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Fireball releases a giant vise - the Hardtail

Thanks for the comforting words :laughing:. I think about 18 pages ago you said you built your current one with the1" 8tpi and i thought, good enough for that dude to abuse, good enough for me :flipoff2:

The bit im not looking forward to is plug welding the nuts into the bar.
You should buy a hard coupling nut from McMaster. Then you just have to knock a few corners off and slip it into the tube.
 
One of these:

 
Panzer, those tight fits are a custom feature. "customer" just needs some 40grit on the random orbital for that extra tight custom fit. Of course, you've got charge more (than $0) for the opportunity to sand the internal tube for hours :grinpimp:
 
Is anyone making the attachment plates to allow horizontal to vertical? Might just keep my vise for now but wouldnt mind a set of those to attach it to the bench.

I can cut my own but plasma/waterjet is going to be a lot easier than milling the half round on the mill with rotary
 
My card slipped.....

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whats with the jaw faces on the Columbian? Threaded the sides of the jaws for bolt-on faces?
Yeah. Brass soft jaw covers and they tapped the side of the original jaws for 1/4"-20 button cap screws to hold them on. I bought it at an online auction, thinking it was going to be a bit bigger. I had vise disappointment when I picked it up.

Of course I fully disassembled and cleaned/painted it and machined the base and anvil because I definitely didn't have anything better to be spending my time on.
 
You should buy a hard coupling nut from McMaster. Then you just have to knock a few corners off and slip it into the tube.

One of these:

I bought the hard coupler :flipoff2:.

I also tried tiging 2 nuts together. I am no 'fireball tool' at welding. I managed to get those fuckers to shrink togeter and lock up pretty solid. You fuckers were right.

Without a lathe its a royal PITA to grind down the coupler nut, but im getting close.
 
I bought the hard coupler :flipoff2:.

I also tried tiging 2 nuts together. I am no 'fireball tool' at welding. I managed to get those fuckers to shrink togeter and lock up pretty solid. You fuckers were right.

Without a lathe its a royal PITA to grind down the coupler nut, but im getting close.
I left a half inch of the nut alone. It can stick out of the ground I’ve a bit. Gives you a good edge to weld to along with some plug welds. :beer:
 
I left a half inch of the nut alone. It can stick out of the ground I’ve a bit. Gives you a good edge to weld to along with some plug welds. :beer:
Thats exactly how im grinding mine too. i figure ill put the rod into the nut and center the free end of it in the rod before tacking it in place so my imprecise material removal doesn't make the nut uncentered.
 
I’m getting a workout moving boxes. These fuckers we about 47 lbs each lol. I’m working my way down the list.
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Need to figure out these tubes then a bunch more of you guys will get your stuff. Got 6 sets of tubes that are tight:mad3: Thinking about picking up a farm cylinder and making a quick hydro broach. I really hope the dude bending up the tubes at the steel mill didn’t fuck up my batch lol. Gonna have to measure them up tomorrow. Worse case I’ll have to fly cut one possibly 2 sides of the moving jaw. It’s sad because the other sets all fit together perfectly.

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Dammit, I dont have enough 1-1/2" threaded rod for the project so I will need to order some stuff.
 
Not sure how but USPS arrived before the UPS delivery.

ThePanzerFuhrer, is the bearing block blank in with the tubes? Might have forgetten to chuck it in with the plates.​



Got most of my tools setup yesterday for the project. Mig is off to the side but Im ready to get rolling on this project. Already have the dross knocked off the parts, light sanding with 40 grit orbital before I throw them in some Muriatic acid tomorrow to clean off the mill scale. I need to buy a sandblaster one of these days.
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Not sure how but USPS arrived before the UPS delivery.

ThePanzerFuhrer, is the bearing block blank in with the tubes? Might have forgetten to chuck it in with the plates.​



Got most of my tools setup yesterday for the project. Mig is off to the side but Im ready to get rolling on this project. Already have the dross knocked off the parts, light sanding with 40 grit orbital before I throw them in some Muriatic acid tomorrow to clean off the mill scale. I need to buy a sandblaster one of these days.
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Yeah it’s in with the ups tube package
 
STUPIDITY AHEAD, READ THIS AND DONT FUCK YOURSELF

Well I was going to be done with this tonight. Then i did something fucking stupid. I had the inner tube (moving Jaw) inside the fixed jaw when I did 8, 1.5" welds (2 per side, top and bottom) for the fixed jaw holders. Needless to say the inner tube is somehow now relatively jammed. I can close it all the way but am really struggling to get it more than 1/3 open, I assume something either arced and i have a little tack causing interference or the tube warped causing a spring/interference fit of the two tubes that is stupid strong. I figured i could just use the bomb ass screw to back the tube out, i ended up cracking the rollers on the trust washer. It was backing the tubes out before failure :homer::homer::homer::homer:
Much PB blaster has been put down the tubes since sticking. It helped, but i suspected i had already cracked a roller before

Current plan: get 3 more thrust washers and just keep backing it out sacrificing thrust washers to my stupidity. Then grind on the tubes to return them to slip fit.

So which of you geniuses has the solution to my retardation?
 
STUPIDITY AHEAD, READ THIS AND DONT FUCK YOURSELF

Well I was going to be done with this tonight. Then i did something fucking stupid. I had the inner tube (moving Jaw) inside the fixed jaw when I did 8, 1.5" welds (2 per side, top and bottom) for the fixed jaw holders. Needless to say the inner tube is somehow now relatively jammed. I can close it all the way but am really struggling to get it more than 1/3 open, I assume something either arced and i have a little tack causing interference or the tube warped causing a spring/interference fit of the two tubes that is stupid strong. I figured i could just use the bomb ass screw to back the tube out, i ended up cracking the rollers on the trust washer. It was backing the tubes out before failure :homer::homer::homer::homer:
Much PB blaster has been put down the tubes since sticking. It helped, but i suspected i had already cracked a roller before

Current plan: get 3 more thrust washers and just keep backing it out sacrificing thrust washers to my stupidity. Then grind on the tubes to return them to slip fit.

So which of you geniuses has the solution to my retardation?

Must have burnt through the big tube making a tight spot. Maybe put your big bearing on the inside when you backing it out. It can take way more abuse than the little one.

It moved in and out all the way freely before you put the jaw sides on?
 
Must have burnt through the big tube making a tight spot. Maybe put your big bearing on the inside when you backing it out. It can take way more abuse than the little one.

It moved in and out all the way freely before you put the jaw sides on?
Yup. Was a perfect slip fit, was cruising through the project and would have been done by 9 tonight:homer: Heck,I planed to get primer on it tonight too. Dont get ambitious schedule wise, you always fuck it up somehow :laughing:

Yeah, that is probably it. My mig is a 120V baby and so I TIGed it all. Welding the sides to the tube with TIG is a PITA at my skill level. It doesnt help that I dont have 3/16s rod or something equally massive. Feeding fast enough is tough.

It wasnt moving at all until i switched to the snap on 20" ratchet and gave it the beans closing it. That got it moving, but opening it is a cast iron bitch. I should try that tomorrow. I think ill have to get longer bolts for the bearing race if I want to use the main bearing on the inside. Then flip the main cap around backwards and crank it on tight. Give it the beans with the big boy bearing carrying the load while waiting for my new baby bearing to arrive.

Thank you for the good idea:beer::beer:
 
Yup. Was a perfect slip fit, was cruising through the project and would have been done by 9 tonight:homer: Heck,I planed to get primer on it tonight too. Dont get ambitious schedule wise, you always fuck it up somehow :laughing:

Yeah, that is probably it. My mig is a 120V baby and so I TIGed it all. Welding the sides to the tube with TIG is a PITA at my skill level. It doesnt help that I dont have 3/16s rod or something equally massive. Feeding fast enough is tough.

It wasnt moving at all until i switched to the snap on 20" ratchet and gave it the beans closing it. That got it moving, but opening it is a cast iron bitch. I should try that tomorrow. I think ill have to get longer bolts for the bearing race if I want to use the main bearing on the inside. Then flip the main cap around backwards and crank it on tight. Give it the beans with the big boy bearing carrying the load while waiting for my new baby bearing to arrive.

Thank you for the good idea:beer::beer:

Can you build a slide hammer with a round tube or something else. We have all made that mistake for welding.


My progress tonight was awesome but also a pain in the ass and probably not worth it. I picked up some Muriatic Acid (concrete etcher) tonight from Home Depot to remove the mill scale on the parts. Worked awesome but the setup was shit and neutralizing the acid was a pain when I was done. I used 5 gallon HD bucket with a 1:3 mix and PVC coated gloves to treat the metal. In a second bucket I put water and baking soda to neutralize the acid on the parts. Also sprinkled baking soda on the floor for any drips which did happen. Really nasty stuff to use. I really need a sandblaster.

Top left is after etching and Lower right is before.
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I have used vinegar to remove scale and zinc coating too. Works like a hot damn when you get it boiling or you can leave it to work overnight and cleanup is simple.
 
Can you build a slide hammer with a round tube or something else. We have all made that mistake for welding.


My progress tonight was awesome but also a pain in the ass and probably not worth it. I picked up some Muriatic Acid (concrete etcher) tonight from Home Depot to remove the mill scale on the parts. Worked awesome but the setup was shit and neutralizing the acid was a pain when I was done. I used 5 gallon HD bucket with a 1:3 mix and PVC coated gloves to treat the metal. In a second bucket I put water and baking soda to neutralize the acid on the parts. Also sprinkled baking soda on the floor for any drips which did happen. Really nasty stuff to use. I really need a sandblaster.

Top left is after etching and Lower right is before.
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I hope you weren't doing that in your garage and I hope you got that muriatic acid way the fuck away from anything you didn't want rusted. The funds will almost immediately rust anything nearby. Even with the cap on the bottle I wouldn't store it inside.
 
I’m getting sick of moving those boxes around they are heavy. Last ones were 47 pounds a piece :lmao:

Crap did you want 8” jaws?

I bought the 8" jaws and was originally planning to do then offset to one side but I'm not committed. They have the same bolt shaving as the 6" ones so I can just trim them if I stick with 6".
 
ThePanzerFuhrer - Just confirming what you had me down for, which is basically one of everything you're making. Tubes, flats, front bearing block, and jaw mounts.


Does anyone have a CAD model of the vise? Even if it's not exactly per the plans, I could use a reference file for how this thing goes together. I submitted my request to build this vise to my professor and he is afraid there won't be enough unique parts. Need a minimum of 20 parts with 4 features each. Features meaning CAD speak for extrusions, cuts, lofts, chamfers, sweeps, revolve, etc. If someone has a CAD model I can look at before I build my own it would help figure all this out. I am also willing to model a swivel base, tilt mechanism, anvil pedestal, ornate handle, etc. to meet the quota.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer - Just confirming what you had me down for, which is basically one of everything you're making. Tubes, flats, front bearing block, and jaw mounts.


Does anyone have a CAD model of the vise? Even if it's not exactly per the plans, I could use a reference file for how this thing goes together. I submitted my request to build this vise to my professor and he is afraid there won't be enough unique parts. Need a minimum of 20 parts with 4 features each. Features meaning CAD speak for extrusions, cuts, lofts, chamfers, sweeps, revolve, etc. If someone has a CAD model I can look at before I build my own it would help figure all this out. I am also willing to model a swivel base, tilt mechanism, anvil pedestal, ornate handle, etc. to meet the quota.
Yes sir that’s what I have marked down for you. You along with a few others will be up this batch. Got the parts to build a hydraulic broach for those tubes. Also bought a large fly cutter incase I need to shave a little bit off the inside tube.

In my head I count 15-16 unique parts there might be more I’m forgetting. You could always add some hold down bolts and a hammer block to get up to 20 parts.

I could send you the dxf of the side plates that you could easily turn into solid shapes.
 
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