Modern professionalism and work ethic - Am I getting old or??

[Motorcharge]

And i am disagreeing with you. Wages have increased as things have became more expensive.

And you're free to do that, but you're wrong.

Yeah, wages overall have increased, but those increases have been completely outpaced by inflation for decades. Any simple inflation calculator makes that painfully obvious, even using the government's grossly underestimated inflation rates.

 

[Scooter]

And you're free to do that, but you're wrong.

Yeah, wages overall have increased, but those increases have been completely outpaced by inflation for decades. Any simple inflation calculator makes that painfully obvious, even using the government's grossly underestimated inflation rates.

They are now saying that using the old numbers (before it got politicized) inflation for 2022 was over 18% 18%

 

[Slander]

They are now saying that using the old numbers (before it got politicized) inflation for 2022 was over 18% 18%

Thank you money printing 2008-2023

 

[grumpy356]

They are now saying that using the old numbers (before it got politicized) inflation for 2022 was over 18% 18%

Trump, love him or hate him, bears some responsibility for this number.

Edit: the part that doesn’t track, is that the spending hasn’t seemed to decrease with the change in the value of money. People are still buying SXS and an old square body trucks are going for over 10k and not sitting on the market very long.

 

[Slander]

Trump, love him or hate him, bears some responsibility for this number.

IowaOffRoad response to that:

 

[clodhopper]

IowaOffRoad response to that:

tldr.

 

[Poriggity]

You manage at a truck stop correct?
Typically wages and hours scheduled are not up to par (this goes for techs as well).

Sheer amount of work put on a small group of workers is crazy (basically work for three people/keep quiet/make crap pay for it).

Not excusing their tardiness, but if you were making peanuts you would be better off looking for a better gig/investing into yourself versus being a cheerleader for a place that could care less for you.

Having driven all over the US, and having my work truck serviced at Speedco/Southern Tire Mart etc. while on the road these were my impressions.

This is a semi valid point. As a tire and lube tech, you're making 18-20/hr within your first 45 days after training. As a mechanic, they make between 60-90k per year depending on commissions. In the Midwest, where I'm at, that's a pretty liveable wage. Fast food workers are making $13/hr, so I'd say starting wage of $18-20 isn't horrible. And yes, I manage a Speedco. If we are fully staffed, honestly the work load isn't that bad per employee but I do expect you to be working for your entire shift, and sadly, most younger kids can't fathom why they can't sit and watch TikTok videos on the clock.

 

[Chkn]

I’m burnt out at work currently. Been in my position for 5 years and have lost most all of my motivation.

Example: We have yearly performance reviews and were graded from 1-5. If you crush every metric and your manager likes you you’ll get a 4. It is impossible to get a 5 as the company does not give them.

So you can kill yourself to get a 4 and earn a 4.75% raise. Or you can not kill yourself, get a 3 and get a 4.25% raise. The incentive for hard work is just not there. Not to mention this whole time inflation is at 7%+

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Trump, love him or hate him, bears some responsibility for this number.

IowaOffRoad response to that:

Edit: the part that doesn’t track, is that the spending hasn’t seemed to decrease with the change in the value of money. People are still buying SXS and an old square body trucks are going for over 10k and not sitting on the market very long.

Grumpy already did

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Pablo needs to go home.

If Pablo is legal he his home. When I used Pablo and Chad it was with the assumption Pablo was legal, because my kids go to school in a town where plenty of legal Pablo’s immigrated to.
But, that would have taken a few sentences so you had to guess that

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Why should we lower our standards of living to 3rd world conditions just because we've been flooded with cheap, illegal labor? Pablo is the reason there's no one worth a shit in the trades anymore. That's the result of 30 years of wages being kept artificially low which is another big piece of this puzzle.

See previous response.
You should live as rich as you want within your means. Many folks, young and old, want to live richer than their station in life and quality and value of work will take them. Instead of long looks in the mirror they bitch about their employer being cheap, demand minimum wage hikes, don’t try to work it out for themselves, and vote democrat.

 

[Levigarrett76]

Anyone participating on this forum, in this thread, is not giving it their all at work

 

[[486]]

goddamn five pages in a day? not reading all that shit

Trump, love him or hate him, bears some responsibility for this number.

Edit: the part that doesn’t track, is that the spending hasn’t seemed to decrease with the change in the value of money. People are still buying SXS and an old square body trucks are going for over 10k and not sitting on the market very long.

spending in terms of value has decreased though, you gotta look at money as a floating value and not a fixed one (this is why it is called a floating currency and not a fixed one)

those $10k project trucks are still selling because that 10k is the value that 5k would have bought you a few years ago, and what $2k would have bought you in '16

 

[IowaOffRoad]

goddamn five pages in a day? not reading all that shit

Do you suppose Austin hates this kind of traffic when it comes time to sell ads?

 

[JD Mark]

five pages in a day? not reading all that shit

At least it was better info than commie shit from Felix.

 

[Bebop]

I’m burnt out at work currently. Been in my position for 5 years and have lost most all of my motivation.

Example: We have yearly performance reviews and were graded from 1-5. If you crush every metric and your manager likes you you’ll get a 4. It is impossible to get a 5 as the company does not give them.

So you can kill yourself to get a 4 and earn a 4.75% raise. Or you can not kill yourself, get a 3 and get a 4.25% raise. The incentive for hard work is just not there. Not to mention this whole time inflation is at 7%+

That was my whole point all along.
Thank you.

Why should we lower our standards of living to 3rd world conditions just because we've been flooded with cheap, illegal labor?

If nobody was hiring cheap labor, we wouldn't have that problem.
As a society, America exhibits a hilarious dichotomy between the virtue preaching of "American made" and justifying buying the cheapest shit that's available on Amazon. INCLUDING ON THIS FORUM.

If we made that the financial prospect of an illegal worker were to be terrible, they wouldn't come.

 

[Bebop]

Pablo needs to go home.

Why?
So that lazy ass Americans can be shitty employees so that Sandy Johnson can bitch about the new generation not doing shit?
Pablo needs to pay his taxes and show the workforce that they should move their ass and work, otherwise someone else is gonna do the job and that won't be them.

 

[JD Mark]

If nobody was hiring cheap labor, we wouldn't have that problem.
As a society, America exhibits a hilarious dichotomy between the virtue preaching of "American made" and justifying buying the cheapest shit that's available on Amazon. INCLUDING ON THIS FORUM.

If we made that the financial prospect of an illegal worker were to be terrible, they wouldn't come.

I agree and have pointed that out to my "peers" at the VS sites. They all look for the cheapest price for oil or whatever at WallyWorld and then proceed to bitch about a customer leaving them for $20 (or whatever small amount).

I do my best to buy as much Murcan made stuff as possible. I also do not look strictly for the lowest price when working with vendors. I want good service and a quality product at a price that we can both be profitable with.

The way WallyWorld treats vendors is disgusting to me.

 

[JD Mark]

I’m burnt out at work currently. Been in my position for 5 years and have lost most all of my motivation.

I'm burnt out as well. Have been for over 15 years. Same position for over 20 years.

Yeah, I'm sure there are days/weeks that my employees see it, but I have to keep keeping on. I have a responsibility to them...they need an income so they can provide for themselves and their families. I have a responsibility to my customers.

I can't half-ass it because the employees or customers don't care about my problems.

That's what pisses me off about a lot of the comments in this thread. Bosses/employers are humans as well. They are not perfect in their leadership. They are not (all) making millions and living off their employees. They are not able to just give raises whenever and however much they would like. And yet many employees (obvious in this thread) think they are capable of doing everything perfectly, throwing money at whomever at will with no worries about the bottom line and not getting frustrated with stupid shit employees do.

A for instance. This morning I find a relatively new extension cord crushed under a tailgate. A move of 3 lousy inches and it would not be crushed. But someone was too stupid or lazy or both to move it with his foot so it isn't an OSHA violation now...or worse yet, someone gets electrocuted. I get it, mistakes are made...I make more than my share, but this one is just flat stupid.

 

[Bebop]

I agree and have pointed that out to my "peers" at the VS sites. They all look for the cheapest price for oil or whatever at WallyWorld and then proceed to bitch about a customer leaving them for $20 (or whatever small amount).

We do the same shit at work, for multiple million of $ contracts.
Drives me insane.

We have now outsourced as much shit as we can to the absolute lowest bidder, regardless of track record and ability to provide a good product on time and the people who care in the project team are left to deal with the mess.

 

[JD Mark]

We do the same shit at work, for multiple million of $ contracts.
Drives me insane.

We have now outsourced as much shit as we can to the absolute lowest bidder, regardless of track record and ability to provide a good product on time and the people who care in the project team are left to deal with the mess.

Fortunately, being the owner I can prevent that crap from happening.

My dad was big on price vs cost. And if one has to ask what the difference is, one shouldn't be making those kinds of decisions.

 

[DMG]

Why?
So that lazy ass Americans can be shitty employees so that Sandy Johnson can bitch about the new generation not doing shit?
Pablo needs to pay his taxes and show the workforce that they should move their ass and work, otherwise someone else is gonna do the job and that won't be them.

If Pablo is here legally without some bullshit program like birthright citizenship, fine. Illegal? Go the fuck home

 

[Bebop]

If Pablo is here legally without some bullshit program like birthright citizenship, fine. Illegal? Go the fuck home

If nobody would hire Pablo, he wouldn't last very long with no money.

 

[DMG]

If nobody would hire Pablo, he wouldn't last very long with no money.

So you are ok with illegals? Perhaps you need to think on it more or jump headfirst into a woodchipper.

 

[Bebop]

So you are ok with illegals? Perhaps you need to think on it more or jump headfirst into a woodchipper.

I am not.
And I've paid my dues to prove it.
But I think that making America attractive to illegals is not just a government problem. Citizens hiring and participating in actively making America a nice place to live for illegals bear a part of the responsibility.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Why?
So that lazy ass Americans can be shitty employees so that Sandy Johnson can bitch about the new generation not doing shit?

I have no idea when I became the old guy, but I guess here I am. To be fair, within the past two years I've noticed this issue from all age groups, old and young. At least the young guys have an excuse- they started their careers recently and had the covid shitshow as part of their on the job training.

If you look at my original post, I didn't specify age.

 

[XJlimitedx99]

I'm early in my career and my give-a-fuck is already dry. 29 YO, been working as a manufacturing engineer for 5 years. I sell my company just enough of my energy to make me feel satisfied that I'm not a total piece of shit, and nothing more. I collect my paycheck and I spend the rest of my energy on experiences that I will cherish for the rest of my life.

I really like my job, my employer, and my boss/coworkers. I also really like working. I love learning new skills and being able to help people. I am not a lazy person, but after about 20 hours of it, I'm ready to shift my focus elsewhere. I can be very high performance for short stints. I have no problem putting in the time when there is an actual emergency that calls for it. I cannot be very high performance for 40 hours a week, week after week, year after year, and when everything is a priority, nothing is. I don't give a fuck about anything anymore.

Why anybody would go "above and beyond" or put their all into a job that is based on punching a clock doesn't compute for me. Its one thing if you're an owner, or if you're getting paid by the job where more effort equals more reward, but I show up and leave at the same time everyday and get paid the same no matter what. The work never ends. There is no reason to "get ahead". I expend minimum energy because that is what I am incentivized to do.

I'm fucking burnt. I've become resentful and it has spilled into my personal life. Corporations have gutted so many perks and have cut quality out of the products and services they offer. Everything is about the bottom line, and its really starting to show in every aspect of life. Everything is caught in regulatory capture. It seems like nothing is working towards making life better globally.

edit: Sorry for the rant. I had intentions to make this a much more thought out response rather than the emotional BS I just spewed, but that's all I had the give-a-fuck to get out right now.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I sell my company just enough of my energy to make me feel satisfied that I'm not a total piece of shit, and nothing more.

Would you say things fall through the cracks when you're doing this? Like.. does the ball get dropped on things you're working on? Or is it just enough to keep things going?

 

[Steve300xcw]

I have no idea when I became the old guy, but I guess here I am. To be fair, within the past two years I've noticed this issue from all age groups, old and young. At least the young guys have an excuse- they started their careers recently and had the covid shitshow as part of their on the job training.

If you look at my original post, I didn't specify age.

Have seen both the shop kids and the 45-50 year olds that were both equally worthless. The older ones seemed to push for more money more often though. Lotta crying about doing what was asked of them, and not getting a raise for it At some point folks gotta realize that this is the job, and this is what it pays. Take it or leave it.

I cannot be very high performance for 40 hours a week, week after week, year after year, and when everything is a priority, nothing is. I don't give a fuck about anything anymore.

Winter gets rid of a lot of guys like that. Always called it the purge. Shit equipment went to auction, and the bare minimum guys were laid off

 

[IowaOffRoad]

I'm early in my career and my give-a-fuck is already dry. 29 YO, been working as a manufacturing engineer for 5 years. I sell my company just enough of my energy to make me feel satisfied that I'm not a total piece of shit, and nothing more. I collect my paycheck and I spend the rest of my energy on experiences that I will cherish for the rest of my life.

I really like my job, my employer, and my boss/coworkers. I also really like working. I love learning new skills and being able to help people. I am not a lazy person, but after about 20 hours of it, I'm ready to shift my focus elsewhere. I can be very high performance for short stints. I have no problem putting in the time when there is an actual emergency that calls for it. I cannot be very high performance for 40 hours a week, week after week, year after year, and when everything is a priority, nothing is. I don't give a fuck about anything anymore.

Why anybody would go "above and beyond" or put their all into a job that is based on punching a clock doesn't compute for me. Its one thing if you're an owner, or if you're getting paid by the job where more effort equals more reward, but I show up and leave at the same time everyday and get paid the same no matter what. The work never ends. There is no reason to "get ahead". I expend minimum energy because that is what I am incentivized to do.

I'm fucking burnt. I've become resentful and it has spilled into my personal life. Corporations have gutted so many perks and have cut quality out of the products and services they offer. Everything is about the bottom line, and its really starting to show in every aspect of life. Everything is caught in regulatory capture. It seems like nothing is working towards making life better globally.

edit: Sorry for the rant. I had intentions to make this a much more thought out response rather than the emotional BS I just spewed, but that's all I had the give-a-fuck to get out right now.

I was about your age when I started thinking about leaving my job I'd been at for 9 years. I don't think you are the guy some of us have been talking about.
You seem to be able to "turn it on" when necessary" which is better than not caring at all IMO. As someone who worked in manufacturing for 13 years in 2 different stints I know exactly what you are referring to, if it's in the context of large corp (which would be my guess as to where the prevailing attitude comes from). If you have talent, go find an up-and-coming company to work for, or one that is developing a new line or getting into a new market segment. I'm guessing, but it sounds like you are working on something mature where they are beating down all the margins.
You've got a long life ahead of you, it would be a shame to waste it on something you don't like.