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Fireball releases a giant vise - the Hardtail
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I'm going suggest something. This is coming from someone that has dealt with alot of new engineers. Please watch the youtube video to get a count. Post a list here of the parts so we can have a intelligent conversation about your project.
Coming prepared goes a long way with experienced people at any future job.
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Clemson13
Evernoob is a douchcanoe
I flew out to Utah to go skiing yesterday morning with them still stuck
I will get back on it ASAP when I get back home. There's a little residual frustration I had to leave a project in finished.
I come up with 20 if you count bought parts like nuts and bolts...not sure if all of those could be considered to have 4 features though.
You can always add chamfers and fancier details to the shapes to make them comply.
Clemson13
Evernoob is a douchcanoe
Making all the bearings too, cages, rollers etc.
Thats what I was getting at.
Thrust bearing - 4 parts, 1. Ball bearing 2. Outer shield 3. Top and bottom piece 4. Complete assembly.
Needle Bearing Thrust - 4 Parts 1. Needle bearings 2. Needle housing 3. Thick washers 4. complete assembly
Taper handle - 2 parts 1. Handle 2. Bolt
etc
Easy to get 20+ parts that covers the whole range of solidworks skills. Throw in learning about animation in solidworks, this is easy to justify to a professor.
Clemson13
Evernoob is a douchcanoe
Yes you can. Also create process drawings showing the steps for assembly
So many things for a project
Clemson13
Evernoob is a douchcanoe
Received in the tubes so I could start putting together the vise. Still missing the bearing block blank piece.
Mocked up for first test fit. This time I sanded everything clean and used acetone to wipe down before welding.
After the side plates and tubes are welded together then I will be placing in the Fadal to correct any angle for the clamping jaws. I aligned the plates with the end of the tubing since I knew I could machine the mounting areas clean. Others will probably need to correct angle first then weld with them straight. Just the nature of plasma cut pieces and in reality these were really nice cut pieces to begin with.
First time using the tig in probably 2 years. First pass on the setup and I will probably make 3-4 pass with less heat.
Mocked up for first test fit. This time I sanded everything clean and used acetone to wipe down before welding.
After the side plates and tubes are welded together then I will be placing in the Fadal to correct any angle for the clamping jaws. I aligned the plates with the end of the tubing since I knew I could machine the mounting areas clean. Others will probably need to correct angle first then weld with them straight. Just the nature of plasma cut pieces and in reality these were really nice cut pieces to begin with.
First time using the tig in probably 2 years. First pass on the setup and I will probably make 3-4 pass with less heat.
ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
Fuck was it not in with the tubes? My dumb ass probably sent it to someone else.Received in the tubes so I could start putting together the vise. Still missing the bearing block blank piece.
Mocked up for first test fit. This time I sanded everything clean and used acetone to wipe down before welding.
After the side plates and tubes are welded together then I will be placing in the Fadal to correct any angle for the clamping jaws. I aligned the plates with the end of the tubing since I knew I could machine the mounting areas clean. Others will probably need to correct angle first then weld with them straight. Just the nature of plasma cut pieces and in reality these were really nice cut pieces to begin with.
First time using the tig in probably 2 years. First pass on the setup and I will probably make 3-4 pass with less heat.
Should have been 1/2 ply block 1/2 ply tubes 1/2ply in the tube box.
Logan
Training Wheels
Hopefully I didn't derail the thread. At least it is on-topic mostly. For those interested in the technical requirements for my CAD project, see below. The more I look at these requirements, the more I feel like the vise isn't the best choice. I'm going to make a list of all the components (with the help of bgaidan's model, thanks sir!) and count the features of each in the next couple days to confirm my suspicions. Backup plan if the vise doesn't make the cut is to model a simple internal combustion engine (simplified smallblock V8 or something).
At least one each of all the following:
1. Extrude
2. Revolve
3. Sweep
4. Loft
5. Rib or Web Network
6. Dimple or Bead (sheet metal part)
7. One of these: Thin Wall, Chamfer, Round, or Pattern
8. One of these: Lip, Slot, Vent, Hem, Louver, Drawn Cutout, Gusset, Jog, Keypoint Curve, Cross Curve, BlueSurf
9. Motors (extra credit)
10. Gear relationships (if doing motors)
Requirements:
1. Sweep and Loft should not be done when another feature would do the job better. For example, do not sweep a straight cylinder. Lofts and sweeps only count if they cannot be created with other features
2. Minimum part count requirement is twenty (20) unique parts
3. Parts must have at least 4 features to count as a part. The 4 features cannot be placed separately when they can be placed together. For example, placing 4 holes, one on each corner of a plate instead of one hole and a pattern
4. Multiple features that could be created as one will be counted as a single feature
5. Parts that are similar to each other such that you could use one to create the other won’t count as separate parts. Similar gears for example
6. Fasteners such as screws, bolts, washers, nuts, etc., will all count as a single part, if they have more than four features, no matter how many different types you may have and their quantity
At least one each of all the following:
1. Extrude
2. Revolve
3. Sweep
4. Loft
5. Rib or Web Network
6. Dimple or Bead (sheet metal part)
7. One of these: Thin Wall, Chamfer, Round, or Pattern
8. One of these: Lip, Slot, Vent, Hem, Louver, Drawn Cutout, Gusset, Jog, Keypoint Curve, Cross Curve, BlueSurf
9. Motors (extra credit)
10. Gear relationships (if doing motors)
Requirements:
1. Sweep and Loft should not be done when another feature would do the job better. For example, do not sweep a straight cylinder. Lofts and sweeps only count if they cannot be created with other features
2. Minimum part count requirement is twenty (20) unique parts
3. Parts must have at least 4 features to count as a part. The 4 features cannot be placed separately when they can be placed together. For example, placing 4 holes, one on each corner of a plate instead of one hole and a pattern
4. Multiple features that could be created as one will be counted as a single feature
5. Parts that are similar to each other such that you could use one to create the other won’t count as separate parts. Similar gears for example
6. Fasteners such as screws, bolts, washers, nuts, etc., will all count as a single part, if they have more than four features, no matter how many different types you may have and their quantity
Nope. I double checked the box before I sent it the recycling bin. I will say the cardboard boxes were the best Ive ever seen.
Made some more progress over the week while I waited for the mill and tumbler to finish up some parts.
Machined a recess to center the tube inside the back tube. Also added a nice ledge to give a space to fill with the tig welder.
Squared up both sides of the tubing and bored out the weld on the nut side. Made it 1.40in ID
Had to add a 1/2-13 hole inside the back plate to allow for a thread rod to pull the tubing straight into back plate.
Setup worked perfectly for tig welding the tube to the back plate. I did fuck up since the threaded rod used nut couplers to get the length. When remove the top section unscrewed before backing out of the backing plate. I added some blue loctite before calling it a night and should come apart tomorrow.
Turned down the 2 nuts before welding together. Used a parting tool to add a tig welding gap but did break the tool after the nut rolled back into the jaws. The gap can be seen in the picture, live and learn.
ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
I’ll get one sent over sorry about that. Looks good !!!Nope. I double checked the box before I sent it the recycling bin. I will say the cardboard boxes were the best Ive ever seen.
Made some more progress over the week while I waited for the mill and tumbler to finish up some parts.
Machined a recess to center the tube inside the back tube. Also added a nice ledge to give a space to fill with the tig welder.
Squared up both sides of the tubing and bored out the weld on the nut side. Made it 1.40in ID
Had to add a 1/2-13 hole inside the back plate to allow for a thread rod to pull the tubing straight into back plate.
Setup worked perfectly for tig welding the tube to the back plate. I did fuck up since the threaded rod used nut couplers to get the length. When remove the top section unscrewed before backing out of the backing plate. I added some blue loctite before calling it a night and should come apart tomorrow.
Turned down the 2 nuts before welding together. Used a parting tool to add a tig welding gap but did break the tool after the nut rolled back into the jaws. The gap can be seen in the picture, live and learn.
Thought by now we would see more people getting these built.
STUPIDITY AHEAD, READ THIS AND DONT FUCK YOURSELF
Well I was going to be done with this tonight. Then i did something fucking stupid. I had the inner tube (moving Jaw) inside the fixed jaw when I did 8, 1.5" welds (2 per side, top and bottom) for the fixed jaw holders. Needless to say the inner tube is somehow now relatively jammed. I can close it all the way but am really struggling to get it more than 1/3 open, I assume something either arced and i have a little tack causing interference or the tube warped causing a spring/interference fit of the two tubes that is stupid strong. I figured i could just use the bomb ass screw to back the tube out, i ended up cracking the rollers on the trust washer. It was backing the tubes out before failure
Much PB blaster has been put down the tubes since sticking. It helped, but i suspected i had already cracked a roller before
Current plan: get 3 more thrust washers and just keep backing it out sacrificing thrust washers to my stupidity. Then grind on the tubes to return them to slip fit.
So which of you geniuses has the solution to my retardation?
So I managed to do the same thing but at least my tubes were apart. See below how I got lazy about fixing it.
First off. The side plates for the jaws warped in a little during tig welding, maybe a little more that what I would have seen with quick welding with the mig welder.
Used some toe clamp parts to spread the wings back with .050in of the tube width.
Both Fixed for now.
Turns out my tubes are a little to tight. I was going to make a trip to HF to buy a 1/2in belt sander to clean up the main tube but lunch was more important. Shining light thru the back side is a easy way to see where the tube is rubbing.
Cleaning up on the mill with a face mill. The Haas face mill with AL inserts works really well. Later on I will take the orbital sander to blend everything.
Added some welded bracing to the ears before starting the clean up on the jaw mounts. I had to be careful during this step to avoid changing tools near the part or allowing the machine to home after the operation. Tool is way to long for operation but its what I had in the mill already
Matching the movable jaw to the fixed jaw for the jaw mounts. Wish I went .10 deeper to clean up perfectly the bottom but 80 percent of the floor was cleaned up.
Debating on making a mount on the ears for the jaw mount to be bolted on. Would allow them to be modified in the future if I decided to change the jaws out for a style that has a different hole pattern. I might have a tool addiction based on this build.
Made some more progress. I had some scrap metal that I turned into mounting location for the jaw mount. Now I can swap it out or modify it without needing to cut it off.
I forgot to drill the tube before welding in the "coupler nut"
Might be in a holding part soon till bearing block gets here. Maybe I should find some metal to make a hammer spot on the back tube............
Also Im trying to give people a chance to catch up in the building.
I forgot to drill the tube before welding in the "coupler nut"
Might be in a holding part soon till bearing block gets here. Maybe I should find some metal to make a hammer spot on the back tube............
ThePanzerFuhrer what do you have for metal for the hammer spot?
Also Im trying to give people a chance to catch up in the building.
ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
I have a chuck or two of 1.5” thick ar400 floating around.Made some more progress. I had some scrap metal that I turned into mounting location for the jaw mount. Now I can swap it out or modify it without needing to cut it off.
I forgot to drill the tube before welding in the "coupler nut"
Might be in a holding part soon till bearing block gets here. Maybe I should find some metal to make a hammer spot on the back tube............
ThePanzerFuhrer what do you have for metal for the hammer spot?
Also Im trying to give people a chance to catch up in the building.
Shoot me a quote and then you can send it in the same box
CarolinaCrawler
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ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
Need to be nice and square and feed like hell.
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ugh, that guy again?
thisNeed to be nice and square and feed like hell.
I like keeping an acid brush full of oil in the cut, then when you're cutting you just jam it in there and keep on cranking, when you let off to regrab the handwheel or to get more oil on the brush, back the cross slide off the cut like half a turn so it isn't dragging
ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
They look good.
I want to make one for myself now . Everything work out ok? I haven’t even fully assembled one with all the parts yet.I need to get the broach made to get these tubes cleaned up. The only thing holding up the next sets from going out.
Where’s number 3?
AlxJ64
Rust is Paint
I bet they end up working. Worst case, a baseplate can be cut and then thrown on a rotary table for some swivel slots to be milled out. Might need to cut the centering pin height down. Neither of my mills are under power currently so I doubt I can get it done before I come up there in April.
Grendel
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They work great.They look good.
I need to get the broach made to get these tubes cleaned up. The only thing holding up the next sets from going out.
Where’s number 3?
Number 3 is in a box.
I thought to take the centering pin down to 1/4" and then weld all the rest up.
Companies really need to hire you to do packaging. Best fucking packaging I have ever received.
Really trying to decide if I want to machine the AR400 or just say fuck it.
I have all the time in the world sometimes. Garage is my man shop while wife watches tv or plays video games.
ThePanzerFuhrer
The Rock Breaker God
I needed to up my shipping game after the first batch had a high failure rate
. The 2x4 and plywood was sourced out of the garbage can. Builders are wasteful these days. It machines decent with a insert face mill. I had a part in the mill otherwise I would have cleaned it up for you. You have a fancy mill should be easy peasy
