NEC questions (home panel swap)

[fordguy]

I will always pay a reasonable price for a service. The amount I will pay is directly connected to the level of skill and knowledge or difficulty required, and this is simpy overpriced. I am not cheap, I am reasonable. If thats the case, I rather pay a large company 15% more and go with them, over a one man operstion charging 85% of what they will.

 

[Animalmother]

Sounds like someone picked the wrong profession.

The electricians make too much money

 

[4xfiend]

The amount I will pay is directly connected to the level of skill and knowledge

You mean like knowing how to deal with a broken conduit that might be too high?

Or knowing if a step being in front of it will be a big deal?

$2000 has been the going rate for quite a while. I’m honestly surprised you’re finding anyone that cheap in today’s economy.

 

[M92PV4U]

You mean like knowing how to deal with a broken conduit that might be too high?

Or knowing if a step being in front of it will be a big deal?

 

[arse_sidewards]

Kinda funny how the electricians think basic geometry and planning ahead are a big deal.

 

[Animalmother]

Kinda funny how the electricians think basic geometry and planning ahead are a big deal.

I know. I laugh all the way to the bank. Although things would have to get pretty rough for me to ever want to dick around with residential work again. But nice to know the market is still there.

 

[fordguy]

You mean like knowing how to deal with a broken conduit that might be too high?

Or knowing if a step being in front of it will be a big deal?

$2000 has been the going rate for quite a while. I’m honestly surprised you’re finding anyone that cheap in today’s economy.

Found another who will do it for 2400 WITH a permit, thats good enough for me, and I can work with thay


As far as knowledge, so what? Every trade has proprietary skill. Conduit and a step, its not rocket science. Your average mechanic or IT guy has 10x the knowledge and ability over an electrician. Hell, valvetrain on a euro v8, now there is rocket science

Ironic, I dont know anyone who lives "well" and is an electrician by trade. Give me a fair price and Ill have work for you to do for days.

 

[Animalmother]

Found another who will do it for 2400 WITH a permit, thats good enough for me, and I can work with thay


As far as knowledge, so what? Every trade has proprietary skill. Conduit and a step, its not rocket science. Your average mechanic or IT guy has 10x the knowledge and ability over an electrician. Hell, valvetrain on a euro v8, now there is rocket science

Ironic, I dont know anyone who lives "well" and is an electrician by trade. Give me a fair price and Ill have work for you to do for days.

Okay if we are gonna compare apples to apples then my definition of a mechanic is the highschool burnout working at take 5 oil change the IT guy works at micro center

 

[jeeptj19992001]

Found another who will do it for 2400 WITH a permit, thats good enough for me, and I can work with thay


As far as knowledge, so what? Every trade has proprietary skill. Conduit and a step, its not rocket science. Your average mechanic or IT guy has 10x the knowledge and ability over an electrician. Hell, valvetrain on a euro v8, now there is rocket science

Ironic, I dont know anyone who lives "well" and is an electrician by trade. Give me a fair price and Ill have work for you to do for days.

On a sunday
Wow

 

[Chevy_man]

Kinda funny how the electricians think basic geometry and planning ahead are a big deal.

You're paying for my knowledge, not necessarily what I'm doing on any given day...
This includes code compliance, and making sure your shit shack doesn't burn down


I went from commercial to industrial to oil field to residential... Ironically the residential pays the best. However, I charge what I do to stay competitive. Right now the market in my area is $130-160/hr. Take home pay is $40-55/hr. Add benefits and cost is $100-120/hr. Per guy to make a decent living.

Don't want to pay the rate? That's fine, there's plenty of others that will. The rate includes a guy with a journeyman or masters license, bonding, insurance, and warranty. That all costs money, because government.

 

[Chevy_man]

Found another who will do it for 2400 WITH a permit, thats good enough for me, and I can work with thay


As far as knowledge, so what? Every trade has proprietary skill. Conduit and a step, its not rocket science. Your average mechanic or IT guy has 10x the knowledge and ability over an electrician. Hell, valvetrain on a euro v8, now there is rocket science

Ironic, I dont know anyone who lives "well" and is an electrician by trade. Give me a fair price and Ill have work for you to do for days.

So are you the mechanic or IT guy? Those both pay about half of what I make around here. Makes them look pretty dumb using 10x the knowledge for half the pay.

 

[Fueler]

Ironic, I dont know anyone who lives "well" and is an electrician by trade.

WTF planet do you live on?

 

[arse_sidewards]

It's always the people who's trades are most thoroughly gate-kept that have the farcically high opinions of themselves and what they do. Doctors, PEs, electricians, etc, etc. Add union to any one of those and it seems to act as a multiplier.

Electrician's current high wages are a reflection of the fact that for 20yr anyone worth anything got pointed at college instead of the trades and that the field is gate kept enough and requires sufficient English literacy that Pablo and friends haven't done much to drive wages down. Give it 20yr for supply and demand to sort themselves out and they'll be poor just like the steering wheel holders.

 

[Animalmother]

It's always the people who's trades are most thoroughly gate-kept that have the farcically high opinions of themselves and what they do. Doctors, PEs, electricians, etc, etc. Add union to any one of those and it seems to act as a multiplier.

Electrician's current high wages are a reflection of the fact that for 20yr anyone worth anything got pointed at college instead of the trades and that the field is gate kept enough and requires sufficient English literacy that Pablo and friends haven't done much to drive wages down. Give it 20yr for supply and demand to sort themselves out and they'll be poor just like the steering wheel holders.

 

[Chevy_man]

It's always the people who's trades are most thoroughly gate-kept that have the farcically high opinions of themselves and what they do. Doctors, PEs, electricians, etc, etc. Add union to any one of those and it seems to act as a multiplier.

Electrician's current high wages are a reflection of the fact that for 20yr anyone worth anything got pointed at college instead of the trades and that the field is gate kept enough and requires sufficient English literacy that Pablo and friends haven't done much to drive wages down. Give it 20yr for supply and demand to sort themselves out and they'll be poor just like the steering wheel holders.

It isn't hard. Pablo doesn't want to do it if it requires effort. It just takes 4 years, 8 text books, and a competence test (75 questions in 3 hours with Open book). Plenty of dumbasses have managed to get licensed.

I can't help it if Pablo is outside cutting stone and pouring concrete because they didn't want to put in any more effort than showing up every day.



Now, if you're ok with an unlicensed Doctor, you're just proving you are crazy.

 

[Dethmachinefab]

It isn't hard. Pablo doesn't want to do it if it requires effort. It just takes 4 years, 8 text books, and a competence test (75 questions in 3 hours with Open book). Plenty of dumbasses have managed to get licensed.

I can't help it if Pablo is outside cutting stone and pouring concrete because they didn't want to put in any more effort than showing up every day.



Now, if you're ok with an unlicensed Doctor, you're just proving you are crazy.

After dealing with a bunch of doctors recently I'd prefer the free market determine if he's qualified. I'd absolutely shop outside the system if I could. Their goal here is move patients through the system as fast as possible to collect the most money. I did have one uro doctor that was cool and I think it's just because he was autistic so he didn't have a choice but to be through.

And concrete is way harder to do correctly than electrical.

 

[fordguy]

WTF planet do you live on?

On a planet wherr I know 1000 people, and none of them are electricians.

Ill pay 2400 for a licensed guy to do it with a permit, but 2000 no permit guy can fuck right off. "not to burn the shaq down" that seems like it can be done with just common sense. Sorry, your knowledge aint the rocket science you think it is I am talking about trgular electricians, not linemen and such

 

[Animalmother]

Dont like the high prices? Thank everyone that wants to “work from home” vs getting off their asses to go do something past sitting on their ass in their pjs staring at a screen. If more people were not scared of doing work we wouldnt have a shortage of trademen right now.

No one claims it rocket science but it does require some effort. Which is a lot to ask from people in todays society.

 

[CarterKraft]

Sounds like someone picked the wrong profession.

The electrical contractor makes too much money

FIFY

 

[Chevy_man]

After dealing with a bunch of doctors recently I'd prefer the free market determine if he's qualified. I'd absolutely shop outside the system if I could. Their goal here is move patients through the system as fast as possible to collect the most money. I did have one uro doctor that was cool and I think it's just because he was autistic so he didn't have a choice but to be through.

And concrete is way harder to do correctly than electrical.

Spoken as someone who's never done electrical.


I've done both. Electrical takes a lot more knowledge.

Remember, I'm not only licensed to fix an outlet at your house. I'm also licensed to wire a motor in a classified location that needs to be explosion-proof to not ignite 100,000 barrels of oil...

 

[arse_sidewards]

Dont like the high prices? Thank everyone that wants to “work from home” vs getting off their asses to go do something past sitting on their ass in their pjs staring at a screen.

If you'd have gotten off your ass and passed calculus and a few other gatekeeper classes you could be working from home instead of working for the people who work from home.

If more people were not scared of doing work we wouldnt have a shortage of trademen right now.

Bullshit. Demand is easy to forecast with some error. It ain't hard to tailor your licensing rules to ensure there's never quite enough bodies needed and there's perpetually a shortage thereby artificially raising wages higher than those people are worth in a free market. This is how literally every licensing cartel works.

Truckers are a great example of the opposite. There is no licensing cartel because it's .gov licensing so anyone can start a school and crank out licensed drivers real quick and supply is always there to meet demand for services.

It it weren't for your licensing cartel you wouldn't make any more than a steering wheel holder does because you're not worth much more. Same goes for just about every licensed trade, not just electricians.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Remember, I'm not only licensed to fix an outlet at your house. I'm also licensed to wire a motor in a classified location that needs to be explosion-proof to not ignite 100,000 barrels of oil...

He manufactures and installs food manufacturing equipment. He likely knows as much or more about that shit than you do.

But by all means keep waving your 4" dick around like it's impressive.

 

[ApeEater]

Spoken as someone who's never done electrical.


I've done both. Electrical takes a lot more knowledge.

Remember, I'm not only licensed to fix an outlet at your house. I'm also licensed to wire a motor in a classified location that needs to be explosion-proof to not ignite 100,000 barrels of oil...

conveniently, I don’t need to worry about 100,000 barrels of oil blowing up at my house.

I wired my hot tub and pool myself, ‘cause it’s too expensive to bring in an electrician for small jobs.

 

[Dethmachinefab]

Spoken as someone who's never done electrical.


I've done both. Electrical takes a lot more knowledge.

Remember, I'm not only licensed to fix an outlet at your house. I'm also licensed to wire a motor in a classified location that needs to be explosion-proof to not ignite 100,000 barrels of oil...

Not knocking electricians, but more credit is due to concrete guys than usually given. If I had to pick one or the other that I could complete to a satisfactory level it would be electric. I know enough to get by but pay my electricians when needed.

All that sparky knowledge but did you ever learn to run a broom?

 

[KDXSR5]

If you'd have gotten off your ass and passed calculus and a few other gatekeeper classes you could be working from home instead of working for the people who work from home.


Bullshit. Demand is easy to forecast with some error. It ain't hard to tailor your licensing rules to ensure there's never quite enough bodies needed and there's perpetually a shortage thereby artificially raising wages higher than those people are worth in a free market. This is how literally every licensing cartel works.

Truckers are a great example of the opposite. There is no licensing cartel because it's .gov licensing so anyone can start a school and crank out licensed drivers real quick and supply is always there to meet demand for services.

It it weren't for your licensing cartel you wouldn't make any more than a steering wheel holder does because you're not worth much more. Same goes for just about every licensed trade, not just electricians.

I am not an electrician, but do run a group of electricians from apprentices up through masters. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying in this thread and I do a significant amount of my own personal electrical work. I don't understand your "licensing cartel" point. In Wyoming, electrical licensing is also .gov regulated licensing just like your trucker example. Maybe this is different in other states? Here is a copy/paste direct from the State of Wyoming website:

JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN EXAM

QUALIFICATIONS: For an applicant to take the Wyoming Journeyman electrician’s exam, the applicant must present evidence of 4 years (8,000 hours) of work experience in the electrical wiring industry and 144 hours per year, or 576 hours over a four year apprenticeship, of successfully completed electrically related classroom instruction obtained through a Department of Labor approved electrical apprenticeship training program. This work history must include evidence of experience in planning, laying out, and NEC and shall have been under the direct supervision of a qualifying electrician for a licensed electrical contractor. Electrical work experience is to consist of electrical installation in residential, commercial, and industrial categories. No more than 75% of the 4 years (8,000 hours) may be in any one category. Up to 2 years (4,000 hours) credit may be given for study of electrically related courses taken through an accredited school exceeding the 576 hours required. For electrical experience gained in the military to be considered, you must upload a copy of your DD-214 form in the application.

Exemption to education. An applicant for a journeyman electrician or master electrician license must also present evidence of 144 hours per year, or 576 hours over a four year apprenticeship, of successfully completed electrically related classroom instruction obtained through approved electrical apprenticeship training programs. If 576 hours of classroom instruction cannot be provided, an applicant may qualify for the exam if evidence of 10 years and 20,000 hours of on the job training experience as a licensed journeyman or master electrician is provided and approved by the Chief Electrical Inspector.

 

[Animalmother]

If you'd have gotten off your ass and passed calculus and a few other gatekeeper classes you could be working from home instead of working for the people who work from home.


Bullshit. Demand is easy to forecast with some error. It ain't hard to tailor your licensing rules to ensure there's never quite enough bodies needed and there's perpetually a shortage thereby artificially raising wages higher than those people are worth in a free market. This is how literally every licensing cartel works.

Truckers are a great example of the opposite. There is no licensing cartel because it's .gov licensing so anyone can start a school and crank out licensed drivers real quick and supply is always there to meet demand for services.

It it weren't for your licensing cartel you wouldn't make any more than a steering wheel holder does because you're not worth much more. Same goes for just about every licensed trade, not just electricians.

You are fucking retarded

 

[71PA_Highboy]

So I just had a licensed electrician come out and bid on:

Relocate Meter base
Work with Duke Energy to extend the current Feed
Install Manual Transfer Switch
Install new Main Panel
Wire it all
Pull permits
Less than 1 day outage.
Leave me alone and get it done.

NTE $2500.

Pic Here: https://irate4x4.com/attachments/20240703_065008-jpg.877491/

You may want to get additional quotes.. I seem to be getting more for less...

 

[fordguy]

So I just had a licensed electrician come out and bid on:

Relocate Meter base
Work with Duke Energy to extend the current Feed
Install Manual Transfer Switch
Install new Main Panel
Wire it all
Pull permits
Less than 1 day outage.
Leave me alone and get it done.

NTE $2500.

Pic Here: https://irate4x4.com/attachments/20240703_065008-jpg.877491/

You may want to get additional quotes.. I seem to be getting more for less...

Thats a solid price.

 

[fordguy]

You are fucking retarded

Are you licensed to say that?

 

[Animalmother]

Are you licensed to say that?

Yep