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There's a max on a loan against your 401k loan. It's like $50k or $100k. Not enough to buy a house.


Taxes and early withdrawal penalty usually make that shit not worth it if you crunch the numbers.
You can do a self-directed IRA… I don’t completely understand it, but I know that that gives you the ability to somehow invest in real estate.

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Here is a Forbes article

Yes, You Can Invest In Real Estate With Your IRA Or 401(k)​

Patrick GrimesMar 30, 2022,
Patrick Grimes is the founder of Invest on Main Street, a private equity firm managing passive multifamily investments in emerging markets.

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Weekly, handfuls of investors come to me with the same set of issues. They’re frustrated that their retirement accounts aren’t performing well, and they’re fearful that they aren't protected from market volatility and rising inflation. They wish they could diversify into real estate, but all of their funds are trapped in their employer's 401(k) or their financial planner’s IRA until they are 59.5 years old. Additionally, they’re too busy to become landlords and, instead, prefer to spend their free time with family and friends and hobbies.


What is little-known by the middle class but highly exploited by the wealthy is that this is simply not the case. While you’re not able to spend the funds in retirement accounts before 59.9, at least not without significant penalties, you can roll those funds into self-directed IRAs or 401(k) plans and use them to invest in real estate and other alternative assets.

Additionally, while these plans allow the option to become a DIY landlord and spend the golden years dealing with tenants, toilets and trash, they also open up a wide range of completely passive real estate investment options through private equity firms that provide the same advantages as direct ownership without the headache.


Why Everyone Isn’t Using Self-Directed Retirement Accounts

Middle-class Americans aren’t aware of these options because their employers’ 401(k) representatives only provide retirement plans with a limited menu of traditional investments such as bonds, mutual funds, index funds, stocks, etc. Even if the investor has sought professional investment advice, they are typically only informed of similar types of investment products, mainly in the stock market, which allow the institutions or investment professionals to collect commissions and fees.

How To Invest In Real Estate With Your Retirement Funds

The first step is to identify a company that will help you set up your self-directed account. These are known as custodians, and they are typically very helpful in identifying what type of self-directed account is best for you and facilitating paperwork to do the rollover.

If the investor doesn’t have a custodian in mind and their current plan administrator doesn’t offer self-directed options, then I recommend seeking a referral, asking the fund managers they are intending to invest with, or Googling the keywords SDIRA, solo 401(k) and eQRP.

Types Of Self-Directed Retirement Investments

A self-directed IRA or 401(k) allows investment in a variety of alternative assets outside of the typical stocks, bonds and mutual funds.


Some of these include:

• Real estate

• Cryptocurrency

• Precious metals

• Promissory notes

However, some investments are considered forbidden transactions that you’re not allowed to invest in with a self-directed IRA or 401(k). It is important that you work with your custodian to make sure you don’t invest in forbidden transactions. Examples of these include:

• Collectibles like art, gems and more

• Life insurance


• Investments with disqualified persons (like investing in your family’s business)

• Self-dealing, in which you or your family personally benefit today from the investments, such as buying a personal vacation home.

Enhance Your Returns With Leverage

An advantage of buying real estate is that you can use it as leverage. You can take a portion of your retirement account funds and use it as a down payment, then borrow the rest via a mortgage, which increases buying power and accelerates growth.


For example, if an investor puts a $100,000 down payment on a $500,000 property, not only is the rental income likely to increase but, instead of owning a $100,000 asset outright, their wealth has the potential to grow at 5x the rate as the $500,000 property appreciates in value.

However, if the retirement account is small compared to the loan, lenders might be hesitant to approve the loan. Investors get around this by investing in a private equity fund or real estate syndication that buys large assets and can qualify for large loans. These investments are typically passive.

Passive Real Estate Investing With An IRA Or 401(k)

Self-directed retirement funds can be used to invest passively in commercial assets, such as multifamily apartment communities, retail, office, self-storage, etc. Since these acquisitions are typically out of reach for the size of most retirement accounts, investors may choose to invest with a sponsor, such as private equity firms that put together real estate syndications and pool together investors' capital to acquire larger assets. These types of investments allow the investor to remain completely passive, reaping the benefits of investing in larger real estate assets without having to be a landlord.

Risks Of Self-Directed Retirement Accounts

All investments come with risk, and self-directed investments are no exception. If you’re using a self-directed account to invest in real estate, take extra care to be a good steward of your retirement dollars.


In addition to avoiding self-dealing and forbidden transactions, keep in mind that a balanced portfolio is generally a safer portfolio. Traditional retirement accounts are usually heavily weighted in the stock market, which provides limited protection from inflation and market volatility. Choosing to roll over some of the funds from a traditional IRA or 401(k) and into a self-directed retirement account can open up opportunities to balance your portfolio.

Enjoy Greater Control Of Your Financial Future

People ask me all the time, “How can I save up the funds to invest in real estate?” I reply, “You already have them!” When you create a self-directed retirement account and use it to invest in real estate, you have more control over your own future financial picture and may be less vulnerable to market volatility. After all, it’s your retirement, and you deserve to have every option for growth available to you.
 
1) you probably are similar to most here, not "normies" and probably run with other similar not normies, who have similar alt views and wants

Alternate ending. You said they want x not they did buy...

2) To quote realtors "buyers are liars" They fold and take the easy path. Because they wuss out, pressure from the wife, or unable to secure lending. And wind up in another 2024 builder grade POS up to their ears in debt
Ah, yes, quoting realtors. A strong indicator of an upstanding person. :lmao:

The housing markets are different region to region. I can't think of anybody who's bought a house less than decades old. There has been basically no new single family construction here since '08. It's all duplexes and townhouses that get bought up by some LLC and rented out.
 
Was talking to a friend in real estate finance, I can venture that she knows 1000x more about what she's talking about than you :flipoff2:
She's also a piece of shit because real estate. If you don't think for a second she'd lie her way through telling someone to straight up pull out money and get fucked by the penalty you don't know how these people work. They're basically buy here pay here salesmen with the decimal moved to the right a bit.
 
You can do a self-directed IRA… I don’t completely understand it, but I know that that gives you the ability to somehow invest in real estate.
Yeah that's probably the loophole. You're still gonna get fucked out of 20-30% if you try and move money from a 401k to one though.
Edit: now that I think about it you'll almost certainly get fucked out of >30% if you do it all at once because of how much income that would represent.

A self directed IRA is exactly what it sounds like.

Edit: Basically you're tacking the IRA tax rules onto what would otherwise be a normal investment. You buy some shit with your SDIRA, sell it in retirement and don't pay taxes on the withdrawal from the IRA into your accounts because it's like any other IRA withdrawal.
 
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She's also a piece of shit because real estate. If you don't think for a second she'd lie her way through telling someone to straight up pull out money and get fucked by the penalty you don't know how these people work. They're basically buy here pay here salesmen with the decimal moved to the right a bit.
Shes a piece of shit for working for a title company? Stop doubling your morning dosage of retard pills, would you?
 
Shes a piece of shit for working for a title company? Stop doubling your morning dosage of retard pills, would you?
Someone's got their panties in a knot. :laughing:

Everyone in real estate is shit in direct proportion to how close to the realtors they are. :flipoff2:
 
In other news, got quoted $412k to build a modular 1600sqft ranch style. That includes foundation and site work, not including land, driveway or septic
 
The price for the home , transport to site, crane onto foundation, int/ext finish work, $270,700. So $141k of foundation, HVAC, plumbing, ect
Add 20kish for septic, if paying someone else, driveway call it 10k. Power to site?

The house i live in now is on 10 acres, my father and I built it in 94. 1200ish square feet 1and a half bath. Cost all in around 170k, if built by a gc, 220ish at that time.
Fuck time flies :mad3:
 
If you wanna spend a weekend doing track motors in a backhoe you can borrow mine and knock that foundation for pennies on the dollar. :flipoff2:
 
Add 20kish for septic, if paying someone else, driveway call it 10k. Power to site?

The house i live in now is on 10 acres, my father and I built it in 94. 1200ish square feet 1and a half bath. Cost all in around 170k, if built by a gc, 220ish at that time.
Fuck time flies :mad3:
Just did a septic before I sold the old house 2bd1ba was $25k, this is 3bd2ba so expecting $30k. House isn't far off the road, power shouldn't be a huge issues, just the extortion fee from the power co.

I have access to excavator and FIL works for a paving company. Site work and driveway I can do for near nothing.
 
Found out recently these cash buyers are using their 401k to borrow from to do so, then scramble to get a mortgage after the closing to get the 401k paid back in the allotted time. Think the number was 3 months?
The 401k withdrawals are an expe$$ive pain in the ass and not the best idea. There is a much better way to be cash buyers if you're financial stable.

What you do is take your investment portfolio (or rental portfolio ) and get a pledged asset line (PAL) at a little above the trad mortgage rate. Now you effectively have a giant pile of cash without selling anything or incurring any gains.

Buy the house with the cash from the PAL then convert it into a traditional mortgage at your leisure to drop the interest, make the loan not callable, etc. It barely costs more than starting with a trad mortgage, but now your the cash buyer who actually gets the property. It skips past the bank needing to asses and assign value to the property during the closing (as it's your assets not the property backing the loan). It greatly speeds up closing times, hell you could basically close in a day or two if you didn't want any inspections etc.

Even better your PAL & or margin loans have tax deduction if done right.
 
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You can do a self-directed IRA… I don’t completely understand it, but I know that that gives you the ability to somehow invest in real estate.

Edit:
Here is a Forbes article
You can only buy investment properties through the self directed IRA, not a primary residence for yourself FYI.
 
Yeah that's probably the loophole. You're still gonna get fucked out of 20-30% if you try and move money from a 401k to one though.
Edit: now that I think about it you'll almost certainly get fucked out of >30% if you do it all at once because of how much income that would represent.

A self directed IRA is exactly what it sounds like.

Edit: Basically you're tacking the IRA tax rules onto what would otherwise be a normal investment. You buy some shit with your SDIRA, sell it in retirement and don't pay taxes on the withdrawal from the IRA into your accounts because it's like any other IRA withdrawal.
Except you can't buy a primary residence through a self directed IRA just investment properties. So for most who are taking about buying their primary residence, it doesn't work.
 
My thinking on the cash buying thing - If people are going crazy trying to outbid each other, more likely or not, the house of cards is not going to last.
 
Except you can't buy a primary residence through a self directed IRA just investment properties. So for most who are taking about buying their primary residence, it doesn't work.
I was thinking people like ProjectJunkie who are buying slums but don't have the liquidity without touching retirement assets and aren't engaged in activity productive enough to support the interest a commercial loan would be.


Of course, there's also the California people who are using tricks like that to cash buy "vacation house" in Idaho or some suburb of Phoenix and then selling their house in CA.
 
My thinking on the cash buying thing - If people are going crazy trying to outbid each other, more likely or not, the house of cards is not going to last.

IMO 2024 is tracking with 2008, election year, rates raised last summer after 4ish year housing boom, new subdivision work hit a wall with the rate increases, all the shiny 3 year old cars have bald tires, the repo man is hunting, there is a boom in commercial building and roads that follows the housing boom, ie, housing is rolling over, but the existing new neighborhoods still need expanded infrastructure



I think there's cash on the sidelines for a Trump win, though the swamp will try and scuttle it, both the win, and the "MAGA"

If the democrats pull off the cheat, I think a lot of things grind down, lots of money gets printed, lots of boondoggle cash for clunkers, solar wind farm, down payment assistance for brown people bullshit. Print to the moon. Ww3, which is good for business and reducing unemployment




*Trump isn't strong dollar people either. In general that's a bad thing. But in an odd way, if you're 40t in debt and in a recession, fuggit, reindustrialize the country and have congress print away that debt
 
I was thinking people like ProjectJunkie who are buying slums but don't have the liquidity without touching retirement assets and aren't engaged in activity productive enough to support the interest a commercial loan would be.


Of course, there's also the California people who are using tricks like that to cash buy "vacation house" in Idaho or some suburb of Phoenix and then selling their house in CA.

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You can only buy investment properties through the self directed IRA, not a primary residence for yourself FYI.
I thought that was understood,

But these are the people beating you out on property you want as a primary residence.
 
Yeah that's probably the loophole. You're still gonna get fucked out of 20-30% if you try and move money from a 401k to one though.
Edit: now that I think about it you'll almost certainly get fucked out of >30% if you do it all at once because of how much income that would represent.

A self directed IRA is exactly what it sounds like.

Edit: Basically you're tacking the IRA tax rules onto what would otherwise be a normal investment. You buy some shit with your SDIRA, sell it in retirement and don't pay taxes on the withdrawal from the IRA into your accounts because it's like any other IRA withdrawal.
I think you got this fucked up.

You are rolling a 401k to an IRA. You never have access to the money for personal, immediate use.

You pay the tax when you dissolve the IRA.
 
I thought that was understood,

But these are the people beating you out on property you want as a primary residence.
Or people using a temporary pledged asset lines of credit. That's what I did for my last home purchase so I could be a "cash buyer" even though I wanted to use a traditional mortgage.

I bet using PAL are far more common than self directed IRAs for buying houses.
 
yall have me looking into a pal.
The best part about them is you can open them, and not use them at no cost. You just keep a massive line of credit open so whenever you need it, you have instant cash.

Need a used excavator tomorrow, cash? Don't have 80k sitting around? Use your PAL, then you can figure out the most financially prudent way to pay it off.
Example: it might be worth paying a month or two of PAL interest to get you the equipment today (cash) and use cash flow / minimize capital gains as you pay off the line of credit.

Obviously this is only a tool for the financially literate & responsible. There more $$$ you have, the lower the interest rate on a PAL.

People who believe in retail therapy or Dave Ramsey types need not apply:flipoff2:


Tldr: Lots of the "Cash buyer" types buying homes out from under folks needing mortgage are not truly "Cash only". They just have different financial vehicles setup.
 
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We had to pull from our IRA. The penalties are not that bad.

100% worth it to pull out and buy real estate IMO. Especially now.
 
Price to income ratio is the highest it's been in at least 70 years. That's not an avocado toast, or an "unrealistic expectation", or a work ethic, or an overspending, or any Boomer's Greatest Hits problem. Shit's broken, and those are copes for the ones that voted it into existence.
 
Price to income ratio is the highest it's been in at least 70 years. That's not an avocado toast, or an "unrealistic expectation", or a work ethic, or an overspending, or any Boomer's Greatest Hits problem. Shit's broken, and those are copes for the ones that voted it into existence.
sounds like you've gotta lay off the avocado toast and get out there giving handshakes in exchange for jobs

or was that giving handies for money
I forget what's popular with the boomers these days, back in their time there weren't no aids or nothing
 
sounds like you've gotta lay off the avocado toast and get out there giving handshakes in exchange for jobs

or was that giving handies for money
I forget what's popular with the boomers these days, back in their time there weren't no aids or nothing
Who knows? Not even themselves. "Default millionaires" is what I call them.
 
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