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New Ford Duallys are 6+ months out?

YotaAtieToo said:
If you could actually comprehend what I posted, you see that I posted a bunch of my own direct experience. Maybe you need more carbs to get some real brain power going :lmao: part of my job for almost 15 years has been hauling things with pickups, lots of different trucks from ~1990 to new and I was impressed by the F150.

My other point was you are literally the only person I've heard day that they weren't impressed by a newer half ton. A good buddy who even worked for a heavy haul company and owned a modded 12v for years was also impressed by his wife's lifted 14 5.0 hauling stuff up and over Donner summit.

If you think you need a late model dually just to pull a car trailer then I guess maybe you should be discussing towing with my wife. :lmao:
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i don't believe this... unless you're living in a very tiny echo chamber
 
YotaAtieToo said:
It really does make it nice to drive. It makes power very low for a tiny 6 cyl.

My FIL had a similar experience driving a brand new JL. They currently have a new 3.5tt explorer, it's kind of a rocket for what it is. They test drove a 3.6/8 speed JL. He said he couldn't get over how gutless it was. Made it sound like it wouldn't get out of its own way. :laughing:
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This is the curse of driving a diesel, once you ever have one and experience that flat, low RPM torque curve you get really spoiled and driving distance becomes much easier.
The Sorrento v6 has plenty of "power" but in regular driving at cruise RPM's there isn't enough torque to "pull out" of high load situations
requiring a downshift (or 2) and giving it more throttle to increase the power to accelerate.
We are all pretty familiar with this but once your leg gets "turbo" calibrated you sort of loose the desire to do it the old way...
I suspect the 7.3 resolves some of this with it's super low RPM peak torque and flat curve.
 
CarterKraft said:
I pull at 65 mph, you ****s can cuss me all you want when you get to the passing lane 2 miles ahead :lmao:
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Then why insist on the dually with a million horse torks that can do it at 90?
CarterKraft said:
This is the curse of driving a diesel, once you ever have one and experience that flat, low RPM torque curve you get really spoiled and driving distance becomes much easier.
The Sorrento v6 has plenty of "power" but in regular driving at cruise RPM's there isn't enough torque to "pull out" of high load situations
requiring a downshift (or 2) and giving it more throttle to increase the power to accelerate.
We are all pretty familiar with this but once your leg gets "turbo" calibrated you sort of loose the desire to do it the old way...
I suspect the 7.3 resolves some of this with it's super low RPM peak torque and flat curve.
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That's not a diesel thing. That's a turbo thing.

Sure, diesel helps. But boost makes everything pull like that. That's why everyone loves their Ecoboost Transits (until they have to repair them and the realities of European garbage can no longer be avoided).
 
arse_sidewards said:
Then why insist on the dually with a million horse torks that can do it at 90?

That's not a diesel thing. That's a turbo thing.

Sure, diesel helps. But boost makes everything pull like that. That's why everyone loves their Ecoboost Transits (until they have to repair them and the realities of European garbage can no longer be avoided).
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Historically its a resale issue for me, a gas trucks value falls like a rock so getting the "premium" experience is worth it, FOR ME.

And to your second statement I wasn't aware of a turbocharged non diesel in a 3/4-up platform?
 
Steve300xcw said:
Pretty much. Mainly need a back up rig that can tow a trailer when needed. And also be a lil nicer than a single cab toyota woods truck....

Hell, I dont even know how much gas is
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yup
getting pretty close to just buying several carbureted 300-6 ZF5 trucks
Shit sits for a year between uses? No big deal at all, boat gas tank gets dumped out and float bowl gets drained when parked.
Three wires for the mice to chew.
 
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yup
getting pretty close to just buying several carbureted 300-6 ZF5 trucks
Shit sits for a year between uses? No big deal at all, boat gas tank gets dumped out and float bowl gets drained when parked.
Three wires for the mice to chew.
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You'll be swapping carb manifolds on then because carb + ZF5 didn't exist from the factory.

For your kind of use 4spd is fine though.
 
CarterKraft said:
Historically its a resale issue for me, a gas trucks value falls like a rock so getting the "premium" experience is worth it, FOR ME.

And to your second statement I wasn't aware of a turbocharged non diesel in a 3/4-up platform?
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When the market wises up to the fact that diesel trucks cost a ton more per mile over their life than gas trucks (general consumers take about a decade to figure this stuff out after it happens IMO) you're gonna lose a lot harder on whatever you're driving when that happens.
 
arse_sidewards said:
When the market wises up to the fact that diesel trucks cost a ton more per mile over their life than gas trucks (general consumers take about a decade to figure this stuff out after it happens IMO) you're gonna lose a lot harder on whatever you're driving when that happens.
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well i have had over 10 turbo diesel tow rigs. and i was fine with them, but the def has turned me off to them any more. and 400 plus hp is more than enough power to tow anything you can legally tow. and 400hp is just that, 400hp. doesn't care if it is diesel gas or electric. it does the same amount of work.
 
arse_sidewards said:
When the market wises up to the fact that diesel trucks cost a ton more per mile over their life than gas trucks (general consumers take about a decade to figure this stuff out after it happens IMO) you're gonna lose a lot harder on whatever you're driving when that happens.
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quoted :flipoff2:
 
gunracer1 said:
well i have had over 10 turbo diesel tow rigs. and i was fine with them, but the def has turned me off to them any more. and 400 plus hp is more than enough power to tow anything you can legally tow. and 400hp is just that, 400hp. doesn't care if it is diesel gas or electric. it does the same amount of work.
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Only thing better than 400hp is 500hp and with an additional 725 lb ft of torque its take an Electric truck to replace the diesel...
When the EV 1 ton comes out that can get more than 100 miles of range we better start prepping until then the turbo diesel is king.
 
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CarterKraft said:
This is the curse of driving a diesel, once you ever have one and experience that flat, low RPM torque curve you get really spoiled and driving distance becomes much easier.
The Sorrento v6 has plenty of "power" but in regular driving at cruise RPM's there isn't enough torque to "pull out" of high load situations
requiring a downshift (or 2) and giving it more throttle to increase the power to accelerate.
We are all pretty familiar with this but once your leg gets "turbo" calibrated you sort of loose the desire to do it the old way...
I suspect the 7.3 resolves some of this with it's super low RPM peak torque and flat curve.
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does that matter so much when you've now got ten speeds in a transmission that shifts in 150 ms?
It's not like all this stuff is using 4 speeds anymore.
 
87manche said:
does that matter so much when you've now got ten speeds in a transmission that shifts in 150 ms?
It's not like all this stuff is using 4 speeds anymore.
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Good question.
I think the failure in the chain is drivers leg... In other words the delay from thinking "vehicle not accelerating" to "push gas more" is the hang up.
Hard to explain but it seems to me my body is programmed for a certain throttle position/speed etc. and a sub conscious force is keeping me from giving it the beans when needed. If the next lower gear split is enough that it could drop in to that gear increase revs and torque to overcome the drag It might not need more input to achieve that.
All pointless pondering I guess.
 
And so far only complaints from 18-22 are all the things I changed it Forscan, double horn honk delete, Police idle mode, temps on gauges, DPF % bambi mode.

I ordered a new OBD link USB to get it all fixed, previously I did it over Bluetooth with my OBDLink MX+ and it always gave me the heebie jeebies programming wirelessly...
 
maybe.

I've never been one to lug an engine in anything. Rev that bitch out. It's better for it anyway.
 
87manche said:
maybe.

I've never been one to lug an engine in anything. Rev that bitch out. It's better for it anyway.
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Yeah agreed, and possibly to both our points the final drive ratios are so low now for MPG/EPA purposes it might make them luggable with out intention.

The '18 truck wasn't luggable with the 4.10/ 6 speed, it was in 6th gear at 30 mph and so high in the curve it could easily (unloaded) pull out of the bottom RPMs.

On the way home in the new one I got in traffic around 40 mph in 8th. I just rolled on the throttle to accelerate as the traffic cleared and the torque/gravity pressure was impressive, no downshift just torque to wheels.
In the other truck it would have done that too but not had two more gears to click in to...
 
yeah, but the ten speed has something like a 5:1 first gear ratio and everything in between.
That's like granny low 465 numbers.
 
87manche said:
yeah, but the ten speed has something like a 5:1 first gear ratio and everything in between.
That's like granny low 465 numbers.
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Yeah its got a lot of gears.
We'll see how this one goes but at my weights I can't see needing the deeper axle gears, but its possible.
The 450 only has 4.3 so that's a commitment I may not want to make after having this one.
 
87manche said:
yeah, but the ten speed has something like a 5:1 first gear ratio and everything in between.
That's like granny low 465 numbers.
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I think 1st gear is pretty similar between the two actually.

Edit: 3.97 vs 4.62:1

Guess that is a fair amount when you think about it.
 
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YotaAtieToo said:
Sometimes I wonder if the transmission is what makes these new trucks pull so well, maybe even more so than the engines?

It would be interesting to put a 10 speed behind a 7.3 or 12v.
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It would be fucking awesome is what it would be.
That would make the OBS and early stupid duties viable again IMO.
Even the big block trucks would benefit.
 
CarterKraft said:
This is the curse of driving a diesel, once you ever have one and experience that flat, low RPM torque curve you get really spoiled and driving distance becomes much easier.
The Sorrento v6 has plenty of "power" but in regular driving at cruise RPM's there isn't enough torque to "pull out" of high load situations
requiring a downshift (or 2) and giving it more throttle to increase the power to accelerate.
We are all pretty familiar with this but once your leg gets "turbo" calibrated you sort of loose the desire to do it the old way...
I suspect the 7.3 resolves some of this with it's super low RPM peak torque and flat curve.
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you don't have a big enough turbo if you aren't double downshifting when you wanna pass someone
ETA: or a tall enough top gear
 
CarterKraft said:
Yeah its got a lot of gears.
We'll see how this one goes but at my weights I can't see needing the deeper axle gears, but its possible.
The 450 only has 4.3 so that's a commitment I may not want to make after having this one.
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i doubt you would really like a 450. i hate riding in the 450 that in the pic i posted on the last page. stiff as a rock loaded and not sure any suspension when unloaded. that and its revving high alot. when we get where we're going he's always borrowing my shit box truck to run around in. mine a pverty package/ hand crank windows, his platinum pkg.

that and he's had towing problems, not been tire something and trialer wag. he says it mostly gone now that he changed tires... shitty his problem tires didn't even have 5k miles on them.
 
tracyb said:
i doubt you would really like a 450. i hate riding in the 450 that in the pic i posted on the last page. stiff as a rock loaded and not sure any suspension when unloaded. that and its revving high alot. when we get where we're going he's always borrowing my shit box truck to run around in. mine a pverty package/ hand crank windows, his platinum pkg.

that and he's had towing problems, not been tire something and trialer wag. he says it mostly gone now that he changed tires... shitty his problem tires didn't even have 5k miles on them.
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That's why I hesitated to get one, I drive a MD truck everyday, definitely don't want one on vacation.

They nailed the look though. The front flares and 19.5's are freaking sweet, call me what you want IDGAF.
If my cousin gets his maybe I can take it for a spin and get a feel.
 
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