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Could be but I don't remember him being pro lockdown or mandate. He was and is pro vax as far as I know.
I remember him saying it’s important the vax is available to those who want it, so we can stay open for business.
 
From the Bee


Ohio-Area Turtles Develop Sudden Interest In Pizza, Martial Arts
U.S.·Feb 24, 2023 · BabylonBee.com
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EAST PALESTINE, OH — In a bizarre development, turtles around Ohio have reportedly been spotted hanging around pizza parlors and practicing a wide variety of martial arts.
"I'm telling you, the turtle could talk," said local woman Alisha Hill, who claimed to have seen a turtle emerge from the sewer. "He asked me which way to the pizza parlor, then ran away doing random front-flips. I know what I saw!"
"I'm pretty sure he even shouted, 'Cowabunga!'"
Though the mysterious turtle sightings were initially dismissed as a hoax, dozens of eyewitnesses have come forward with similar stories. "Our pizza joint was packed when one of these turtles came riding in on a skateboard and ordered four large pepperoni pies," said Jon Remy, owner of Paisano's Pizza. "Frankly, he was pretty juvenile. The last thing our town needs right now is a wave of monster turtles acting like little punks."
While many locals have described the turtles as a "frightening menace", local reporter April O'Neil has adamantly defended them. "They're young, ok? And they're only trying to help the city," explained Ms. O'Neil. "I have exclusive footage from last week showing these turtles helping ward off a group of dangerous lizard people trying to invade from D.C. They're heroes in a half-shell, so to speak."
At publishing time, reports had also surfaced that local rats were also taking a liking to martial arts, particularly "ninjutsu".
 
One of them deals where it happened under his time as "figurehead in chief" so clearly it was his idea and doing alone, certainly not the reptilian overlords.


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He never locked down anything to mandated anything, though.
 


Residents in East Palestine, Ohio have given a grim update on their declining health following the toxic train derailment earlier this month.

Locals in the small town, where a Norfolk Southern train derailed on February 3 causing a subsequent toxic explosion, say they are now suffering disturbing symptoms, the New York Post reports.

“Doctors say I definitely have the chemicals in me but there’s no one in town who can run the toxicological tests to find out which ones they are,” said 40-year-old Wade Lovett.

Lovett now has a high-pitched voice that sounds as if he’s been inhaling helium.

‘My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse,” he said.


“My normal voice is low,” Lovett explains.

“It’s hard to breathe, especially at night.

“My chest hurts so much at night I feel like I’m drowning.

“I cough up phlegm a lot.

“I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work.”


Leading the charge to fight for the community is 46-year-old Jami Cozza, a lifelong East Palestinian who counts 47 close relatives here, according to the Post.

Many of them are facing health issues from the chemical fire as well as the psychic toll of their town becoming, in the words of a scientist visiting the area Thursday, the new “Love Canal” — a reference to the Niagara Falls, NY, neighborhood that became a hotbed issue in 1978 because people were getting sick from living above a contaminated waste dump.

Many residents are also complaining of mystery rashes and sore throats after returning home following the lifting of evacuation orders on February 8.

“Yesterday was the first day in probably three or four days that I could smell anything,” said Shelby Walker, who lives a few yards from the epicenter of the crash and explosion.

“I lost my smell and my sense of taste.

“I had an eye infection in both eyes.

“I was having respiratory issues like I was just out of breath.

“Other members of my family have had eye infections and strep throat.

“The cleanup crew drives past us at night and won’t even look at us.

“It’s like we don’t exist. No one has reached out to us or told us anything.”

According to an independent analysis of EPA data by Texas A&M University released on Friday, nine air pollutants were found around East Palestine at levels that could cause long-term health concerns.

“My fiancé was so sick that I almost took him to the hospital,” Jami Cozza told the Post.

“Not only am I fighting for my family’s life, but I feel like I’m fighting for the whole town’s life.

“When I’m walking around hearing these stories, they’re not from people.

“They’re from my family,” she said.

“They’re from my friends that I’ve have grown up with.

“People are desperate right now. We’re dying slowly.

“They’re poisoning us slowly.“

According to a class-action lawsuit filed on behalf of hundreds of residents, Norfolk Southern “went rogue” when it made the decision three days after the derailment to blow up five train cars containing deadly vinyl chloride.

Around 1.1 million pounds of the toxic compound were spilled and later burned, the suit claims.

Norfolk Southern, meanwhile, says they consulted with experts and Gov. Mike DeWine (R) before the controlled burn.

The company said the controlled burn was done to avoid a potential “catastrophic failure of the cars.”

“What they could have done and should have done is remove all the vinyl chloride from the train cars and put them in secure containment vessels,” said Rene Rocha of the Morgan & Morgan law firm, one of the lead attorneys on the class-action case.

“They then should have excavated tons of soil and monitored and remediated the soil and groundwater.”

Cozza’s hearing included a panel with scientists from the University of Pittsburgh, an environmental lawyer, and a veteran Ohio hazardous materials expert.

None of them painted a rosy picture of the town’s future, despite Norfolk Southern’s insistence that the area is safe and will be cleaned up and tested more.

The experts listened as desperate residents asked about the safety of breastfeeding their babies and getting water from their wells.

Planting season is coming soon in an area with many farms.

One woman cried when she spoke about her worry over her pregnant goats, according to the Post.

According to Harvard-trained toxicologist, Stephen Lester, the hot zone at East Palestine is one of the “most concerning” he’s ever seen – and warned that the chemical dioxin that was released during the controlled burn will be embedded in the soil and water.

“Until the government takes this seriously there are going to be real problems,” said Lester.

“It’s criminal that the EPA didn’t come forward with information about dioxin and start testing for it.”
 
What they could have done and should have done is remove all the vinyl chloride from the train cars and put them in secure containment vessels,” said Rene Rocha of the Morgan & Morgan law firm, one of the lead attorneys on the class-action case.

while I'm no fan of the railroad company, they do realize that the shit was on fire for a whole fucking day before the decision to tap the tanks was made right?
I'm not sure what else could have been done differently in the immediate situation after the derailment.
You can't put out the fire and you can't cool the tanks in the fire effectively. You either punch a hole in the tank or the tank explodes. Basic physics shit here.

now, how things were handled after the fire was put out certainly seems to have been a complete shit show from both the rail road and the state.
 
while I'm no fan of the railroad company, they do realize that the shit was on fire for a whole fucking day before the decision to tap the tanks was made right?
I'm not sure what else could have been done differently in the immediate situation after the derailment.
You can't put out the fire and you can't cool the tanks in the fire effectively. You either punch a hole in the tank or the tank explodes. Basic physics shit here.

now, how things were handled after the fire was put out certainly seems to have been a complete shit show from both the rail road and the state.
Exactly and pumping flammable fluid out of a pile of flaming tank cars is a recipe for disaster IF you can even find someone foolhardy enough to do a hot tap on a double wall tank car in a pile of cars that is on fire...

Aaron Z
 
Exactly and pumping flammable fluid out of a pile of flaming tank cars is a recipe for disaster IF you can even find someone foolhardy enough to do a hot tap on a double wall tank car in a pile of cars that is on fire...

Aaron Z
I wondered about that, how do they actually do they do the venting?
 
I wondered about that, how do they actually do they do the venting?
Not sure, dual wall pipe for the hot tap perhaps? One sticks out a couple of feet past the other?
Or, perhaps just bank on the heat of the fire vaporizing enough that you won't be pulling a vacuum until it is almost empty?

Either way, making a hole that you can use to "vent" a car into an existing fire would be a lot easier than trying to make a hole that is sealed enough to contain pressurized flammable liquid/gas and move it into another tank to haul away.

Aaron Z
 
I wondered about that, how do they actually do they do the venting?
There was an incident where a tanker car partially ruptured in Salt Lake back in 2005. One of the guys that did the clean up said, the railroad did not know what was put in the tank. Besides the manifest that was given to them by the company. The company did not know, every information on paper they had was contrary to what was actually inside the tank. Finally a worker had disclosed to the railroad that another acid was also inside. Up to that point they had burned up 4 pumps trying to remove the acid. They then had to source a different style pump made with a plastic impeller and housing to finally get the last bit of it out.

From what he remembered, there was two companies that placed acid in that tank, and at least 3 different acids in the tank. They were all nonreactive to each other, but a 4th was added by one of the companies. Not knowing it could react with one of acids the other company placed inside as all the information on paper didn't match. This deteriorated the rubber liner, and most of the steel tank had dissolved at a certain point on the tank car. The only thing holding most of it was a special paint. They must of just done thier Hazmat refresher as the evacuation and clean up went fine otherwise.

I always thought the BNSF were a bunch of Nancy's as they always have at least one or more sand cars between volatile tank cars to cushion any impact, and bam you would also have an absorbent material at the potential hazmat site. The pictures of the Ohio derailment dont have any sand cars?
 
There was an incident where a tanker car partially ruptured in Salt Lake back in 2005. One of the guys that did the clean up said, the railroad did not know what was put in the tank. Besides the manifest that was given to them by the company. The company did not know, every information on paper they had was contrary to what was actually inside the tank. Finally a worker had disclosed to the railroad that another acid was also inside. Up to that point they had burned up 4 pumps trying to remove the acid. They then had to source a different style pump made with a plastic impeller and housing to finally get the last bit of it out.

From what he remembered, there was two companies that placed acid in that tank, and at least 3 different acids in the tank. They were all nonreactive to each other, but a 4th was added by one of the companies. Not knowing it could react with one of acids the other company placed inside as all the information on paper didn't match. This deteriorated the rubber liner, and most of the steel tank had dissolved at a certain point on the tank car. The only thing holding most of it was a special paint. They must of just done thier Hazmat refresher as the evacuation and clean up went fine otherwise.

I always thought the BNSF were a bunch of Nancy's as they always have at least one or more sand cars between volatile tank cars to cushion any impact, and bam you would also have an absorbent material at the potential hazmat site. The pictures of the Ohio derailment dont have any sand cars?
Probably the rules that "Trump" rolled back. Could have been Obiden who the fuck knows.
 
This is one of the best follows on Instagram if you care about getting news with absolutely no slant at all. The reporters refuse to give any opinion and just provide the content and you can make up your own mind. They are doing the best reporting in East Palestine now than anyone. Even sent a guy to the Norfolk Southern CEO's residence in Atlanta and got stopped by the Norfolk Southern private police force. Some of the most interesting content are the videos of the old guy in the burgundy toboggan. He's a chemical engineer and RNNBS contracted him to do water testing because the gov won't do it. I can't wait to see the results. The water looks fucked bad.

 
I have been following via YT and other sources.
Those residents deserved better, their lives as they knew them are done. Railroad should be busy getting them out of that area and setting them up elsewhere to start over.

Not playing games and pleading ignorance. Of course they have a team of legal counsel at this very time, crunching numbers as to what these petty lives are worth to them...
 
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You can't put out the fire and you can't cool the tanks in the fire effectively. You either punch a hole in the tank or the tank explodes. Basic physics shit here.

I wondered about that, how do they actually do they do the venting?

Either way, making a hole that you can use to "vent" a car into an existing fire would be a lot easier than trying to make a hole that is sealed enough to contain pressurized flammable liquid/gas and move it into another tank to haul away.

Aaron Z
I actually take yearly classes on this stuff.

Granted you can never account for human failure, either in properly loading, listing and marking contents or testing procedures but.

Each vehicle, rail car, semi tanker has to go through testing annually for this exact scenario if they haul hazmat.

The rail car, just like a gasoline hauler has multiple layers of venting to prevent an actual explosion.

These vents open, release pressure and then close again. When they open, the material, like in this case catches fire and you would swear the tank blew up. But in fact it only vented pressure and may do it dozens of times before the fire burns down enough to stop heating the tank.

A rail car is typically around 28,000 gallons if it vented 1 percent that is 280 gallons of something flammable igniting instantaneously.
It will look like an explosion.

The Fed DOT officer that teaches the class I go to has some awesome videos not made available to the public. He is also an investigator so he is a super fun teacher.

In Iowa, cedar rapids a few years back. There was a propane truck that rolled over and caught fire. Fire department was there cooling the tank from a safe distance until basically the cab and diesel fuel burnt off.
this Fed DOT guy shows up while it is still on fire. Fire chief says it blew up 3 times. (single compartment tank. Can't blow up 3 times)
In actuality it vented 3 times. The pressure of the propane tank, getting vented and immediately igniting. Looked like it exploded.
After the fire was out they realized the propane tank was still over half full.

The safety devices did their job, In reality, if that tank had exploded it would have killed those firefighter keeping it cool.

But pressure relief devices to fail, or are imporperly installed at times. So be safe.
 
I actually take yearly classes on this stuff.

Granted you can never account for human failure, either in properly loading, listing and marking contents or testing procedures but.

Each vehicle, rail car, semi tanker has to go through testing annually for this exact scenario if they haul hazmat.

The rail car, just like a gasoline hauler has multiple layers of venting to prevent an actual explosion.

These vents open, release pressure and then close again. When they open, the material, like in this case catches fire and you would swear the tank blew up. But in fact it only vented pressure and may do it dozens of times before the fire burns down enough to stop heating the tank.

A rail car is typically around 28,000 gallons if it vented 1 percent that is 280 gallons of something flammable igniting instantaneously.
It will look like an explosion.

The Fed DOT officer that teaches the class I go to has some awesome videos not made available to the public. He is also an investigator so he is a super fun teacher.

In Iowa, cedar rapids a few years back. There was a propane truck that rolled over and caught fire. Fire department was there cooling the tank from a safe distance until basically the cab and diesel fuel burnt off.
this Fed DOT guy shows up while it is still on fire. Fire chief says it blew up 3 times. (single compartment tank. Can't blow up 3 times)
In actuality it vented 3 times. The pressure of the propane tank, getting vented and immediately igniting. Looked like it exploded.
After the fire was out they realized the propane tank was still over half full.

The safety devices did their job, In reality, if that tank had exploded it would have killed those firefighter keeping it cool.

But pressure relief devices to fail, or are imporperly installed at times. So be safe.
We have similar classes for propane and refrigerants that can be a vapor or liquid depending on pressure and temperature.
I was thinking more of emptying the car in a "controlled burn" vs venting to relieve pressure, flaring off would have probably been a better term than venting.
We were discussing this at work today and trying to understand why it was that they burned off the contents of all the cars vs putting out or flaring off just the ones that were on fire and then pumping out the remainder of them.


Aaron Z
 
We have similar classes for propane and refrigerants that can be a vapor or liquid depending on pressure and temperature.
I was thinking more of emptying the car in a "controlled burn" vs venting to relieve pressure, flaring off would have probably been a better term than venting.
We were discussing this at work today and trying to understand why it was that they burned off the contents of all the cars vs putting out or flaring off just the ones that were on fire and then pumping out the remainder of them.


Aaron Z
I agree, better for the environment to just burn it all up.
Now they have soil contamination, ground water contamination. The remaining product they remove will be waste and not usable.

Just let it burn.
 
are there different types of tanks?
were these the hazardous material kinds?
What happens when they're in a giant crash? Is it likely that the vents become damaged?

I got questions.
 
are there different types of tanks?
were these the hazardous material kinds?
What happens when they're in a giant crash? Is it likely that the vents become damaged?

I got questions.
If it hazardous materials, then it should be a rail car with a DOT certification, built and tested to certain standards.

There are all kinds of tanks. Just like semi trailers, insulated, Steel, stainless, aluminum. Fiberglass, rubber lined, plastic lined. Each have different construction and testing requirements.

Venting has to have some type of roll over protection. Rail cars have a little more leeway vs highway transport because they don't roll over often.

We still may find out the wrong type of car was used for the material being hauled. People got to jail over that stuff.
I haven't looked closely but pretty sure they were proper tanks for the products.
 
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