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New Ford Duallys are 6+ months out?
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Southernfriedcj8
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And a Powerstroke and a few thousand pounds of mass, 410 gears and some big ass springs, ect.
Southernfriedcj8
80's bartender
YAT, you win. The F150 is the ultimate tow vehicle.
I have a feeling we are irritating the other fucksticks around here, so I'm backing off.
I'll call the dealer in the morning and cancel the F250 and order an F150.
Good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!
I have a feeling we are irritating the other fucksticks around here, so I'm backing off.
I'll call the dealer in the morning and cancel the F250 and order an F150.
Good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!
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No fucking way. That's not what my wife tells me.
I had high hopes for the truck, but it just sucks. Will get sold soon, I hope
Southernfriedcj8
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You need more protein stick boy.
Southernfriedcj8
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They drive like little sports cars though. I loved mine for just driving around town.
1oddtech
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My older service trucks had more tire squirm than my 13 F150 or my new one ever had
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Mine needs better suspension for that. It's kinda like driving a waterbed right now.
Traction control is super touchy on mine. Pisses me off everytime I try an pull out onto the hiway. It just shuts the truck down if it breaks loose at all.
Super comfy, and a bigass back seat though. Just for the amount of fuel the thing uses, I oughta be able to do something with it.
YotaAtieToo
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So just like the vegan thing you like to start up shit, then when hit with actual facts, you "lolz, jk bro"
It's chit chat, derails is life
Maybe you should have tried a simple tire upgrade. They really can be great trucks for towing ~7-8k with the occasional heavier load.
We did 350 miles like this, cruise set, 1 hand on the wheel while bs's. Not even remotely white knuckle.
Then 2500 miles with this, a good majority at 80mph, same thing as relaxing as it is empty.
What don't you like about it?
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ugh, that guy again?
lots of tires show up with only fuckin 4/32" of tread on the shoulders when brand new, I'd guess mostly because of that tire squirm bullshit
Southernfriedcj8
80's bartender
WTF are you talking about? We beat both subjects to death and there is nothing more to discuss. Or did you wife have some new info?So just like the vegan thing you like to start up shit, then when hit with actual facts, you "lolz, jk bro"
Southernfriedcj8
80's bartender
YAT, not messing around, have you had a traumatic brain injury? Just want to give you the benefit of the doubt.
YotaAtieToo
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You never responded to the fact that there are a number of vitamins that you can not get from your rabbit food diet. But instead keep bringing up my wife to try an deflect.
You're doing the same thing here when presented with real world facts. Many people use 1/2t trucks to do the jobs that used to be done with 3/4t with good results. If you were to dumb to put real tires on it that everyone else, I'm not sure what to tell you. Go order a new 1 ton instead
you can try all the personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject, but you're still wrong.Obviously they have their limits, but saying that an empty car hauler is pushing its limits it ridiculous. I can barely notice mine behind it and have never once had it floored up a grade to maintain the speed limit. Can not say the same about my 97 7.3
Southernfriedcj8
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I bring up your wife to bust your balls, but I guess they are protected in her purse.
I responded to the vitamin thing with 7 items and a link for reference.
What more do you want? Should I go to med school for you and come back in 12 years and argue more?
At this point I honestly think you are trolling me. Just cut the line and let me swim away.
Southernfriedcj8
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The "personal attacks" are friendly ball busting. Just like we did at the firehouse, on construction jobs deer hunting and around camp fires.
Ya cont.
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Almost everything lol
Cant see shit out the back of it
..Locker kicks out around 25mph? Wtf
..Super touchy traction control. I shut it off if its even raining, as it will get you in a wreck
..a tuner calmed down the shifting but its still obvious the computer and tranny arent letting you use the motor all the way
..i refuse to buy a pedal comander even though it needs one...bad
..most I have towed with it is a car trailer and a 1st gen tacoma. Very obvious its back there. I wouldnt tow much more with it
..i average 12 mpg. So I might as well be driving something that wants to run a lil harder and is capable of actually doing something
..WTF is stability control
Got more to bitch about, but i'm done typing on this phone
YotaAtieToo
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The new truck nannys can be annoying, I think when you get passed that, they can be impressive.
As far as a tacoma on a trailer being obvious it's behind it, I mean yes, of course. Did you expect to not notice it?
13 mpg is wierd, is it lifted? I don't have a 5.0, but have always heard they do good on fuel. Poor mileage killed the 2500 6.0 burb I had for me. It got the same as my 7.3 with a cab over and trailer. Even driving like a granny with stock 245 pizza cutters and like 6" frame hieght.
Maybe it's the 5.0 and older gen F150 that's not as good. I can only speak for ours, but heard good things about both gens and both engines.
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My last crummy was a 2016 f250. Traction control would kick in every once in a while. But nothing like this thing.
Have never towed much with a 1/2 ton. Not much desire to do so. A 3/4 or 1 ton is a big step in the right direction. Even an older one
The truck is bone stock. Has 3:73's
I dont drive enough for mpg to matter, but I do notice. Only put 10k miles on it in a lil over 2 years
Cruise set at 65 will get 14. Worst I have gotten is 8.5mpg lol but I made REALLY good time!
That 5.0 has power. But to get it you kinda gotta treat it like a 4 banger toyota on the freeway. Just hold er at 5k and enjoy the music
I do like the vynil floors, and with the back seats folded up, you can cram alot of stuff back there. Also has very good cup holders. Thats bout all the good I have to say about it.
Probly pay it off this weekend. Sell it soon as I get the title. Looking at a couple early 2000 ford/dodge 3/4 ton pickups to replace it with
Stupid thing has a 2 leaf spring pack in it. FyI it very obvious when half of one leaves the truck
Have never towed much with a 1/2 ton. Not much desire to do so. A 3/4 or 1 ton is a big step in the right direction. Even an older one
The truck is bone stock. Has 3:73's
I dont drive enough for mpg to matter, but I do notice. Only put 10k miles on it in a lil over 2 years
Cruise set at 65 will get 14. Worst I have gotten is 8.5mpg lol but I made REALLY good time!
That 5.0 has power. But to get it you kinda gotta treat it like a 4 banger toyota on the freeway. Just hold er at 5k and enjoy the music
I do like the vynil floors, and with the back seats folded up, you can cram alot of stuff back there. Also has very good cup holders. Thats bout all the good I have to say about it.
Probly pay it off this weekend. Sell it soon as I get the title. Looking at a couple early 2000 ford/dodge 3/4 ton pickups to replace it with
Stupid thing has a 2 leaf spring pack in it. FyI it very obvious when half of one leaves the truck
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tracyb
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Then 2500 miles with this, a good majority at 80mph, same thing as relaxing as it is empty.
c'mon ..... we get it you love your wifes grocery getter.
but you are totally full of it. the internet completely disagrees with you.
are you going to tell us that you get better than 10mpg while towing your 12k too?
'as relaxing as empty'
total BS. you aint fooling anyone.1oddtech
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And after about 5k miles the squirm went away
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Hay man that there is an ecoBOOST!!!!! Only thing on the road better than that. Is one of those there dodges with a cummings
YotaAtieToo
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Maybe it's because we didn't buy it to tow, but as needs change, it's filled the gap nicely. I guess if I bought it just to tow, my expectations might be different?
Every time I read about guys towing with any newer 1/2t's they are happy. Except sofriedtofu over here. Where are all the bad reviews?
I don't remember, i think the lie o meter said like 9.5 mpg for the whole trip empty there loaded back. 10.5 on the UT trip with the Toyota.
'as relaxing as empty'
Whatever you say. When on the interstate, it was just cruising at 80 no problem. Sometimes it would hold 6th sometimes it liked 5th. If it was remotely unstable I wouldn't have been doing 80 with my whole family in it
Sorry I guess I went on a rant and got the thread derailed. I was originally just trying to compare the ease and comfort of a new truck to an older one, not F150 vs the world
YotaAtieToo
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Just to beat the dead horse a bit more, here's a thread full of people here saying the same thing.
irate4x4.com
I'm pretty sure there is at least one or two more very similar.
If you only drive it 5k a year, there is not much reason to have a half ton over an older 3/4t. Especially if you aren't seeing the better mileage that most are. Same reason I haven't gotten rid of my 97.
Towing with a 1/2 ton truck
Buddy of mine has a 6.6 gas and loves it. Towed his enclosed with a buggy in it from NC to KOH and it did great.
irate4x4.com
I'm pretty sure there is at least one or two more very similar.
If you only drive it 5k a year, there is not much reason to have a half ton over an older 3/4t. Especially if you aren't seeing the better mileage that most are. Same reason I haven't gotten rid of my 97.
CarterKraft
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I think it's about the load and the tongue weight.
Towing dad's boat is not heavy at all but has near zero tongue weight for it's gross I bet.
Basically the suspension is not loaded the same as it would be with 10-15% of gross weight on the tongue.
If you are loading your Ecoboost correctly you might not get that loose feeling from it.
Another comparison for derail sake is my wife's v6 Sorrento vs her 2.0T optima. The Sorrento is punishing to drive with what feels like half the torque of the optima. We all hate the na v6 power train, and driving my daughter's 2.0T Audi Q5 you can feel the difference in torque since the Sorrento and Q5 are the same class of vehicle.
I wonder if this phenomenon happens in the Ecoboost f150s, the increased low rpm torque is a welcome detail for moving heavier loads.
Towing dad's boat is not heavy at all but has near zero tongue weight for it's gross I bet.
Basically the suspension is not loaded the same as it would be with 10-15% of gross weight on the tongue.
If you are loading your Ecoboost correctly you might not get that loose feeling from it.
Another comparison for derail sake
is my wife's v6 Sorrento vs her 2.0T optima. The Sorrento is punishing to drive with what feels like half the torque of the optima. We all hate the na v6 power train, and driving my daughter's 2.0T Audi Q5 you can feel the difference in torque since the Sorrento and Q5 are the same class of vehicle.I wonder if this phenomenon happens in the Ecoboost f150s, the increased low rpm torque is a welcome detail for moving heavier loads.
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Pretty much. Mainly need a back up rig that can tow a trailer when needed. And also be a lil nicer than a single cab toyota woods truck....
Hell, I dont even know how much gas is
tracyb
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fixed it for you. considering the company
and YotaAtieToo we get it. the newer half tons are far better than any half ton before. they can get an impressive amount of towing/ work done. but the 3/4 and 1ton have also gotten that much better too.
to say towing a wheeler on a car trailer @80mph is as relaxing as empty is ignorant. swerve for a road obsticle... (i'm glad you didn't have to) i dont think its unsafe at all, but it doesn't even compare to a 250 or 350. i've done a fair amount of towing with and ecoboost, wa to az a few times. and id take a superduty everytime. driven both many time and i do unsafe shit all the time.
my last trip to sand hollow i was at 90mph as much as possible. but i aint going to tell you it was safe and as relaxing as empty. and i was in a superduty with an equipment trailer and 3 golf carts. my other buddy i was following way hevier than me.
even get rid of the cart on the fb and there aint a chance in hell id rather have an eco f150 to tow. and that pile of shit was a 5.4 truck.
this is at little sahara on the way home.
YotaAtieToo
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Fair point, I think many may be afraid to squat the truck to much. I'd rather have it squatted with proper tongue wieght. When we picked up the dodge, I was expecting some wandering with the truck squatted, but it wasn't bad. The least comfortable I have been towing with it was my SIL's travel trailer, it was only like 6500lbs, but just a big awkward sail with no way to adjust tongue wieght. Wasn't horrible, but I wouldn't want to do it regularly. I guess that's why they always sell all the fancy hitches for those.
Also, maybe the 10 ply's are a lot more of a difference than I realized.
Another comparison for derail sake
I wonder if this phenomenon happens in the Ecoboost f150s, the increased low rpm torque is a welcome detail for moving heavier loads.
It really does make it nice to drive. It makes power very low for a tiny 6 cyl.
My FIL had a similar experience driving a brand new JL. They currently have a new 3.5tt explorer, it's kind of a rocket for what it is. They test drove a 3.6/8 speed JL. He said he couldn't get over how gutless it was. Made it sound like it wouldn't get out of its own way.
YotaAtieToo
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That was actually my original point
Guess we can just agree to disagree?
When I say relaxing, I mean I could just sit back and cruise. I didn't have to watch guages like a hawk, didn't have to white knuckle the steering wheel with both hands. Just sit back and listen to music, talk, ect. No different than if we had no trailer. My 97 is not this way. You just have to pay more attention with a trailer.
If I'm doing 80 on the interstate, I can see a ways up a head and should be able to see any obstacles coming up. Not saying something happening out of no where is impossible, but unlikely. I also have been tought not to swerve unless it's absolutely necessary like it's a child in the road.
In fact there was a few unexpected things that came up, construction comes being one, and I had no problem safety changing lanes.
I think it absolutely does compare to an F250 up untill about 2004. In 05, the better brakes and suspension put it ahead. Talking similar years, it's not even close, the newer 3/4t and 1t are that much better.
As far as just power delivery alone. I'd honestly put the 2.7 up against the 2018 6.2 F250 I had for work. I'm not sure which would actually pull harder, but the they were close and the 6.2 fell off hard with elevation gain.
my last trip to sand hollow i was at 90mph as much as possible. but i aint going to tell you it was safe and as relaxing as empty. and i was in a superduty with an equipment trailer and 3 golf carts. my other buddy i was following way hevier than me.
even get rid of the cart on the fb and there aint a chance in hell id rather have an eco f150 to tow. and that pile of shit was a 5.4 truck.
this is at little sahara on the way home.
At 90, you're going faster than most everyone. At 80 we were mostly just cruising in the right lane occasionally passing a truck. If it got slightly congested at all, I'd slow down. Like I said it was not white knuckle in the slightest. Just cruising. If it wasn't, I would have just slowed down. I think the wife did 75 when she drove fwiw.
We were on 90 east from Missoula to 15 south, then took 80 for a bit back just to switch it up. Most of the time it was pretty lonely.
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AND I'm out! Think I'm goona go read about reality in one of ArTi54n's threads
CarterKraft
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I pull at 65 mph, you ****s can cuss me all you want when you get to the passing lane 2 miles ahead
I hope with the extra OD gear and the rear axle change I will have some adjustability in selecting cruise RPM.
The hill country is a good example, leaving it in 10th at 65 will for sure cause A LOT of downshifts, no way around it the hills are too steep (short length) for their frequency, as you top one your speed will increase and by the bottom you will be above cruise RPM possibly causing a downshift and engine braking if you don't maintain throttle pedal input, then slam into the next hill in a decelerating mode to quickly drop speed then cause the cruise to play catch up, going full boost and shitting out all my precious diesel fuel.
Ideally I will be able to select a top gear with a slightly elevated cruise RPM to provide slight engine braking and near instant spool/power delivery.
I hope with the extra OD gear and the rear axle change I will have some adjustability in selecting cruise RPM.
The hill country is a good example, leaving it in 10th at 65 will for sure cause A LOT of downshifts, no way around it the hills are too steep (short length) for their frequency, as you top one your speed will increase and by the bottom you will be above cruise RPM possibly causing a downshift and engine braking if you don't maintain throttle pedal input, then slam into the next hill in a decelerating mode to quickly drop speed then cause the cruise to play catch up, going full boost and shitting out all my precious diesel fuel.
Ideally I will be able to select a top gear with a slightly elevated cruise RPM to provide slight engine braking and near instant spool/power delivery.