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tracyb said:
i just put together some fire pit pics for a customers so i've got pics handy

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and yuppie install;

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even put propane burners in a bunch of them. last fire pit install had gas infared heaters surrounding the wood fired pit.
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Those look like a cedar rapids 54”rc2 cone liners. Same cone I have in my closed circuit plant.
 
tracyb said:
i've thought about looking into buying smaller ones new. (even buying an alibaba container of the similar look) all i can get my hands on are the ones he uses and they are around 4-5' across. the yuppies would like a little smaller.
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I tired to get the mine to sell us individual bowls and mantles though the hasel of shipping one out wasn't worth it. We ship out a container at a time. Next time I see our metallurgist I can see if they'll sell the container load to someone else, right now I believe it gets shipped to South Africa and is a wash on if we make money. They are from an HP200.
 
Do you mine any loose material or does everything have to be blasted? The gravel plants in my area everything is loose, they are usually in or near a riverbed.
 
M92PV4U said:
Do you mine any loose material or does everything have to be blasted? The gravel plants in my area everything is loose, they are usually in or near a riverbed.
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I have 2 quarries and 5 sand and gravel pits. Sand and gravel is all loose just dig it up screen it crush it and wash it. The sand and gravel pits I mostly make the concrete sand and aggregates. The quarries I make the road gravels breaker stones and some concrete aggregate.
 
barrelroll said:
When I got into mining I did 40 hour new hire in January and refresher in February to get on track with everyone else. During my refresher an old timer told me it's the longest day of the year in mining. I have to refresh in March, they ship us to town for the day which is kinda nice. Knowing where my original 5000-23 and refresher paper work has come in handy.

I know red dog is hiring mechanics/ millwrights. They pay extremely well though the BS level is up there along with the cold. Having to go through MSHA to get measurements seems a little excessive, usually a contractor can get away without it if they have supervision though I could be wrong. I know there's some rule about if a guy has surface MSHA he can work underground for 40 hours with supervision before needing underground MSHA.

I love this thread, watching an owner operator who actually has to care about costs make it work is awesome. We piss away so much money where I work it's mind boggling.

Do you run any pioneer pumps? If so I'm curious what you think about them. We have 2 with vacuum priming pumps because an engineer didn't want to make a dam wall 4' taller.
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You can be on site escorted for a temp visit without part 46 or 48 training.

You can get contractors for in for up to 5 days one time without training just general awareness

You can usually get away with super specialized consultants not having training but we always escort them.

My favorite is you can do 4 hours of MSHA training and then you have either 90 or 180 days (can't remember which right now) for them to either finish the work or for you to finish their training. This one saved probably $10k on an upcoming project which is why it sometimes pays to call you MSHA education guy.

Our refresher isn't bad, we break it into 6-8 different areas in the plant and cycle people around with hands on shit (fire fighting, harness inspection, electrical safety, etc). Still wastes most of a day but it's better than our quarterly dog and pony shows.
 
barrelroll said:
I tired to get the mine to sell us individual bowls and mantles though the hasel of shipping one out wasn't worth it. We ship out a container at a time. Next time I see our metallurgist I can see if they'll sell the container load to someone else, right now I believe it gets shipped to South Africa and is a wash on if we make money. They are from an HP200.
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i know a ton of boats and barges going between AK and here.... i hardly ask where exactly they go but hear Naknek allot, i've also considered building out a container shop and spending a few months a year in naknek, could be fun, and i know the desiel mechanics and wood boat repair guys kill it$
 
tracyb said:
i know a ton of boats and barges going between AK and here.... i hardly ask where exactly they go but hear Naknek allot, i've also considered building out a container shop and spending a few months a year in naknek, could be fun, and i know the desiel mechanics and wood boat repair guys kill it$
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AML does all our freight, sending a container to Seattle is pretty easy. I don't think we'd load a container on a random boat at our port, Juneau would be the closest place. You might end up with some jaw dies in the container as well. We spit out about 1 bowl and mantle liner a month, 4-6 sets of jaw dies.

There's money to be made keeping the fishing industry alive. This business seems like it's got potential, I just don't have the experiance to do it right. Marine & Industrial Diesel Engine Repair, Rebuild, sales and service Juneau isn't a huge fishing town though it seems like the marine guys do well here. I think there's better areas to make money than Juneau. Petersburg has as many fishing boats as we do with 10% of the people for example. Working 7 days a week during the summer has kept me from thinking about fixing stuff at a fish plant.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
These two have a factory recall that needs to be done. 46 hours of welding on the main tube.
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I could've sworn CAT stopped making scrapers a few years ago. Either I'm mistaken or they reintroduced them again.

There's a huge flood diversion project just north of me and they're supposedly using 24 CaseIH quadtracs and pull behind scrapers for the work. I find it odd that they're not using traditional scrapers and thought it was lack of new / rebuilt iron.

Spent a lot of time bouncing around in an armored 621B in the 'stan.
 
Pony_Driver said:
46 hours? WTH? Are they rebuilding the frame by welding a new one?
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The main tubes must be cracking. Looks like they have to plate it with another layer of 1/2 maybe 5/8 plate.

The 46 hours was total job time. Have to take lines and valves off. Clean it up and paint it. They are almost new machines. Maybe this weekend I’ll crawl around them and get pictures.

I didn’t realize this suckers have 2 gas pedals:lmao:. One for front engine and one for rear engine. Good burn out setup:lmao:
 
Lowrollin70gmc said:
There's a huge flood diversion project just north of me and they're supposedly using 24 CaseIH quadtracs and pull behind scrapers for the work. I find it odd that they're not using traditional scrapers and thought it was lack of new / rebuilt iron.
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Travel speed seems to be the main draw of that setup. Those quadtrack tractors can go FAST where the wheeled scrapers will bounce your head off the cab roof.
 
Lowrollin70gmc said:
I could've sworn CAT stopped making scrapers a few years ago. Either I'm mistaken or they reintroduced them again.

There's a huge flood diversion project just north of me and they're supposedly using 24 CaseIH quadtracs and pull behind scrapers for the work. I find it odd that they're not using traditional scrapers and thought it was lack of new / rebuilt iron.

Spent a lot of time bouncing around in an armored 621B in the 'stan.
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Those tractors are way cheaper than a scraper probably burn less fuel and can drive faster. I’m really not sure why people would still use these types of scrapers anymore. Let alone buy new ones.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
Those tractors are way cheaper than a scraper probably burn less fuel and can drive faster. I’m really not sure why people would still use these types of scrapers anymore. Let alone buy new ones.
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Holy shit. 850k for a used one. I assumed they were in the same 500k-600k range as a quad with pull scraper.

Probably also helps that the Steiger plant is here, plenty available close by.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
The main tubes must be cracking. Looks like they have to plate it with another layer of 1/2 maybe 5/8 plate.

The 46 hours was total job time. Have to take lines and valves off. Clean it up and paint it. They are almost new machines. Maybe this weekend I’ll crawl around them and get pictures.

I didn’t realize this suckers have 2 gas pedals:lmao:. One for front engine and one for rear engine. Good burn out setup:lmao:
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I was wondering how much use they had seen, I see a little paint missing on the side of the pan and inside the bowl with the one on the trailer, but not much.
Is this a "if it breaks" recall, or are they doing this for a bunch of the 627k machines?


Aaron Z
 
brantb said:
That really puts how large that shop is into perspective. I see those things running around turning farm fields into suburbia shit holes
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I think they got a haul truck and the service truck in that bay also after I left tonight to take the kids to bjj.
 
Tractor/Pans move a bunch of dirt cheap if soil conditions are right. But they are not tough, the tractors with all those tires etc. are hell on axles, transmission etc.

Scrapers are tough as hell, and with the double engines and push/pull they have a shit ton of digging force. If there isn't enough traction from the scraper you can push load with a D6 on up as needed.

A scraper spread is a thing of beauty but fuck me I hate working on them. The engine is in a hole with no access from the side. The neck has all sorts of hoses, harnesses and pins and bushings to fuck up.

The rear engine is cake, almost like a mechanic got a hold of the engineer and told him you owe us on this one. :mad3:

That update on the main tube is pretty old, interesting they are just now getting done.
 
larboc said:
So, um, Cat still use the same key for everything?
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My 2021 main disconnect key is the same as a 1969 D6C

The new Cat equipment has satellite coms though.

John Deere tractor and construction equipment keys were the same for years also.
A JD 4020 key would start a 690C excavator
 
The key thing is a little over rated, anything I've ever been involved with that was stolen was by a professional, a key wasn't going to be the limiting factor to their success.
 
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