vote.

Hate crime bullshit goes away. Kill someone because they're black, red, white, crusades, aloha snackbar, shit in your sunroof? Doesn't matter. They're the same action regardless of why it was done.

Any project/funding without results in the proposed timeframe is fraud. Better pitch and plan accordingly. Got $100m a mile for a train? Been doing nothing for 10 years? Better hear a choo choo before 2025.


As to abortion:

If she can choose to abort without him, he can choose to not support without her. Both were there for the minute and a half making it, so both get a choice in the next 18+ years.

The people who say it should only be for rape and shit are blind... You either support it or you don't. Conditionals just mean false charges for innocent men unless penalties are high enough AND ENFORCED. Minimum charges equal to, or greater than, attempted pre-meditated murder for false reports as she's trying to end his life.

If her killing it isn't murder why is killing her, and it, two counts?
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trick 4 prez :flipoff2:
 
ApeEater said:
I'm pretty sure he already did that during his last term.
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The fine enforcement on the consumer side ended, not on the insurance side. That is what I'm referring to. When insurance companies can't write policies without all the ACA compliance shit, when hospital systems have to hire a bunch more admins to comply with the regulatory structure... that all drives up the price of healthcare that will just get pushed to the person/entity paying.
ApeEater said:
That's not true. At the time I worked for a company that imports consumer electronics from China. I guarantee you have multiple products in your house with their name on it. We brought in import experts who applied for temporary exemptions on basically all of the tariffs. We sold through inventory we already had in the US. We brought in as much as possible during the exemption periods. We ate the cost of the tariffs for a few months, as we worked with retailers to negotiate price increases. This delayed the effects of the tariffs by at least 2 years.

Then we worked with our Chinese factories, and coordinated with them as they opened factories in Vietnam and other AsiaPAC countries. They then set their pricing from these new factories to 5% less than the tariff price. These factories are in areas with less established trade logistics, so lead times went from 90 days to 180 days.

End result, supply chain issues that were brought into the public eye during Covid, 20% higher profits for China, and 25% higher costs for the US consumer.

edit: oh, and our OKC based company wrote millions of dollars more in checks to US Customs to pay for the new import tariffs. US consumers pay tariffs.
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So? If the CCP thought tariffs would make them more money to prop up their failing economy then they wouldn't be opposed to them. Who gives a fuck if the ONN/TCL/Vizio TV from walleyworld costs a nickel more, all that shit has gotten cheaper over the last 8 years anyway, not more expensive.
If the argument is that it could be even cheaper to the consumer than it is now, that's one you can make. But as a class of products consumer electronics have gotten cheaper since the tariffs started, not more expensive.
Tariffs for strategic reasons I'm all for.
Reciprocal tariffs on .govs that tariff our products I'm all for.
 
Take abortion from a real woman’s view not a deranged blue belt as I would call it.

My reasons to despise abortion:
1. I don’t think if you are constantly irresponsible in your sexual lifestyle you should be obtaining one.
1A. My view on this was the clinic across the street from my old work where I would watch women come in and out in less then an hour if you know what I mean and I’ve known some girls to have had multiple procedures. Because they didn’t like using protection.

My reason to approve them:
1.Rape
2. sexual activity of a minor (blame the parents if they were not forced).
3. It’s the life of the woman vs the life of the child

What gets me is the Bible thumpers who show up on Saturday mornings only to protest the clinic. (Why are they not there every day). (This is actually how I found most of these clinics).

The other clowns I laugh at are the feminists and confused I’ve done everything to my physical attributes to repulse you with vaginas. That scream at priests my body my rights. Trust me when I say this as a representation to the nation we have no problem with things like you having abortions. What we really want to know is how did you get pregnant in the first place and is there a wall of shame showing what actually touched you.

The boarders honestly I’m speechless because I assure you they will get in even with the wall measures but the ones getting in will be what I would consider highly motivated and probably bring skill sets that are useful in trades and low labor that our unemployed beneath them. (I will honestly say most of the construction labor of this country isn’t part of our nation but they get the shit done).
 
Tooheysmax said:
What gets me is the Bible thumpers who show up on Saturday mornings only to protest the clinic. (Why are they not there every day). (This is actually how I found most of these clinics).
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Dude, they are at work the rest of the week, they are not liberals, they have jobs.
 
to expand on this abortion issue, I guess this is a rant.

If women were really concerned about their health, then why would there ever be unwanted pregnancies?

don't they have the ability to prepare for sex in dozen of other ways?

If you got the vax, but didn't go on birth control? Why one and not the other?

The extreme limits some states have on abortion is only there for people to feel less guilty about what they have done in the past.

I don't know what the stats are now, but if you have children then you know the birth and surviving is truly a miracle.

My oldest is 30 years old. When he was born they had to revive him. He was an emergency C section because his heart rate dropped so low.

At that time, 30 years ago, the doctor said that even today in the USA on 1 in 3 babies survive. 1994. Not that long ago.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
this is funny on so many levels. if i recall there are approx 2:1 whites on welfare compare to blacks. as stated above its crazy complex. its not just welfare. fuck there are about 20 percent of the population on it some sort of benefits. does not make them a leech. but you are correct there are a bunch of leeches giving the system a bad rap. but its complex as hell.
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Just curious what your point is with the 2:1 ratio ?
 
ApeEater said:
That's not true. At the time I worked for a company that imports consumer electronics from China. I guarantee you have multiple products in your house with their name on it. We brought in import experts who applied for temporary exemptions on basically all of the tariffs. We sold through inventory we already had in the US. We brought in as much as possible during the exemption periods. We ate the cost of the tariffs for a few months, as we worked with retailers to negotiate price increases. This delayed the effects of the tariffs by at least 2 years.

Then we worked with our Chinese factories, and coordinated with them as they opened factories in Vietnam and other AsiaPAC countries. They then set their pricing from these new factories to 5% less than the tariff price. These factories are in areas with less established trade logistics, so lead times went from 90 days to 180 days.

End result, supply chain issues that were brought into the public eye during Covid, 20% higher profits for China, and 25% higher costs for the US consumer.

edit: oh, and our OKC based company wrote millions of dollars more in checks to US Customs to pay for the new import tariffs. US consumers pay tariffs.
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Thank you! You are fucking retarded if you think tariffs aren’t passed on to the consumer. He said he was going to put a tariff on everything coming into the country. :flipoff2:
 
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