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CarterKraft said:
But we just don't have the money to do what we need to...
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Go back to my post. It has jack shit to do with money.

How are prisons? Surely no drugs? Right?? Surely no contraband at all. I mean they are locked down.
 
CarterKraft said:
The lefts solution is to ban guns.

The rights solution is nothing as far as I can tell, cause constitution.
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Those who give up freedom for security….

Or maybe we should start putting value on life again?
 
rockota said:
Those who give up freedom for security….

Or maybe we should start putting value on life again?
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It wouldn’t matter.

How many guns are in America?

How many books to make bombs and guns are out there. (and God knows that we’re against banning books, so those should be available in every school library, I mean isn’t that what the libs say? No banning books and Poor Man’s James Bond & The Anarchist Cookbook are available next to the books on being gay).

You got somebody who’s willing to die for their cause… And this case shooting up a school. You can’t stop that.
You’re trying to identify them as a threat and they already shot.

Sure, you can try to think you’re all rational… “And so-and-so would stop this”. But you’re dealing with irrational people. So a rational solutions is about pointless.

The added challenge adds to the game for these people.

And you wanna talk about boring.
Set a guard out there for years on the end with nothing happening. The job apathy is malaise would set in months, if not weeks. Especially considering you were trying to staff people to stop school shooters, not for discipline. You can’t have them across the school, trying to discipline an unruly student, and expect them to be at the door, trying to save the lives of everybody from a shooter.
(Plus, cops shouldn’t be disciplining students anyway. Breaks the boundary between law-enforcement and education.)

And I know a lot of schools have guards, but my experience… They are pretty worthless. The current officer may be the exception.
 
arse_sidewards said:
We're gonna need a BMI. And even then she still might be a butterface. Like I said, don't flatter yourself. :flipoff2:

Edit: Now that I think about it a 17yo is probably fuckin worthless when there's plenty of young looking 18yos around that can be pimped out the normal way with far less risk to all parties.
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We're a classy fucktard today aren't we.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Retard checking in: I don't get it. Are you saying these resource officers did something different than any one else trying to stop a shooting in progress, or that the kid is somehow different than other shooters, or.. something else I'm not picking up?

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I also found it noteworthy that this kid surrendered without going out in a blaze of glory. I thought maybe this kid had different motives than the others.
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The resource officers didn't do anything special, they just did their job as they should. But because of the fact that they were there, I'm sure a lot of kids are alive today that might not be had the shooter continued killing.

A school is a barrel of fish. The simple fact that only a small number died, should be a wake up call to everyone that armed "guards" at schools can minimize the damage when crazy strikes.

What gets me wound up, is when the MSM hides that information from the public because it goes against their narrative that all guns should be taken away. They don't want folk to hear examples of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.
 
trampas said:
We're a classy fucktard today aren't we.
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No vacation for him?
No rule about not going after innocent family members anymore?

Let's see a pic of arse's wife and have a party then.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Think so? If they're suicidal, I don't think it'll make a difference. They'll just manage to shoot less people before getting popped. The kids that aren't suicidal on the other hand might be deterred, but this is the first kid that I can remember that gave himself up rather than went down shooting.
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The Florida shooter at the Parkland school was arrested after I believe. The news focused on Hogg as a survivor story to keep the limelight off the shooter.
Looked it up; he got 34 consecutive life sentences.

And isn't less people getting shot per incident considered a solution? What's the saying about don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough?

Rather than wasting resources on having bored armed guards standing around making it feel like prison, let the people already there arm themselves for the small chance a shooting happens.

Maybe it's because I grew up rural but there's plenty of teachers I would trust to responsibly CC in school. And also a bunch who would hate the idea. That's why it should be voluntary and paired with training.
 
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Thefishguy77 said:
What good does a drill do if you dont have equal or greater force to meet the threat?
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Depends on the scenario.
All the class rooms have locking doors now. They practice where to "hide" in the class so the shooter in the hall doesn't have a sight line on them.

I add my own education to my kid. Pile every desk in front of the door, and be prepared to fight at the first opportunity.
Its not just about school, there wackos in all aspects of life, she and my son need to be able to deal with them.
 
CarterKraft said:
Depends on the scenario.
All the class rooms have locking doors now. They practice where to "hide" in the class so the shooter in the hall doesn't have a sight line on them.

I add my own education to my kid. Pile every desk in front of the door, and be prepared to fight at the first opportunity.
Its not just about school, there wackos in all aspects of life, she and my son need to be able to deal with them.
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Do you think that will stop a determined crazy? Just because this one didn’t want to die many of the recents, lgbtwxyz, seem to go for body count.
 
This is not a gun/weapon or security issue....in my opinion. It is however a society issue. This has never been a problem until recent history. So, what changed? We answer that and we may get to the root cause.
 
grumpy356 said:
You want FANTASYLAND!!!!
You ban social media from anyone under 30, and 24hour news channels. That would do more than anything else. Remove the fame and notoriety.
You remove the notoriety, you treat what the psycho is getting off on.
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I've said before that if you ban the media from posting/talking about school shooting stories, it would change things.
 
Thumping said:
This is not a gun/weapon or security issue....in my opinion. It is however a society issue. This has never been a problem until recent history. So, what changed? We answer that and we may get to the root cause.
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nationalized department of education in '79?
 
[486] said:
nationalized department of education in '79?
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Possibly. It could also have been the "toxic masculinity" bullshit that has made pussies of men. Not allowing boys to be boys and "words" hurt.

Also, bullies actually had a place. They kept alot of this shit in check. And just because someone got punched in the mouth or nose for either talking shit and sticking where it didn't belong doesn't mean they were "bullied".

That's not to say it was all good....but we were also taught how to deal with them.

But to your point, once democrats got complete control of the education system....things took a very hard turn.
 
I was watching a video yesterday and the guy was saying the family drastically changed with the Industrial revolution. Families used to work and stay together as a cohesive unit. Now the Mom/Dad work separately and the kids spend much of their time in school. The family is essentially destroyed.

I believe that is at least a partial root-cause of all of this.
 
blakes said:
I was watching a video yesterday and the guy was saying the family drastically changed with the Industrial revolution. Families used to work and stay together as a cohesive unit. Now the Mom/Dad work separately and the kids spend much of their time in school. The family is essentially destroyed.

I believe that is at least a partial root-cause of all of this.
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And tennage pregnancy . . . .
 
gt1guy said:
The resource officers didn't do anything special, they just did their job as they should. But because of the fact that they were there, I'm sure a lot of kids are alive today that might not be had the shooter continued killing.

A school is a barrel of fish. The simple fact that only a small number died, should be a wake up call to everyone that armed "guards" at schools can minimize the damage when crazy strikes.

What gets me wound up, is when the MSM hides that information from the public because it goes against their narrative that all guns should be taken away. They don't want folk to hear examples of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.
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Do not most schools have an on-site officer who is armed? Way back in the late 90s my small middle school had one, and at my large high school we had several. Neither school was in a bad neighborhood or anything like that. I was under the impression most schools had on duty LEOs there. My son's elementary school has one.

Ranchtruck said:
And isn't less people getting shot per incident considered a solution? What's the saying about don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough?
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Never said it wasn't a solution. Just that it's not going to be a deterrent to suicidal shooters(which seem to be most of them).
 
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Thumping said:
This is not a gun/weapon or security issue....in my opinion. It is however a society issue. This has never been a problem until recent history. So, what changed? We answer that and we may get to the root cause.
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100% agree. There was always those one or two kids who had emotional issues when I went to school. I can think of one in particular who would 100% fit the profile of a school shooter today. After high school he ended up blowing himself up with a bomb. Not that he was trying to bomb anyone, but that turned out to be his preferred method of suicide. I can't help but think that had he been born later, he probably would have ended up shooting up a school.

I believe a huge part of it is there is a ton of information and misinformation available to kids via the internet/social media. Everyone is in it for the clicks and views, so the most shocking things constantly bubble to the surface as though they are normal. It's possible to take all that information and misinformation and cherry pick what you want to justify doing pretty much anything any more. It's also very easy to for kids to read/see/watch things that could be damaging to their development as normal, well adjusted human. It's on us as adults and parents to guide them through all of that safely, but not every parent is a good one. I don't have a global solution for this, but I believe is a major piece of the problem and I'm trying to do my small part to help my own kids successfully navigate those pitfalls.
 
Thumping said:
Glorifying it is the problem.
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It's 100% a 24 hour news media / social media problem.
But the genie is out of the bottle.

AND Youtube.. influencer .. society.. where there is this overwhelming desire for fame and notoriety, which is the flip side to the media coin.
 
grumpy356 said:
AND Youtube.. influencer .. society.. where there is this overwhelming desire for fame and notoriety, which is the flip side to the media coin.
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My kids don't get to see stuff like whistlindiesel. The dude is entertaining to watch, but I don't want them to idolize his actions or even think that they should be normal. It's been a narrow road to navigate since a lot of other things we both like to watch(freedom factory for example) will have tie-ins to his channel.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Just that it's not going to be a deterrent to suicidal shooters(which seem to be most of them).
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most of them that reach your ears
the hundreds of gang shootings within fifty miles of a school (or whatever it is) that are used to pump the statistics up?
 
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most of them that reach your ears
the hundreds of gang shootings within fifty miles of a school (or whatever it is) that are used to pump the statistics up?
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Is that how they're recording them? It doesn't have to happen on the school grounds to be classified as a school shooting?
 
Sandy Johnson said:
100% agree. There was always those one or two kids who had emotional issues when I went to school. I can think of one in particular who would 100% fit the profile of a school shooter today. After high school he ended up blowing himself up with a bomb. Not that he was trying to bomb anyone, but that turned out to be his preferred method of suicide. I can't help but think that had he been born later, he probably would have ended up shooting up a school.

I believe a huge part of it is there is a ton of information and misinformation available to kids via the internet/social media. Everyone is in it for the clicks and views, so the most shocking things constantly bubble to the surface as though they are normal. It's possible to take all that information and misinformation and cherry pick what you want to justify doing pretty much anything any more. It's also very easy to for kids to read/see/watch things that could be damaging to their development as normal, well adjusted human. It's on us as adults and parents to guide them through all of that safely, but not every parent is a good one. I don't have a global solution for this, but I believe is a major piece of the problem and I'm trying to do my small part to help my own kids successfully navigate those pitfalls.
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My HS was open campus and even with 2000 kids, you pretty much recognized everyone, and I don't remember outside folks cruising through campus. There were a couple Wooderson types that would cruise in front of the school or maybe come into the parking lot if they saw someone they wanted to talk to, (pre cell phones of course), but if they made a habit of it, or stayed too long then a Dean would tell them to shove off. The Principals office was closest to the parking lot, and there was a separate parking lot for visitors, so if they were checking their kid out because he got sick or whatnot, they'd only be in that office with no need to be anywhere else on campus. Seemed to work fine.
 
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