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New Ford Duallys are 6+ months out?

YotaAtieToo said:
It's OK, I've driven them before and they're fine. I'd still take a real MDT inline 6 and trans.

I also do favor the 6.7 Ford over the other 2 for a pickup, fwiw.

I'm well into CDL territory no matter what, oh well.
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My F750 had a 230hp C7 with a proto type CAT CX28 transmission.

As far as power goes out was garbage but the truck was bullet proof.

A 9 liter at 350hp or so would be perfect, not sure that is a option.

I purposely don't get 450s because the roughness of the 19.5 tires and the fixed 4.30 gear ratio.
I have talked about swapping the 19.5s out for 20" E rated LT tires but aftermarket rims leave a sour taste in my mouth.
We'll see how I like this 10-speed 3.55 combo and I may just a 450 for the next one.
 
Order bank is open. Anyone order a 2023 yet?

Only XL, XLT and Lariat. XLT and Lariat are 4x4 only.
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CarterKraft said:
My F750 had a 230hp C7 with a proto type CAT CX28 transmission.

As far as power goes out was garbage but the truck was bullet proof.

A 9 liter at 350hp or so would be perfect, not sure that is a option.

I purposely don't get 450s because the roughness of the 19.5 tires and the fixed 4.30 gear ratio.
I have talked about swapping the 19.5s out for 20" E rated LT tires but aftermarket rims leave a sour taste in my mouth.
We'll see how I like this 10-speed 3.55 combo and I may just a 450 for the next one.
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You don't carry enough weight if your truck is riding rough.:flipoff2: Rolling around at 18,600 smooths the ride right out. My truck rides niiiiice! :grinpimp:
 
CarterKraft said:
18,600 that's cute :flipoff2:
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I'll be rolling down to Port Arthur tomorrow morning slightly overweight.:grinpimp: I loaded up a 2,400lb rotary quill and a 360' spool of die formed 1.25" winch cable Friday to take with me. Cable spool was so big I had to trim it down to fit it in the bed. :laughing:
 
Ford are liars... Sort of. LED headlights, for instance, are available on every trim level... True, technically. Not available on XLT regular cabs or any XLT dually. Only available with XLT Premium Pkg with Sport Appearance.

The same truck we ordered 18 months ago is $4k more now.

Fords decision making as of late is questionable. I do like our 450. She does ride rough on this pothole infested North East roads, but you hook a trailer to it and all that goes away.

2022 orders not built yet are being canceled and getting a 2023 slot when production is going to be limited might well have people waiting 2.5 years for trucks they cannot get.

If we were in the market again, I'd look at Ram right now or wait for '24.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I'll be rolling down to Port Arthur tomorrow morning slightly overweight.:grinpimp: I loaded up a 2,400lb rotary quill and a 360' spool of die formed 1.25" winch cable Friday to take with me. Cable spool was so big I had to trim it down to fit it in the bed. :laughing:
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Fingers crossed, I killed 2 rear axle housing and broke a wheel doing shit like that.
I hope this Chevro-national with higher GVW actually has stronger parts.
 
westracing01 said:
Ford are liars... Sort of. LED headlights, for instance, are available on every trim level... True, technically. Not available on XLT regular cabs or any XLT dually. Only available with XLT Premium Pkg with Sport Appearance.

The same truck we ordered 18 months ago is $4k more now.

Fords decision making as of late is questionable. I do like our 450. She does ride rough on this pothole infested North East roads, but you hook a trailer to it and all that goes away.

2022 orders not built yet are being canceled and getting a 2023 slot when production is going to be limited might well have people waiting 2.5 years for trucks they cannot get.

If we were in the market again, I'd look at Ram right now or wait for '24.
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The short '23 build season will be telling. If they can't get a solution to increase production this problem will get much worse.
 
I got the email from granger that the order banks were open. Based on how expensive they have become with no discounts and the non-refundable deposit I wont be putting in an order for a Ford. A local chevy dealer called letting me know they had an allocation and would accept the GM employee pricing, so I am going that route. I am hoping that it takes 3-4 months to get it built and to the dealer so i can see what happens to diesel prices after midterms and see if sales drop off. Hoping the majority of buyers drop off so discounts come back.
 
If supply doesn't catch up I don't think demand will not drop.
Keep us posted how your process goes.
 
Built a '23 in as close as I can get configuration to the '22 I ordered for price comparison sake, this is not the H.O. engine
MSRP on the '22 is $86,320

Price Info​

Base MSRP:S1$80,145
+ Options:S4$13,880
+ Accessories:S8$0
+ Destination:S17$1,795
= Total MSRP:S16$95,820
- Incentives:S3$0
= Estimated Net Price:S5$95,820


Here is the same truck but HO engine.

Price Info​

Base MSRP:S1$80,145
+ Options:S4$16,380
+ Accessories:S8$0
+ Destination:S17$1,795
= Total MSRP:S16$98,320
- Incentives:S3$0
= Estimated Net Price:S5$98,320
 
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My 22 450 only went from $87,479 to 2023 $88,860 similarity equipped with the HO engine 🤷‍♂️. I only paid around $80k with the X plan discount tho.
 
i'm not seeing where they listed the different ratings on the motors?


only thing i've seen so far is the HO diesel has a water cooler turbo.




*edit, found it;

standard 6.7 370/850
HO 6.7 420/ 1075
still wonder if its anything more than the turbo and tuning.
 
Std is 475/1050 and HO is 500/1200

That's a lot of money for that increase but I noticed in the SRW trucks they are limiting the HO package to certain rear axle ratios so it might be required equipment if you have rear gear preference.
 

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i found the turbo difference here;

maybe they are all water cooled? the ho one says water jacket the non HO doesn't?

and the motor pwr specs i posted here;

www.autoevolution.com

2023 Ford F-Series Super Duty Features New 6.8L V8, High-Output Diesel Confirmed

The rumors were true! Ford’s redesigned F-Series Super Duty won’t receive the Boss 6.2-liter V8 of the outgoing model but a brand-new 6.8 der...
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CarterKraft said:
Std is 475/1050 and HO is 500/1200

That's a lot of money for that increase but I noticed in the SRW trucks they are limiting the HO package to certain rear axle ratios so it might be required equipment if you have rear gear preference.
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I'd think for alot less than 13k you could just add a tuner to the non HO motor and and come up with very similar or higher HP/TQ numbers.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I'd think for alot less than 13k you could just add a tuner to the non HO motor and and come up with very similar or higher HP/TQ numbers.
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The $13k difference is from 7.3 gas to 6.7 HO, STD 6.7 to 6.7 HO is around $3k.
 
tracyb said:
maybe they are all water cooled? the ho one says water jacket the non HO doesn't?
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huh, maybe they put water around the turbine housing like they do on boat turbos, iirc the 6.7 ford is a hot V engine with the exhaust in the middle and the intake on the outside...

They pretty much all went to water cooled center housings with the dpf because you wouldn't get cool EGTs at low load and idle in order to cool off the turbo before shutting the engine off. Oil woud get cooked into coke after shutting the engine off and letting the hot turbine housing heat soak the center housing, the water jacket will naturally percolate like a coffee maker. Some use an electric pump on the turbo for after-shutdown cooling, but that's because they ran the hoses too stupidly for natural convection to provide flow...
 
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huh, maybe they put water around the turbine housing like they do on boat turbos, iirc the 6.7 ford is a hot V engine with the exhaust in the middle and the intake on the outside...

They pretty much all went to water cooled center housings with the dpf because you wouldn't get cool EGTs at low load and idle in order to cool off the turbo before shutting the engine off. Oil woud get cooked into coke after shutting the engine off and letting the hot turbine housing heat soak the center housing, the water jacket will naturally percolate like a coffee maker. Some use an electric pump on the turbo for after-shutdown cooling, but that's because they ran the hoses too stupidly for natural convection to provide flow...
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Yeah It's safe to assume water jacketed turbine housing is the change but hard for me to understand how that un-locked more hp/torque?
That must imply there is more BTU of cooling in the radiator(s) than they were using?
Honestly the thing gets pretty freaking hot pulling long grades in the heat, never told me it was too hot but the temps are elevated for sure.
 
CarterKraft said:
Yeah It's safe to assume water jacketed turbine housing is the change but hard for me to understand how that un-locked more hp/torque?
That must imply there is more BTU of cooling in the radiator(s) than they were using?
Honestly the thing gets pretty freaking hot pulling long grades in the heat, never told me it was too hot but the temps are elevated for sure.
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it is certainly just in the ECU maps and the additional cooling is just so that it'll hopefully last through the warranty period

the power isn't from the extra cooling of the underhood exhaust components
 
They might actually build it, window sticker is finally available.
The only obvious delete I see is the proximity sensors for the alarm.

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