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Thumping said:
Is it that kids today just don't know how to stand up for themselves? I never had thoughts of just hurting others in general....individuals maybe.

In 5th grade I had to deal with two high school freshmen. They were at the elementary school in the mornings waiting on the high school bus to pick them up. For 2 weeks they fucked with me every morning. Once I decided I'd had enough, I dealt with it.
I played basket ball so I was always carrying my gym bag. One evening at home I made me a nice hickory club and put it in my gym bag. The next morning I had my books under my left are, the gym bag in my left hand and my right had inside the bag holding the club.
As I walked by one knocked the books out from under my arm. I dropped the bag and came out over handed with the club splitting ones forehead open. The other took off running. Oh hell no! I caught up to him and he caught it to the back of the head.
I ended up with 2 weeks of in-school suspension but....they never fucked with me again.
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I love stories like this...
All you have to do is stand up to a bully!!!

In my day!!!


Yeah... what the fuck ever.

You never encountered Leon, who was 6'3 in 7th grade, been raised in ghetto culture, hobbies are listed as "doing hoodrat shit, and playing the knockout game"

The (bully really isn't the best word, more like school aged criminal) thugs around here were big and dumb, and they LIKED people to fight back, not like... "oh.. we are friends now" More like... "Oh.. now I get to clobber you with all the pent up aggression I have for being beat by my dad, and for feeling stupid in school".

Don't get me wrong, sometimes you gotta fight, and I wholeheartedly support that, but this idea you are going to win, and be some hero, is hollywood bullshit mixed in with some revisionist history. Most likely you are going to get your ass beat. this time and next time too.

Not uncommon around here for these "bullies" that by 15 have been in and out of the system a couple of time.
 
grumpy356 said:
Don't get me wrong, sometimes you gotta fight, and I wholeheartedly support that, but this idea you are going to win, and be some hero, is hollywood bullshit mixed in with some revisionist history. Most likely you are going to get your ass beat. this time and next time too.
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That's what I remember from middle school. Kids that stood up to the bully usually got their ass beat.
 
grumpy356 said:
I love stories like this...
All you have to do is stand up to a bully!!!

In my day!!!


Yeah... what the fuck ever.

You never encountered Leon, who was 6'3 in 7th grade, been raised in ghetto culture, hobbies are listed as "doing hoodrat shit, and playing the knockout game"

The (bully really isn't the best word, more like school aged criminal) thugs around here were big and dumb, and they LIKED people to fight back, not like... "oh.. we are friends now" More like... "Oh.. now I get to clobber you with all the pent up aggression I have for being beat by my dad, and for feeling stupid in school".

Don't get me wrong, sometimes you gotta fight, and I wholeheartedly support that, but this idea you are going to win, and be some hero, is hollywood bullshit mixed in with some revisionist history. Most likely you are going to get your ass beat. this time and next time too.

Not uncommon around here for these "bullies" that by 15 have been in and out of the system a couple of time.
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I never said I haven't taking an ass kicking....:homer:

You're correct. There are some like you described (we had Goon) but on "average" most were not the badasses they tried to portray.
 
CarterKraft said:
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Watched that all the way through and damn those officers needed more info on how the FBI collected their discord info. Would be pretty easy to match up a time stamp to an IP and also get the internet provider to link that to a MAC address. At the very least they could have told that the dad that they know what was said came from this house at this time without question, and then ask him who was there then. Chances are dad would realize only he and his son where there at the time and he definitely didn't post the threat.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Watched that all the way through and damn those officers needed more info on how the FBI collected their discord info. Would be pretty easy to match up a time stamp to an IP and also get the internet provider to link that to a MAC address. At the very least they could have told that the dad that they know what was said came from this house at this time without question, and then ask him who was there then. Chances are dad would realize only he and his son where there at the time and he definitely didn't post the threat.
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The popo ain't IT nerds as a rule so all that is way the hell out of their wheelhouse. The best they likely understand is the enhance button for pictures and videos they saw on NCIS every episode.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Watched that all the way through and damn those officers needed more info on how the FBI collected their discord info. Would be pretty easy to match up a time stamp to an IP and also get the internet provider to link that to a MAC address. At the very least they could have told that the dad that they know what was said came from this house at this time without question, and then ask him who was there then. Chances are dad would realize only he and his son where there at the time and he definitely didn't post the threat.
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You realize how many times people post dumb shit online and NOTHING comes of it????

You think the cops are going to get warrants to and subpenius to the Internet provides, collect all this data, on something that 99,999 out of 100,000 is someone shooting off their mouth on the internet?

Dude... you're daft.
(and a shitty Monday morning Q-Back)
 
DWT said:
The popo ain't IT nerds as a rule so all that is way the hell out of their wheelhouse. The best they likely understand is the enhance button for pictures and videos they saw on NCIS every episode.
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Right, but some FBI IT nerd grabbed some info and fed it along to the popo. I'm not saying they're going to arrest the kid with damning evidence right there, but they at least should have been armed with enough information to scare that kid into knowing people are actually watching. Instead he got away with lying to the cops and probably was emboldened by the thought that he could fool them so easily.


grumpy356 said:
You realize how many times people post dumb shit online and NOTHING comes of it????

You think the cops are going to get warrants to and subpenius to the Internet provides, collect all this data, on something that 99,999 out of 100,000 is someone shooting off their mouth on the internet?

Dude... you're daft.
(and a shitty Monday morning Q-Back)
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Well, the FBI got an IP address so they had cooperation from discord, and they got a home address for that IP address, which means they got cooperation from the ISP to provide the owner of the IP during the time that the threat was made. They're pretty much right there. At that point, they didn't need much else, but for the sake of conversation with the dad, they could have also got the mac address that came off of the cable or dsl modem using that IP at the time from the ISP and told the kid's dad the number.

From an IT standpoint there was no confusion over where that threat came from. That house at that time. I bet things would have gone a little differently if the cops understood that and relayed that information to the kid's dad. "Listen sir, we've traced the message back to X address at X time. Were you and your son living there then? Was anyone else living there with access to the internet?"
 
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Sandy Johnson said:
Right, but some FBI IT nerd grabbed some info and fed it along to the popo. I'm not saying they're going to arrest the kid with damning evidence right there, but they at least should have been armed with enough information to scare that kid into knowing people are actually watching. Instead he got away with lying to the cops and probably was emboldened by the thought that he could fool them so easily.




Well, the FBI got an IP address so they had cooperation from discord, and they got a home address for that IP address, which means they got cooperation from the ISP to provide the owner of the IP during the time that the threat was made. They're pretty much right there. At that point, they didn't need much else, but for the sake of conversation with the dad, they could have also got the mac address that came off of the cable or dsl modem using that IP at the time from the ISP and told the kid's dad the number.

From an IT standpoint there was no confusion over where that threat came from. That house at that time. I bet things would have gone a little differently if the cops understood that and relayed that information to the kid's dad. "Listen sir, we've traced the message back to X address at X time. Were you and your son living there then? Was anyone else living there with access to the internet?"
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Hindsight proves there was more to the story, I am sure the father will not agree.
 
Thumping said:
Is it that kids today just don't know how to stand up for themselves? I never had thoughts of just hurting others in general....individuals maybe.

In 5th grade I had to deal with two high school freshmen. They were at the elementary school in the mornings waiting on the high school bus to pick them up. For 2 weeks they fucked with me every morning. Once I decided I'd had enough, I dealt with it.
I played basket ball so I was always carrying my gym bag. One evening at home I made me a nice hickory club and put it in my gym bag. The next morning I had my books under my left are, the gym bag in my left hand and my right had inside the bag holding the club.
As I walked by one knocked the books out from under my arm. I dropped the bag and came out over handed with the club splitting ones forehead open. The other took off running. Oh hell no! I caught up to him and he caught it to the back of the head.
I ended up with 2 weeks of in-school suspension but....they never fucked with me again.
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That sounds like my brother. Senior linebacker was bullying the crap out of him when he was a freshman. Ben waited for him behind the locker room with an axe handle. Caught him in the back of the head and got him down and then worked him top to bottom before the coach strolled out and told him he thought the lesson was learned. :laughing:
 
CarterKraft said:
Hindsight proves there was more to the story, I am sure the father will not agree.
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100%, but also I think his dad walked away from that interaction doubting it was his son that made the threats. If the police knew and were able to articulate that those threats definitely came from his house. Things may have gone differently.

Example: if those cops had come to my house and said the same thing, I would have known instantly that someone on my Internet connection made those threats. If I had a time stamp of when that occurred, I would have been able to figure out by process of elimination who in my house did it, or at least narrow down the list(ie- did it occur when my son had friends over, was anyone else at home, etc.).
 
Ditchrunner said:
That sounds like my brother. Senior linebacker was bullying the crap out of him when he was a freshman. Ben waited for him behind the locker room with an axe handle. Caught him in the back of the head and got him down and then worked him top to bottom before the coach strolled out and told him he thought the lesson was learned. :laughing:
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I have an acquaintance, who got into it with her ex-boyfriend, husband, whatever. Her son (pretty yoked up kid and a pretty good baseball player) walks in and line drives the guys head with a bat.

It's been years ( over 2 less than 10) ago and I believe the guy (the ex) is still in assisted living from the injury.

Guess it turns out different for different people.
 
grumpy356 said:
I have an acquaintance, who got into it with her ex-boyfriend, husband, whatever. Her son (pretty yoked up kid and a pretty good baseball player) walks in and line drives the guys head with a bat.

It's been years ( over 2 less than 10) ago and I believe the guy (the ex) is still in assisted living from the injury.

Guess it turns out different for different people.
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Absolutely. My brother has always been lucky, except for getting bullied in the first place.:laughing:

But if someone is kicking your ass on the daily and you do decide to stand up for yourself, by all means use whatever you think you need to even the playing field. If I’m on the jury, the bully will get told he FAFO’d.
 
DMG said:
Yes. If gang members shoot it out a block away from school on Saturday night, it’s listed as a school shooting.
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This as well as shooting victim’s getting gelp at a school gets it listed as well. Super disingenuous in all reality. But gun laws only make sense if they lie about the statistics in order to trigger emotional responses.
 
grumpy356 said:
I love stories like this...
All you have to do is stand up to a bully!!!

In my day!!!


Yeah... what the fuck ever.

You never encountered Leon, who was 6'3 in 7th grade, been raised in ghetto culture, hobbies are listed as "doing hoodrat shit, and playing the knockout game"

The (bully really isn't the best word, more like school aged criminal) thugs around here were big and dumb, and they LIKED people to fight back, not like... "oh.. we are friends now" More like... "Oh.. now I get to clobber you with all the pent up aggression I have for being beat by my dad, and for feeling stupid in school".

Don't get me wrong, sometimes you gotta fight, and I wholeheartedly support that, but this idea you are going to win, and be some hero, is hollywood bullshit mixed in with some revisionist history. Most likely you are going to get your ass beat. this time and next time too.

Not uncommon around here for these "bullies" that by 15 have been in and out of the system a couple of time.
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Leon is the exception to the rule. But way to grandstand on an emotional outburst. Vs. Staying rooted in reality. Leon, as you described, is a criminal and should not be allowed on campus. But instead of addressing the problem, mainly in urban schools as well so not the majority of schools nationwide by a long shot. You guve a worst case scenario. :lmao::lmao:

Standing up to a bully maybe before High School? Like we used to do. Most of the bully fights I either was a part pf or witnessed were in elementary and middle school. By then those that would stand up had and those that wont wont. The bullies know who the hard targets are and who the soft ones are.
 
Ranchtruck said:
And isn't less people getting shot per incident considered a solution? What's the saying about don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough?
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That will always be your best case situation.
To reduce the number of dead, which is accomplished by the closest good person with a gun.

If a free world, you can never prevent it. If someone wants to do wrong, it will happen. Best you can do is look at the timer from the moment it kicks off and keep the time to minimum before shooter gets put down, thereby saving lives.

Anything else is fantasy land or destruction of freedom.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Right, but some FBI IT nerd grabbed some info and fed it along to the popo. I'm not saying they're going to arrest the kid with damning evidence right there, but they at least should have been armed with enough information to scare that kid into knowing people are actually watching. Instead he got away with lying to the cops and probably was emboldened by the thought that he could fool them so easily.




Well, the FBI got an IP address so they had cooperation from discord, and they got a home address for that IP address, which means they got cooperation from the ISP to provide the owner of the IP during the time that the threat was made. They're pretty much right there. At that point, they didn't need much else, but for the sake of conversation with the dad, they could have also got the mac address that came off of the cable or dsl modem using that IP at the time from the ISP and told the kid's dad the number.

From an IT standpoint there was no confusion over where that threat came from. That house at that time. I bet things would have gone a little differently if the cops understood that and relayed that information to the kid's dad. "Listen sir, we've traced the message back to X address at X time. Were you and your son living there then? Was anyone else living there with access to the internet?"
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I don't think it was so simple.
Yota Up said:
"The investigator wrote that no arrests were made because of 'inconsistent information' on the Discord account, which had profile information in Russian and a digital evidence trail indicating it had been accessed in different Georgia cities as well as Buffalo, New York."
"The Discord account had a user name written in Russian, and the translation of the letters spelled out the name Lanza, referencing Adam Lanza, the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook Elementary school tragedy, officers said."
"Gray denied he was the author of the threats, telling police he'd shut down his Discord after being repeatedly hacked. He expressed concerns that someone would make those accusations about him."
"The sheriff's investigators closed the case after being unable to substantiate that either Gray was connected to the Discord account, and did not find grounds to seek the needed court order to confiscate the family's guns"
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Yota Up said:
I don't think it was so simple.
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Ah, could be the FBI wasn't forthcoming with ALL the IPs that hit that account, although discord should have been able to say what IP posted the threat that day.

It would be quite a feat for someone to hack this kid's discord account, and then somehow find out his IP so they can spoof it just to make the post look like it came from his ISP, but maybe the actual post didn't come from his house.
 
CarterKraft said:
We had "portable" buildings like crazy at our highschool and middle school, a common stop gap when new schools were needed but either funding or time was not on the school districts side.

So a few times a day you had to go out of the school into the various "portable" for class.
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I went to 1st grade in a fucking overflow classroom in 1970, they’re nothing new to anyone that grew up in a poor area :usa:
 
M92PV4U said:
So then probably don't send in a bunch of people trained to kill people that don't follow orders in to deal with civilians, that probably aren't going to follow orders :homer:.
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As a refresher I was born in 1980...


Just to clarify you are saying armed defenders of a establishment will turn on the patrons and kill them?
 
CarterKraft said:
As a refresher I was born in 1980...


Just to clarify you are saying armed defenders of a establishment will turn on the patrons and kill them?
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As a refresher I was born in 1990...

I'm saying that I do not want the military on a civilian campus a regular occurrence. I would much rather see armed local teachers, staff and parents on campus.
 
M92PV4U said:
As a refresher I was born in 1990...

I'm saying that I do not want the military on a civilian campus a regular occurrence. I would much rather see armed local teachers, staff and parents on campus.
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Fair enough but I've seen enough police body cam footage to know the police aren't always trained to the level they need to be.
 
M92PV4U said:
I didn't say police either.
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Well SRO is LEO which I qualified as staff.

Arm the teachers I don't have a problem with that but the teachers do...

Here's the label on the doors to the GYM, took this tonight.
It's a great sentiment but if none of the teachers actually take part it doesn't mean much.

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Portable classrooms are far from new.

20 years ago I was installing them at brand new schools. They were required at all local schools by some government agency to account for fluctuations in population.
 
4xfiend said:
Portable classrooms are far from new.

20 years ago I was installing them at brand new schools. They were required at all local schools by some government agency to account for fluctuations in population.
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Our whole damn 3rd - 5th grade was portable class rooms :laughing:.
 
Thumping said:
Is it that kids today just don't know how to stand up for themselves? I never had thoughts of just hurting others in general....individuals maybe.
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I don't think so. I didn't exactly know either but I ended up in a few fights if you could call them that. One was more of a draw and wresling match but the kid didn't bother me again and we never really talked. A few others I didn't win but took the hits and the other kid stopped and was more confused-ish that I didn't drop or quit. Dunno we never talked about it but he stopped his bad behavior. After the 1st couple the rest where just verbal confrontations which the other guy backed down usually using the "yeah your tough picking on the smallest kid in school line". Couple of bigger asshats that I hung (loosly) with that gave me shit I punched and it didn't know them out or anything but got a damn that hurt, okay chill out we're cool. HS I ended up friends with most of the bad kids that did fight and other stuff learned to talk tough, more of a fawk you, what you gonna do attitude.

Nothing cool or story worthy, sure everyone had similar little things like that happen..

It just seems today if a kid tried any of that they would get kicked out of school. Or show up with a gun and blast away.

We had guns in our school (cars / trucks) and sometimes in the building I'm sure. Just people can't process anything like when I was there.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Right, but some FBI IT nerd grabbed some info and fed it along to the popo. I'm not saying they're going to arrest the kid with damning evidence right there, but they at least should have been armed with enough information to scare that kid into knowing people are actually watching. Instead he got away with lying to the cops and probably was emboldened by the thought that he could fool them so easily.




Well, the FBI got an IP address so they had cooperation from discord, and they got a home address for that IP address, which means they got cooperation from the ISP to provide the owner of the IP during the time that the threat was made. They're pretty much right there. At that point, they didn't need much else, but for the sake of conversation with the dad, they could have also got the mac address that came off of the cable or dsl modem using that IP at the time from the ISP and told the kid's dad the number.

From an IT standpoint there was no confusion over where that threat came from. That house at that time. I bet things would have gone a little differently if the cops understood that and relayed that information to the kid's dad. "Listen sir, we've traced the message back to X address at X time. Were you and your son living there then? Was anyone else living there with access to the internet?"
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Your prognosis is stuck in 2005. It’s pretty much useless if someone uses a proxy or an Tor browser. Almost all mobile connections are proxied in one way or another so IP tracing is just about useless for those as well. It’s pretty uncommon to query ARP cache for MAC addresses.

Almost all law enforcement tracking today is done via session tokens and PREF cookies or similar type of browser fingerprinting. Browsers are the tattle tales.
 
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