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I sell brake caliper parts....all my piston seals and all my phenolic pistons are US made. Most of my steel and aluminum pistons are made in Canada, but I get better service, faster delivery, and better quality out of China so I'm slowly making the switch there.
 
I think he's referring to some considering Made in America as Made in the USA.
Maybe, but there is so much horizontal integration between US/Canada/Mexico (and whatever we send the Messicans to build stuff there is one more dollar Pablo need not send Western Union:flipoff2:) that it's hard to parse out what is what in that respect. As I've stated previously, I'm happy that stuff is made in N. America at this point, because almost nothing isn't touched at one time by products/processes on either side of the northern and southern border.
 
So? Unless you say they are illegal aliens does it matter when they got off the boat or where from?
Not all illegal. But not American, either. Shipped over in droves to do the shittiest job possible for cheaper than we will do it. Just to send the money back home. Part of why QC has taken such a hit.
I've watched them crash CNC machines and just sit and wait for someone to happen to be walking by that can fix the fuck up, not call maintenance or a supervisor, nothing. Just have a seat and wait. All that the operator needed to do was put the part on the pins and bolt it down, then press go. How do you mess that up? I'd see it multiple times in one shift. The scrap rate of parts and tooling was stupid. Got to the point I'd go fix it for them. I'm not an operator. I was their because our supplier couldn't put enough bodies infront of machines to get the number of parts out the door in time. So some of us got out of our cushy desk jobs and went to work there to keep our parts moving. Just one story of many I have from personal experience.
 
I do a lot of federally funded projects with a buy America clause. American ductile iron pipe is significantly better quality, but the supply chain was miserable leading up to last season.

We had a brand new Chinese pipe burst under pressure testing last year and wipe out an entire road.
 
If your premise is correct, that we are not going to re-shore any of the low to mid level manufacturing, then those who are currently having the work done in China will still need to diversify their manufacturing base.
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Those yellow bars are in dispute, and recently China has largely confirmed the yellow bars don't exist. The abandonment of the one-child policy came too late and culturally there is pressure to not have kids. Also, see the lop-sided nature of the M-F ratio. Chinese labor cost has skyrocketed relative to the 90s. The main reason why stuff is still being produced their is the cost in building out manufacturing capacity elsewhere. Some companies have, mainly to Vietnam and other SE Asian countries, as well as India, but the Indian .gov isn't as supportive as 80s/90s China was for this sort of thing. Some is coming back to Mexico, but the Mexican workforce is also expensive in relative terms.
See Peter Zeihan's work on this. I don't agree with some of his politics or some of his solutions, but I believe he is good at identifying the problems.
India is the new China. It's already happening on a huge scale.
 
Not all illegal. But not American, either. Shipped over in droves to do the shittiest job possible for cheaper than we will do it. Just to send the money back home. Part of why QC has taken such a hit.
I've watched them crash CNC machines and just sit and wait for someone to happen to be walking by that can fix the fuck up, not call maintenance or a supervisor, nothing. Just have a seat and wait. All that the operator needed to do was put the part on the pins and bolt it down, then press go. How do you mess that up? I'd see it multiple times in one shift. The scrap rate of parts and tooling was stupid. Got to the point I'd go fix it for them. I'm not an operator. I was their because our supplier couldn't put enough bodies infront of machines to get the number of parts out the door in time. So some of us got out of our cushy desk jobs and went to work there to keep our parts moving. Just one story of many I have from personal experience.
This started 20 years ago with white dudes. Who trained Paki?
 
India is the new China. It's already happening on a huge scale.
Not as large of scale as you think, certainly not compared to China. India has less interest in it as a nation, and the supply chain infrastructure isn’t there yet. Considering much of the low cost stuff is shipped on Chinese vessels the Chinese government isn’t keen on shifting the shipping routes, in fact they’ve actively excluded India. You can’t snap your fingers and build out manufacturing infrastructure, container ships, and support infrastructure. India doesn’t even have the port capacity to load/unload anything on the scale of what China does, and India has shown much unwillingness to partner with western companies the way China has historically.
 
Thank you. I left milwaukee out for reasons and I had to leave Smith and Rouge out because I saw they were domestically owned but I did not see anywhere that their products were American made. If you can find that, I'll put em up there.

All others made the list and a lot of the products look really good! Thank you for the suggestions

It's hot and miss with S&R. Some stuff is us made others is else where. They have some stuff that comes from New York and some from Peru.

My daily wear Made in USA


Jeans
Originusa.com
Boots
Danner
Anderson Bean
Socks
Darn tough
Watch
Sangin Instruments


Anyone got a lead on shirts and boxer briefs?

Triple Aught Designs
First Spear
XGO
DriFir
Mastiff (sp?)
Beyond
Trex Arms

They all have some lines of US made products.
 
Riddle me this - over the past few decades we have heard of more and more manufacturers moving to Mexico, China, etc and yet here we are in 2024 with a thriving and growing North America, high employment, high inflation because people have lots of $$ to spend. If all these jobs have been lost, shouldn't the US economy be shrinking or at the very least stagnant?

america is in the business of making ideas at this point in time. so instead of parts shuffling on the floor, we have switched to paper pushing.

complete assumption/observation.
there is an entire new workforce in the warehousing, due to all the stuff being massed produced somewhere else. so the shift of line work in mfg has shifted to moving boxes that came from overseas around a warehouse so they can go the last mile. locally there was a lot of aerospace mfg in the 70/80s that has all but gone away and massive amounts of tiltups of warehouse space.
 
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horrible business model but I think your right.

Really sucks when all those warehouse are empty and you don't have jack squat onsite to do anything about it.
 
america is in the business of making ideas at this point in time. so instead of parts shuffling on the floor, we have switched to paper pushing.

complete assumption/observation.
there is an entire new workforce in the warehousing, due to all the stuff being massed produced somewhere else. so they shift of line work in mfg has shifted to moving boxes that came from overseas around a warehouse so they can go the last mile. locally there was a lot of aerospace mfg in the 70/80s that has all but gone away and massive amounts of tiltups of warehouse space.
A lot of the brain work and consulting is being replaced by AI now. We were all afraid of blue collar work being replaced by robots but it's the other way around.

Not bashing logistics work though. Repairing those systems is my work.
 
If I won the big $ Powerball/Megamillions my idea was to make an amazon, but of only american made and sourced products. Not just a sticker tacked on at the end of manufacturing but a tried and tested and actually made here in good ole US of A.:usa:
No idea if this is any good, but it's there:

 
what gets me is shit that's moved all over the globe for seemingly no reason, like this
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Dads boss is dealing with this right now, hes building a house and was specific that he wanted American made flooring. Allegedly it was made or grown here, then shipped to fucking China to be stained and finished, and is now waiting at the docks in British Columbia... :homer:
 
someone mentioned origin. they have an interesting story and as it you unpack it, it becomes evident that if they would have waited 2 or 3 more years to start they would not have had access to the people with the knowledge/skillset to make what theyre doing happen.
That was me. I haven't followed closely enough to know if those old hands are still around, but Origin definitely got while the getting was good. The craftsmen who taught the new breed there are aging out just like other tradesmen.

Edit: Might have been me. I see Origin was mentioned elsewhere.
 
what result were you expecting?

$100/hr is what ive heard multiple business owners say it costs to employ someone give or take depending on location and industry. 50% of that is insurance and bs. if you want more stuff to be made domestically then you need to start pushing on the govt to stop govt’ing.

as for plumbing/wiring look into govt and military suppliers.

i can think of one company in the offroad market that came in and wiped out the competition with piss poor overseas products that they back with a decent enough warranty to make people forget about the poor quality, then slowly bought up their competition after stealing their market share, and rebranded with low enough prices and a few american made products that the large market doesnt know about their nasty beginnings and theyre stronger than ever.

business people business, fabricators fabricate, very rarely can a business
person fabricate or a fabricator business. the ones who can do both have a very small base of people that can afford them and do well.
I bought from Marlin, Bobby Long, All Pro, Sky, BudBuilt and some others, but Trail Gear never got a penny from me. I don't remember who said it, "If Trail Gear sells it, I don't need it".
 
Darn tough socks
Filson wool
Stormy Kromer wool
Double H boots
Carolina Domestic boots
Leatherman
Kershaw USA

Those are some of my top used products.
Thanks. Got them on the list. Some left out due to reasons.
 
Check out Homer Laughlin fiesta ware for an addition to the cookware list. Great stuff.
 
It depends on what it is. Edelbrock and Holley (among many others) are getting a lot of raw castings overseas as the volumes they are needing outstrip the capacity of domestic foundries. I don't blame them, so long as the QC and the final machining are done here, and its not like they have the capacity to start their own foundry. If we were smart, some of that BBB infrastructure spending should be spend backing some loans for domestic foundry capacity. Not for the .gov spending, but if they are gonna spend it anyway it'd be better if we got something useful.

Don't delete it, let it play out. I think it will turn around.
Not sure why this isn't more well known and maybe someone already corrected it but Edelbrock has a large foundry not from from me here in SoCal. They also go from raw castings to finished parts for aftermarket and the OEM side. One product they do or did is the complete supercharger for one of the Dodge hot rods.
 
Not sure why this isn't more well known and maybe someone already corrected it but Edelbrock has a large foundry not from from me here in SoCal. They also go from raw castings to finished parts for aftermarket and the OEM side. One product they do or did is the complete supercharger for one of the Dodge hot rods.
Is this for all their products? I remember an interview with an edelbrock exec 15 years ago in HRM where they said that they were getting raw manifold castings for some products (I thought the performer line) from Asia and doing the final machining and QC here. Maybe they have the capacity to do it all here now?
 
I have a pair of :usa: Chippewa boondockers.

Too bad that the company relocated to Viet Nam. I've tried those & they don't fit. I guess the c*** hair measurement anecdotes are definitely validated-
 
Is this for all their products? I remember an interview with an edelbrock exec 15 years ago in HRM where they said that they were getting raw manifold castings for some products (I thought the performer line) from Asia and doing the final machining and QC here. Maybe they have the capacity to do it all here now?
I'm not that familiar. I wouldn't even know they had a foundry and inhouse machining had I not run into the manager of the machine shop. I was helping him with a vehicle for his daughter and got some of the story. I was very surprised to hear they had a foundry in SoCal and could come even close to staying in business due to CARB, and or being competitive enough for the aftermarket or OEM. The biggest surprise was them doing water pumps from start to finish.
 
america is in the business of making ideas at this point in time. so instead of parts shuffling on the floor, we have switched to paper pushing.

complete assumption/observation.
there is an entire new workforce in the warehousing, due to all the stuff being massed produced somewhere else. so the shift of line work in mfg has shifted to moving boxes that came from overseas around a warehouse so they can go the last mile. locally there was a lot of aerospace mfg in the 70/80s that has all but gone away and massive amounts of tiltups of warehouse space.
If you are wrong, it isn't by much. I know a few folk in that industry and that warehouse footage turned into distribution centers with import labor. An example of something they do very large amounts of are the product displays for Home Depot that change all the time. Containers go from the port to their facility, they break them down and assemble and then load with product. They have a list of all the HD stores that get the goods, they ship them out. They do that for a wide variety of stores and products, all imported and done with imported labor. The company hires no one but management. They contract with temp agencies for labor and just pay the mark-up to not have to deal with the illegals.
 
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