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How many sets of D300 gears do you think JB sold per month to the general public up until MMW started buying them up in bulk?
 
JR4X said:
Just saw this on a TMI ad on Facebook. Owner of JB. Another ding in the story line if true, I wouldn’t know if it is or isn’t. Just a datapoint to add here.
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Well that’s different than what I’ve experienced from jb in the past. But the last few years that I’ve checked they’ve always had gears in stock on their site. So it’s probably true. Hoping tmi can do this right.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Behemoth use JB gears too? They were shipping fast and often in stock.
 
94toytruck said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Behemoth use JB gears too? They were shipping fast and often in stock.
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Yes, Behemoth does....and lead time is generally a few weeks (I think 5 weeks was what I was quoted) at most....but I'm not sure how much of that is Behemoth vs. JB's gears. Probably just depends on when you ask.
 
I hate to be that guy but for a lot of us that have been watching the advantage to a Atlas is they're still here. Buying something new and exotic is cool. Till the company folds up for some reason or changes hands. There's something to be said for a product that's been around for decades and still supports their product.
 
94toytruck said:
I hate to be that guy but for a lot of us that have been watching the advantage to an Atlas is they're still here. Buying something new and exotic is cool. Till the company folds up for some reason or changes hands. There's something to be said for a product that's been around for decades and still supports their product.
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I have a mmw 300 and just bought an atlas for the next phase. I’m done considering “boutique” vendors for transfercases. Stak,d&d, hero, mmw, first generation behemoth just to name a few that have came and gone with no customer support. That’s not what I want 10 years down the road.
 
Rangerrod said:
I have a mmw 300 and just bought an atlas for the next phase. I’m done considering “boutique” vendors for transfercases. Stak,d&d, hero, mmw, first generation behemoth just to name a few that have came and gone with no customer support. That’s not what I want 10 years down the road.
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As someone with two Hero 3speeds....I get exactly where you're coming from.
 
POR said:
The 300 market has really only ever needed a replacement case.. the 300 gearset is not comparable to atlas gearset strength. I've r&d this subject thoroughly lol. We've only ever had a 3.1 aftermarket 205 gearset available so I don't see why people whining for 4.1. Do toyota math then and get 1.whatever and add rangebox. Tyler I understand what your doing with the 205, kudos to you. Can't wait for a replacement case 300 for rock donkeys.
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What about the Lomax 4:1 gears for the D300? Visually, they look at least as strong as Atlas. Just wondering as the D300 is on my list for a tiny buggy b/c of the size.
 
Sean said:
What about the Lomax 4:1 gears for the D300? Visually, they look at least as strong as Atlas. Just wondering as the D300 is on my list for a tiny buggy b/c of the size.
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They are not.. you break the teeth on the middle shaft. Low max claim to fame was.. that shaft machined one piece vs friction welded like the Terra low was.. I've never seen or heard of that weld failing, it breaks the teeth. Atlas always has been and will be the upgrade for people breaking 300's. I'm not sure why that math has gone awry over the last few yrs. 300's live in portal cars and very very lightweight nonv8 buggies. The market needs the replacement case because when you wash that broken tooth through, it spreads and cracks the case. The low max gearset will fail in the same scenario as Terra gears even with the "20%" stronger claim.
 
POR said:
The crawler crowd doesn't really need a 205.. hence why tyler has his already selected gearing options. We already have atlas. The southeast boys and u4's will definitely benefit from the new 205.
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Need doesn't really factor into folk's "hobbies" IMO....obviously you have a differing opinion. I'm just saying people like options in the world of very custom builds, even if they aren't needed...

**EDIT**that doesn't mean it makes financial sense as a manufacturer to try and cater to those people's wants either though.
 
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Tyler@TMI said:
I strongly disagree, the Tera gears had a different gear profile and were of reduced strength compared to the Lomax 4:1 gears.

Stock case deflection amplifies this greatly. Solve the case problem and the 4:1 gears (at least the Lomax) are similar is strength to Atlas 3.8, 4.3, and 5.0 gears.
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Like I said I've really r&d this and my bank account says they break the same lol. I do agree with the stock case deflection. The gears were still failing in the mmw cases as well. Nice thing with the biillet cases is you can fix your broken gearset. My info is real world experience on my end. Just adding my experiences to the conversation with actually breaking all this junk multiple times.
 
Sean said:
Need doesn't really factor into folk's "hobbies" IMO....obviously you have a differing opinion. I'm just saying people like options in the world of very custom builds, even if they aren't needed...

**EDIT**that doesn't mean it makes financial sense as a manufacturer to try and cater to those people's wants either though.
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I totally understand and agree, can't control people and what they want especially in their hobbies. But yes my opinions are mine and mine alone. Some agree some don't. Either way I'll still live lol..
 
Food for some thought.. the atlas fits in pretty much anywhere the oem 300 lives, that was taken into consideration back in the day when designed. Was stronger than the 300.. almost as strong as 205. Previous replace cases for 300 were about the same dimensions as atlas case now. this 205 case is smaller than atlas but way stronger.. but this new 300 case is proclaimed as strong as 205.. essentially your 2 product lines are competing.. which is what AA figured out in the 90's when they dropped their 300 line..That is why atlas is still around... at least from where I'm sitting.
 
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Sean said:
No, but you're right in pointing out that 1.95 and 3:1 are probably fine.

I'd always thought the 205 was much larger than the Atlas. To see it's shorter in height, means one could save that height in the belly of a car which would make the overall height of the vehicle (and the CoG) lower....and it looks to be over an inch, which is a big deal when you're dropping the whole drivetrain by that amount.

For me (and just me personally) a 3:1 isn't low enough to really consider it though for my use case....but a 4:1 might be....or, if I had the room...a doubler would likely work really nicely...but a gearset wouldn't be required for that either. The draw to the 205 is the strength (obviously) even though I probably wouldn't need it...and I think that's the draw for most anyone looking at the option.
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Sean said:
No, but you're right in pointing out that 1.95 and 3:1 are probably fine.

I'd always thought the 205 was much larger than the Atlas. To see it's shorter in height, means one could save that height in the belly of a car which would make the overall height of the vehicle (and the CoG) lower....and it looks to be over an inch, which is a big deal when you're dropping the whole drivetrain by that amount.

For me (and just me personally) a 3:1 isn't low enough to really consider it though for my use case....but a 4:1 might be....or, if I had the room...a doubler would likely work really nicely...but a gearset wouldn't be required for that either. The draw to the 205 is the strength (obviously) even though I probably wouldn't need it...and I think that's the draw for most anyone looking at the option.
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I understand the lack of gearsets for 205, I actually was more focused on the 300 stuff lol.. guys with 500+hp don't want 4.1 or 5.0.. they have power to compensate. That's why I brought up the atlas market for the other gearsets.. if I was tmi I'd go full in on 205, multiple gearsets for it and wouldn't offer 300 anything honestly... buuut the market really needs a 300 replace a case.. mmw would still be in business had they just provided empty cases that were machined correctly.
 
POR said:
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I understand the lack of gearsets for 205, I actually was more focused on the 300 stuff lol.. guys with 500+hp don't want 4.1 or 5.0.. they have power to compensate. That's why I brought up the atlas market for the other gearsets.. if I was tmi I'd go full in on 205, multiple gearsets for it and wouldn't offer 300 anything honestly... buuut the market really needs a 300 replace a case.. mmw would still be in business had they just provided empty cases that were machined correctly.
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Yeah...agreed. Tons of power doesn't need a lot of gearing and would just break shit anyway.

As for the 300.....the fully built D300 Colossus from Behemoth is crazy expensive compared to the Atlas. A replace a case makes sense from that perspective.
 
JR4X said:
They are. And in gear ratio increments that blow away everyone else. Want 1.2381 they got you. Want 1.250. Still got you. I think all the 4400 UFO’s have them. Lighter smaller stronger than any 205 will ever be
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Actually saw a picture of a SCS with a reduction box in front of it the other day on one of the FB groups too.
 
JR4X said:
They are. And in gear ratio increments that blow away everyone else. Want 1.2381 they got you. Want 1.250. Still got you. I think all the 4400 UFO’s have them. Lighter smaller stronger than any 205 will ever be
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dont follow them much, so educate me. are they single or dual speed?
 
94toytruck said:
Actually saw a picture of a SCS with a reduction box in front of it the other day on one of the FB groups too.
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probably dykstra. he had a few posts and videos because he was under vented and lost a seal on the input allowing for trans/reduction/tcase to share
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just checked a link i sent to someone and it looks like he pulled it

edit - just kidding
 
mobil1syn said:
dont follow them much, so educate me. are they single or dual speed?
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The SCS itself is single speed but throw a Magnum under drive box on it to run KOH. They are modular. Joe built those cars to be as serviceable as possible in a hurry and they certainly are. The t-cases are divorced in the single seat cars. So the same case can be a fixed ratio for NorCal. Then for KOH they throw the range box on. Just unbolt the input and install the range box and shorter intermediate shaft. The SCS also doesn’t have any way to uncouple the front or rear drive for digs. It’s something you can add, disconnects but the case itself is little and simple.


It’s not exactly fair to compare them to a 205. A 205 has all the parts for hi/low and disconnect inside one case, shifters etc. The SCS is just a straight through with nothing but gears meant for processing mechanical violence.
 
JR4X said:
It’s not exactly fair to compare them to a 205. A 205 has all the parts for hi/low and disconnect inside one case, shifters etc. The SCS is just a straight through with nothing but gears meant for processing mechanical violence.
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simple i like it.

the weisman in the lasernut car has lo/hi but output/input are on the same gear so no digs or fancy stuff.
 
They also are pretty easy to swap ratios no? Or is that only the bigger mud truck ones?

Having something like a fixed 1.5:1 with a 2.7:1 crawl box, would probably be totally bitchen for a lot of people who aren't just racing.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
They also are pretty easy to swap ratios no? Or is that only the bigger mud truck ones?

Having something like a fixed 1.5:1 with a 2.7:1 crawl box, would probably be totally bitchen for a lot of people who aren't just racing.
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They are. They are quick change and some gear ratios change just by swapping the same two gears spots. Filthy Motorsports has them on them on their site.

www.filthymotorsports.com

SCS Gearbox Quick Change Straight Through 4x4 Transfer Case

SCS Gearbox Quick Change 4x4 Transfer Cases feature an all-gear design with a compact billet aluminum housing for maximum strength and reduced weight. Over 60 quick change gear ratios are available along with numerous input and output flanges.
www.filthymotorsports.com
 
the two gears it comes with will make 1.5 but reverse the order of the gears and changes it a 4.1 for example. at least thats how i understood it to work. very slick for sure.
 
I realize some people are just finding out about the SCS stuff for kinda the first time. They aren’t new. My dad had 4x4 SCS stuff in the 90’s. They’ve been around longer than AA. They’ve always been race/competition specific though. The SCS transfer case everyone is starting to use now, is a monster truck drop box someone thought to turn on its side and use as a t-case.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
the two gears it comes with will make 1.5 but reverse the order of the gears and changes it a 4.1 for example. at least thats how i understood it to work. very slick for sure.
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There is a bunch of of options for the fixed ratio from about 1:1 to 2:1, then you have a ton of options for the quick change ratios from 1:1 to almost 2:1. Then from about 1.1:1 to 1.5:1 you can swap gears quickly to reverse the ratio. So 1.1/0.9 to 1.5/0.75 roughly.

Then you have the option to add a shift able 2.7 magnum box in front of that.

So basically, you have almost unlimited options between about 10:1 to a tall overdrive.

They're pretty damn awesome really.

JR4X said:
I realize some people are just finding out about the SCS stuff for kinda the first time. They aren’t new. My dad had 4x4 SCS stuff in the 90’s. They’ve been around longer than AA. They’ve always been race/competition specific though. The SCS transfer case everyone is starting to use now, is a monster truck drop box someone thought to turn on its side and use as a t-case.
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I've heard of them for quite a while, but until recently, I thought they were pretty large. Which I believe they actually were.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
There is a bunch of of options for the fixed ratio from about 1:1 to 2:1, then you have a ton of options for the quick change ratios from 1:1 to almost 2:1. Then from about 1.1:1 to 1.5:1 you can swap gears quickly to reverse the ratio. So 1.1/0.9 to 1.5/0.75 roughly.

Then you have the option to add a shift able 2.7 magnum box in front of that.

So basically, you have almost unlimited options between about 10:1 to a tall overdrive.

They're pretty damn awesome really.



I've heard of them for quite a while, but until recently, I thought they were pretty large. Which I believe they actually were.
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very cool for sure.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
There is a bunch of of options for the fixed ratio from about 1:1 to 2:1, then you have a ton of options for the quick change ratios from 1:1 to almost 2:1. Then from about 1.1:1 to 1.5:1 you can swap gears quickly to reverse the ratio. So 1.1/0.9 to 1.5/0.75 roughly.

Then you have the option to add a shift able 2.7 magnum box in front of that.

So basically, you have almost unlimited options between about 10:1 to a tall overdrive.

They're pretty damn awesome really.



I've heard of them for quite a while, but until recently, I thought they were pretty large. Which I believe they actually were.
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Huge is an option. But small was always an option as well. The stuff in dads old mud bogger was smaller than what you see in the UFO cars and only had 3 gear’s total and wasn’t “quick change”. You had to pull the whole box and split it to change gears but even that whole process took maybe an hour.

For the monster truck boxes they have options in multiples of feet, not just inches.
 
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