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JR4X said:
I realize some people are just finding out about the SCS stuff for kinda the first time. They aren’t new. My dad had 4x4 SCS stuff in the 90’s. They’ve been around longer than AA. They’ve always been race/competition specific though. The SCS transfer case everyone is starting to use now, is a monster truck drop box someone thought to turn on its side and use as a t-case.
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They make tons of custom stuff too.
Scherer and TC are using one off boxes.
 
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Bebop said:
They make tons of custom stuff too.
Scherer and TC are using one off boxes.
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I wondered about You, TC and the bouncer stuff. Do you guys ever have any reason to have a hi/low range? Or 2wd even? I’d imagine a fixed case and spools F/R would do the intended job.

I’ve seen Bobby Tanner turn Atlas’s into shrapnel twice personally and that was a long time ago. I was watching busted knuckle vids last night and can tell from the impacts things are taking on those bounty hills there’s no atlas’s in the bouncer’s anymore.
 
JR4X said:
They are. They are quick change and some gear ratios change just by swapping the same two gears spots. Filthy Motorsports has them on them on their site.

www.filthymotorsports.com

SCS Gearbox Quick Change Straight Through 4x4 Transfer Case

SCS Gearbox Quick Change 4x4 Transfer Cases feature an all-gear design with a compact billet aluminum housing for maximum strength and reduced weight. Over 60 quick change gear ratios are available along with numerous input and output flanges.
www.filthymotorsports.com
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Dumb question as I know nada about SCS cases....from the pics the driveshafts both (f/r) look offset from center...is that with all cases or do they also have options for centered rear output and driver or passenger drop? I'd imagine with only two gears a centered rear isn't an option. Offset to the same side would be cool for guys wanting diffs on one side of the car.
 
Sean said:
Dumb question as I know nada about SCS cases....from the pics the driveshafts both (f/r) look offset from center...is that with all cases or do they also have options for centered rear output and driver or passenger drop? I'd imagine with only two gears a centered rear isn't an option. Offset to the same side would be cool for guys wanting diffs on one side of the car.
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Yes they do. We have one in our blazer.
www.scsgearbox.com

Straight Thru Transfer Cases - SCS Gearbox Inc

Straight Thru Transfer Case Quick Change Straight Thru Transfer Case Compact unit, 10.666 C/L 10 ¼” Flange To Flange 90 lbs Billet Aluminum Case Super Strong Ground Gearing Straight Thru Transfer Case Final Assembly Quick Change Straight Thru Transfer Case 9” high, 20” case length...
www.scsgearbox.com www.scsgearbox.com
 
Sean said:
Dumb question as I know nada about SCS cases....from the pics the driveshafts both (f/r) look offset from center...is that with all cases or do they also have options for centered rear output and driver or passenger drop? I'd imagine with only two gears a centered rear isn't an option. Offset to the same side would be cool for guys wanting diffs on one side of the car.
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I don’t think there’s a problem you can come up with that they won’t have a solution for. I think you can get both rear outputs at the same time like if you wanted to do a 6x6.

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JR4X said:
I don’t think there’s a problem you can come up with that they won’t have a solution for. I think you can get both rear outputs at the same time like if you wanted to do a 6x6.

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The amount of variation they can provide is impressive and honestly, the price is pretty competitive....
 
Sean said:
The amount of variation they can provide is impressive and honestly, the price is pretty competitive....
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I don’t think we’ve ever seen them in rock crawlers because there’s nothing to shift. That’s not their game. We always want to be able to do front and rear only. I don’t think that they have any interest in serving that market. So while the price is comparable to other things you’re used to seeing. It’s a less for more situation. You’re paying a premium for strength and serviceability. There’s no shift rails, shift forks, slide collars, syncros. And they’re noisey. I like the noise, but they are not quiet just FYI.
 
JR4X said:
I wondered about You, TC and the bouncer stuff. Do you guys ever have any reason to have a hi/low range? Or 2wd even? I’d imagine a fixed case and spools F/R would do the intended job.

I’ve seen Bobby Tanner turn Atlas’s into shrapnel twice personally and that was a long time ago. I was watching busted knuckle vids last night and can tell from the impacts things are taking on those bounty hills there’s no atlas’s in the bouncer’s anymore.
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Depends if you're talking trail bouncers or comp bouncers.

Competition stuff, almost everyone runs SCS
Trail stuff, we still need to move between obstacles so Atlas Race case or Hero is the choice for the high HP guys.

BK buggies are almost all Atlas Race case and haven't broken any.
 
Sean said:
Dumb question as I know nada about SCS cases....from the pics the driveshafts both (f/r) look offset from center...is that with all cases or do they also have options for centered rear output and driver or passenger drop? I'd imagine with only two gears a centered rear isn't an option. Offset to the same side would be cool for guys wanting diffs on one side of the car.
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my uneducated opinion on the matter solely based on observation.

atlas were ok and still are for the slow guys, why you ask? well when smashing hoops the rear is tracking and the front is floating (well it should be if your shock tune is any good) meaning your front and rear do not have equal traction. if you go back and track the history of the atlas becoming the weak link in u4 it is always the center gear that leaves the chat. the front is trying to do one thing, the rear another and the center quitting on the job. it seemed like the rear engine cars had a little more success and i would argue that is because they were using the front output to drive the rear so it was seeing less shock load and the front was direct from the input so it would take the shock load better.

when you marry the front and rear on the same gear they are theoretically seeing the drive speed. now does that mean you move the abuse downstream? i would argue that the you are using the loss of traction from a slight over drive as the fusible link at that point.
 
mobil1syn said:
my uneducated opinion on the matter solely based on observation.

atlas were ok and still are for the slow guys, why you ask? well when smashing hoops the rear is tracking and the front is floating (well it should be if your shock tune is any good) meaning your front and rear do not have equal traction. if you go back and track the history of the atlas becoming the weak link in u4 it is always the center gear that leaves the chat. the front is trying to do one thing, the rear another and the center quitting on the job. it seemed like the rear engine cars had a little more success and i would argue that is because they were using the front output to drive the rear so it was seeing less shock load and the front was direct from the input so it would take the shock load better.

when you marry the front and rear on the same gear they are theoretically seeing the drive speed. now does that mean you move the abuse downstream? i would argue that the you are using the loss of traction from a slight over drive as the fusible link at that point.
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sprag time
 
Wisconsinite said:
Do they add any support brackets/ mounting system? Or is it just hangin off the trans?
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Rear support too. I don't agree with it, but like everything, more than 1 way to skin a cat.
Both hanging. We had a lot of discussions about that.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
People saying an atlas is weaker or stronger than whatever case, are we talking the standard atlas or fully upgraded? Because last I heard, the full race case whatever cases were holding up pretty well to about everything short of 800+ hp u4 or bouncers? Obviously there are guys who can probably break one with a burnt valve 22r, but for the most part, I thought the full bling atlas was more on part with a 205?


I also agree with the 2:1 and 3:1 probably being fine for 90% of the 205 market. Either you are a rock bouncer or u4 and just the single case is enough, or you're a trail guy and will probably run a 2.7 crawl box anyway. I'd almost wonder if the 1.7 or 1.5:1 would be more of a seller than lower ratios for racing guys? :confused:
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In my head I compare race case to 205 and regular 300 lol
 
JR4X said:
I don’t think we’ve ever seen them in rock crawlers because there’s nothing to shift. That’s not their game. We always want to be able to do front and rear only. I don’t think that they have any interest in serving that market. So while the price is comparable to other things you’re used to seeing. It’s a less for more situation. You’re paying a premium for strength and serviceability. There’s no shift rails, shift forks, slide collars, syncros. And they’re noisey. I like the noise, but they are not quiet just FYI.
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You could do something dumb like driveline disconnects... but length of case sideways might be problem still? still no high range though, not that crawler crowd needs it.
 
POR said:
You could do something dumb like driveline disconnects... but length of case sideways might be problem still? still no high range though, not that crawler crowd needs it.
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I know lots of people who don’t need or want 1:1. Suzuki Samurai and Land Rovers high range isn’t 1:1.

1.2:1 - 1.4:1 - 1.6:1 is still high range.
 
JR4X said:
I know lots of people who don’t need or want 1:1. Suzuki Samurai and Land Rovers high range isn’t 1:1.

1.2:1 - 1.4:1 - 1.6:1 is still high range.
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I think more people would like ~1.4:1 that they realize, could always run taller axle gears.

Like Toyota and JK guys who feel 5.38s are great for 35 maybe 37s, but then run 40-42s and just deal with it.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I think more people would like ~1.4:1 that they realize, could always run taller axle gears.

Like Toyota and JK guys who feel 5.38s are great for 35 maybe 37s, but then run 40-42s and just deal with it.
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I think a large part of the reason so many rigs get under-geared is dumbness who are stuck in the past wanting a modern engine engine that has torque peak at 3k+ and hp peak at 5k+ go down the highway at 2000rpm or less and then exacerbating that desire by putting an exhaust that's too loud for a street rig on a street rig.
 
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Slander said:
As my lawyer put it when I filed for an LLC, your personal shit is only protected if you follow everything to a T. If you don't, it's pretty easy to pierce the corporate veil.
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This.

He's selling MMW assets, as his own.

There are no protections now.
 
Grendel said:
So, for those of you still out money to these scheisters, have you filed with the Trustee for their BK case?

I ask, as I hear they're liquidating assets... some of which may be done without the Trustee knowing. Meaning, he's stealing from his BK case and can go to jail.

Things like equipment, LoMax 4:1 kits, 32 spline front outputs, etc.




District of Wyoming | United States Bankruptcy Court

www.wyb.uscourts.gov www.wyb.uscourts.gov
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do what now?
 
Weasel said:
do what now?
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Contact his Bankruptcy court to get onto the file.

Then tell them he's selling off MMW assets, probably without Trustee approval.

Selling off MMW assets (things you may have a right to) violates corporate laws, he's taking on liability.
 
Weasel said:
I'm not seeing any current Bankruptcy on this register for Wyoming: Govinfo
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Then sue him (personally) in small claims court where you are.

As said, he's selling off MMW assets. There is no more LLC protection.

Pretty sure people have his address, too.

www.law.cornell.edu

long-arm statute

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

Legal Disclaimer: I am not your legal representation in this, BTW.
 
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