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Major Bridge in Baltimore Collapses After Being Struck by Cargo Ship

bgaidan said:
I wouldn't count on NPR actually reporting anything factual. There's no way that ALL new cars come through Baltimore. Maybe all cars for the East costs, but I even doubt that. I lived in Charleston in the 90's and there were tons coming through there.

Did they also find a way to tie this to climate change?
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New cars from europe probably come through that port as well as the southern ports. I would imagine all souther ports on the Atlantic side of Mexico are now way backlogged along with the rest of the east coast ports. Japanese cars I believe primarily come through the west coast ports.
 
87manche said:
apparently not uncommon for the tugs to leave once ship is underway in the channel.


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Look at the sparks/fire/explosion on the upper members of the truss when it start to go down. Right at 6:18 in that video.

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ERMRRGERD it was a controlled demolition.
Boat fuel can't melt steal beams.
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Motorcharge said:
Bridges, tunnels, parking decks, etc. I'll use them because there's not really another choice but I don't like doing it. Much rather go over a bridge than be in a tunnel or deck collapse though.
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So say your driving your car over the bridge and you have the situational awareness to realized that "Holy shit that ship is going to hit the bridge." or realize that the ship has hit the bridge and you're going into the drink, what do you do? I've heard of people going into the water in their vehicle and not being able to open the door to get out, or not being able to roll down the windows due to a shorted electrical system, so what do you do? Stay belted, roll down front windows, and hope the car is nose heavy and an air pocket will form in the back half of the cabin, (Sedan or 4-door truck), hit the water and climb out the open window to swim to the surface...in this case, in 47* water.

Any of you survival experts out there have another idea. (Not you Yota Up, you don't know shit about fuck).
 
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CDA 455 II said:
Exactly.

I read there were two pilots onboard?
Pilots usually live local.
Get a pilot that's pissed off/depressed/suicidal/in the middle of a divorce/going through bankruptcy etc, and you might end up with something like the F.S. Key collision.

It's happened enough in the airline industry.:eek:
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Except that river pilots aren't actually on the controls and are just giving instructions to the crew for navigational purposes - essentially acting as Captain.

Further, they would be so far from the impact that it would not even be close to suicidal.

Power failure caused this.
 
Roc Doc said:
So say your driving your car over the bridge and you have the situational awareness to realized that "Holy shit that ship is going to hit the bridge." realize that the ship has hit the bridge and you're going into the drink, what do you do? I've heard of people going into the water in their vehicle and not being able to open the door to get out, or not roll down the windows due to a shorted electrical system, so what do you do? Stay belted, roll down front windows, and hope the car is nose heavy and an air pocket will form in the back half of the cabin, (Sedan or 4-door truck), hit the water and climb out the open window to swim to the surface...in this case, in 47* water.

Any of you survival experts out there have another idea. (Not you Yota Up, you don't know shit about fuck).
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If it's a Tesla, you're fucked.

I'd say the chances of surviving the initial fall are pretty slim. And then, the rest of the bridge structure is likely coming down on top of you if you are still intact when you hit the water.
 
bgaidan said:
I wouldn't count on NPR actually reporting anything factual. There's no way that ALL new cars come through Baltimore. Maybe all cars for the East costs, but I even doubt that. I lived in Charleston in the 90's and there were tons coming through there.

Did they also find a way to tie this to climate change?
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I can confirm this is BS, as I'm moving thousands of cars each month through Jacksonville, amongst other ports.
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Japanese cars I believe primarily come through the west coast ports.
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They don't actually. Subaru and Nissan don't, not sure about Honda and iirc Mitsubishi shit is built in Mexico for NA.

Can't remember why, but it's less expensive to import cars through Eastern ports even from Asia.
 
Roc Doc said:
So say your driving your car over the bridge and you have the situational awareness to realized that "Holy shit that ship is going to hit the bridge." realize that the ship has hit the bridge and you're going into the drink, what do you do? I've heard of people going into the water in their vehicle and not being able to open the door to get out, or not roll down the windows due to a shorted electrical system, so what do you do? Stay belted, roll down front windows, and hope the car is nose heavy and an air pocket will form in the back half of the cabin, (Sedan or 4-door truck), hit the water and climb out the open window to swim to the surface...in this case, in 47* water.

Any of you survival experts out there have another idea. (Not you Yota Up, you don't know shit about fuck).
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Active preparation from such a statistically rare event probably isnt worth the brain time.

On the other hand, I have a glass breaker tool velcro'd under the driver seat of all my vehicles. So I might not follow my own advice....
 
Roc Doc said:
So say your driving your car over the bridge and you have the situational awareness to realized that "Holy shit that ship is going to hit the bridge." realize that the ship has hit the bridge and you're going into the drink, what do you do? I've heard of people going into the water in their vehicle and not being able to open the door to get out, or not roll down the windows due to a shorted electrical system, so what do you do? Stay belted, roll down front windows, and hope the car is nose heavy and an air pocket will form in the back half of the cabin, (Sedan or 4-door truck), hit the water and climb out the open window to swim to the surface...in this case, in 47* water.

Any of you survival experts out there have another idea. (Not you Yota Up, you don't know shit about fuck).
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Reminds me of this episode:
 
clodhopper said:
Active preparation from such a statistically rare event probably isnt worth the brain time.

On the other hand, I have a glass breaker tool velcro'd under the driver seat of all my vehicles. So I might not follow my own advice....
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I think about stuff like that. Like when I see a load of pipe on a flatbed, I want to pass and get the fuck away from a rig like that, while I see people happily driving behind or beside such a load of rolling, tumbling certain death.
 
Not worried about getting out of my JK in water. Knife with a glass breaker in the console and I don't think it would be all that hard to get the fiberglass top open enough to let water in assuming it doesn't crack on impact anyway. I'd be more concerned about being unconscious or broken limbs.

If I can get out I'm fine. Always been a strong swimmer and I generally don't lose composure when it matters.

All of that assuming I'm clear of debris, other cars, etc. That's probably the biggest issue.
 
CDA 455 II said:
Aren't most Asian vehicles built in the U.S. now?

To dodge the import tariff taxes?
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A lot are, but not all. Subaru only makes the Outback and Legacy here. Everything else comes from Japan. I know that same plant makes the Camry for Toyota. Most if not all Kia's are made in West Point, GA.
 
clodhopper said:
Active preparation from such a statistically rare event probably isnt worth the brain time.

On the other hand, I have a glass breaker tool velcro'd under the driver seat of all my vehicles. So I might not follow my own advice....
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I live in the desert. I used to carry a glass breaker in my door pocket for some dumb reason, I think because I saw it on a tv show pre 2010. I quit worrying about it 12 or so trucks ago.
 
Motorcharge said:
Not worried about getting out of my JK in water. Knife with a glass breaker in the console and I don't think it would be all that hard to get the fiberglass top open enough to let water in assuming it doesn't crack on impact anyway. I'd be more concerned about being unconscious or broken limbs.

If I can get out I'm fine. Always been a strong swimmer and I generally don't lose composure when it matters.

All of that assuming I'm clear of debris, other cars, etc. That's probably the biggest issue.
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I wonder how you can get a strong enough swing to shatter glass if your arm is underwater plus the fact that you are sitting cross-ways to the glass. And what if the air bag is in your face?

Maybe get the window open at the first sign of trouble.
 
subybaja said:
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Wow, good size perspective.

My first thought was "Would it be worth jumping out of your car and run?" Then I saw the entire span drop. Guess not.

ETA- my first thought was actually "Too bad for the old iron bridge. No way they'll rebuild one of those."
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I keep looking for the SWIFT markings on that ship.
 
bgaidan said:
Look at the sparks/fire/explosion on the upper members of the truss when it start to go down. Right at 6:18 in that video.

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ERMRRGERD it was a controlled demolition.
Boat fuel can't melt steal beams.
:flipoff2:
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Bridge probably has all kinds of electricity running through it, including high voltage, that could have been the explosion.

EDIT

Just saw an overhead shot, power runs separate from the bridge, but they would still have some power for lighting and such
 
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Motorcharge said:
They don't actually. Subaru and Nissan don't, not sure about Honda and iirc Mitsubishi shit is built in Mexico for NA.

Can't remember why, but it's less expensive to import cars through Eastern ports even from Asia.
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A friend of mine is a Longshoreman at the Port of Tacoma. He unloads ships loaded with Toyota(Lexus), Kia and Hyundai cars each week.
 
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Going to arrest some more homeowners for trying to get squatters out? Or maybe pass yet more gun laws?

Probably just some tips on how to skim $ from the rebuild.
 
NW CJ5 said:
A friend of mine is a Longshoreman at the Port of Tacoma. He unloads ships loaded with Toyota(Lexus), Kia and Hyundai cars each week.
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Yup Hyundai and Kia have huge parking lots on the port to stage cars for importation. Long before I met her my ex wife was a Kia car porter on that dock.
 
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Roc Doc said:
So say your driving your car over the bridge and you have the situational awareness to realized that "Holy shit that ship is going to hit the bridge." or realize that the ship has hit the bridge and you're going into the drink, what do you do? I've heard of people going into the water in their vehicle and not being able to open the door to get out, or not being able to roll down the windows due to a shorted electrical system, so what do you do? Stay belted, roll down front windows, and hope the car is nose heavy and an air pocket will form in the back half of the cabin, (Sedan or 4-door truck), hit the water and climb out the open window to swim to the surface...in this case, in 47* water.

Any of you survival experts out there have another idea. (Not you Yota Up, you don't know shit about fuck).
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Hard right turn to try and get clear of falling structure and other vehicles, hit the window switch on the way down, and make your peace with whatever higher power compels you at that moment.

Doesn't do much good if the sumbitch just falls right out from under you. Hit the window switch and hope for the best.
 
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