***Fail***

[DMG]

That was off the Grand Cherokee. It was an upper too, not a lower.

The only thing spring clamps are better at is speedy assembly and retard proofing in a factory environment. Constant tension isn't necessary for automotive cooling systems.

Edit: Being a flat rate tech I suppose you like the fact that you can't fuck them up with an impact like you can with the worm gears.

I haven’t worked flat rate in a long time and my employee is hourly so shit and fall in it

Often a new hose and/or a new screw clamp will have to be tightened after heat cycling a time or 2. A good spring clamp will prevent that from being an issue.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Often a new hose and/or a new screw clamp will have to be tightened after heat cycling a time or 2. A good spring clamp will prevent that from being an issue.

I've run into that zero times and I've run into the above failure about a couple dozen times (typically on smaller sizes mounted down low, like trans fluid hoses and stuff).

So why's my ratio so different than yours?

 

[DMG]

I've run into that zero times and I've run into the above failure about a couple dozen times (typically on smaller sizes mounted down low, like trans fluid hoses and stuff).

So why's my ratio so different than yours?

I see a lot more cars than you. I have seen 2 spring clamps fail like that.

 

[arse_sidewards]

I see a lot more cars than you. I have seen 2 spring clamps fail like that.

Which still begs the question why the difference in ratio. I get that you're not dealing in 30yo cars so that biases things a bit but still, you'd think if anyone were fucking up the worm gear clamps it'd be the shade tree guys like me and not the supposedly reputable professionals like yourself.

Maybe put down the 1/4 rattle gun and your worm clamps will work better.

 

[MuntCuffin]

So why's my ratio so different than yours?

Because you're a fan of shitty Chrysler and Subaru products.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Because you're a fan of shitty Chrysler and Subaru products.

Subaru from the era I deal in doesn't even use spring clamps or worm clamps (except on the intake).

Ford uses really shitty worm gear clamps in the 80s and 90s. Either mild steel with some black coating or stainless with a mild screw that just rust locks.

 

[DMG]

Which still begs the question why the difference in ratio. I get that you're not dealing in 30yo cars so that biases things a bit but still, you'd think if anyone were fucking up the worm gear clamps it'd be the shade tree guys like me and not the supposedly reputable professionals like yourself.

Maybe put down the 1/4 rattle gun and your worm clamps will work better.

It’s not me fucking them up. It’s occasional cars where I have to turn them a couple turns when the car is here for something else. I see small leaks all the time after the hose compresses and the clamp stretches.

I run the car, let it cool off and retighten.

 

[ExWrench]

LOL at arse bitching about hose clamps that worked flawlessly through the manufacturer's ~8 year, 100,000 mile warranty failing at the 4th owner / shitbox stage of the car's life cycle


EDIT: people about whose opinions auto manufacturers GAF:

 

[Mikel]

 

[Ranch Hand]

Definitely could have used more triangulation.

 

[Jwredneck]

As soon as it started playing I knew what was going to happen

 

[DannyK]

 

[87manche]

so you can put 9 bags in a regular cart.

good to know.

 

[M92PV4U]

 

[M92PV4U]

As soon as it started playing I knew what was going to happen

 

[Ranch Hand]

I walked into a Tractor Supply and asked the checkout girl, "Can I put two hundred pounds in this cart?"

She says, "What are you going to buy?"

"Two hundred pounds of stuff."

 

[arse_sidewards]

LOL at arse bitching about hose clamps that worked flawlessly through the manufacturer's ~8 year, 100,000 mile warranty failing at the 4th owner / shitbox stage of the car's life cycle

The 2nd owner, as far as the DMV databases know.

Yeah I know it outlasted the warranty. They still suck because they replace something that lasted decades.

 

[Ebs]

Fuck that house

wtf builds houses like that. let's build a house sized house but also make it like some shitty condo that you have to share a wall with your neighbor. the whole neighborhood is that mess.

 

[ExWrench]

They still suck because they replace something that lasted decades.

I realize the new car market may be an abstract concept to you but, believe it or not, auto makers constantly shittify assemblies to encheapenate them to remain cost-competitive. The euphemism commonly used for this inferiorizing process is "value engineering". The folks that bought the vehicle new and didn't have to think about that hose clamp for the entire time they owned it got their value out of it.

Between lower part cost, faster assembly time, fewer assembly line tools requiring calibration, and lower instance of post-sale leaks (which would add warranty cost), that constant-tension clamp & similar "innovations" made that car ~$500 cheaper to produce than the same product using 20 year older technologies. I hope you, being a bona-fide cheapass, can appreciate that paying $500 less for a car would leave you budgetary room to replace all the hose clamps with shiny new stainless ones from VatoZone if you really wanted to

 

[M92PV4U]

wtf builds houses like that. let's build a house sized house but also make it like some shitty condo that you have to share a wall with your neighbor. the whole neighborhood is that mess.

You can make more money by building and selling more houses.

 

[SomeGuyFromOlympia]

I realize the new car market may be an abstract concept to you but, believe it or not, auto makers constantly shittify assemblies to encheapenate them to remain cost-competitive. The euphemism commonly used for this inferiorizing process is "value engineering". The folks that bought the vehicle new and didn't have to think about that hose clamp for the entire time they owned it got their value out of it.

Between lower part cost, faster assembly time, fewer assembly line tools requiring calibration, and lower instance of post-sale leaks (which would add warranty cost), that constant-tension clamp & similar "innovations" made that car ~$500 cheaper to produce than the same product using 20 year older technologies. I hope you, being a bona-fide cheapass, can appreciate that paying $500 less for a car would leave you budgetary room to replace all the hose clamps with shiny new stainless ones from VatoZone if you really wanted to

fail on you fuckers that are going 'out' anything that know-it-all
he has done more, experienced more, knows more than everyone in this whole website collectively together, you should know that by now

 

[Void_of_Light]

Because you're a fan of shitty Chrysler and Subaru products.

Subaru uses those damn one time use clamps you have to cut off. Good thing they’re on the valve cover, something you never have to take off.

 

[ExWrench]

fail on you fuckers that are going 'out' anything that know-it-all
he has done more, experienced more, knows more than everyone in this whole website collectively together, you should know that by now

Before I typed that out, I did not know for certain that he was aware of that information.

Now, if he argues to the contrary, I can in good conscience call him an ignorant fuck

 

[Firstram]

fail on you fuckers that are going 'out' anything that know-it-all
he has done more, experienced more, knows more than everyone in this whole website collectively together, you should know that by now

Ex still nailed it

 

[arse_sidewards]

I realize the new car market may be an abstract concept to you but, believe it or not, auto makers constantly shittify assemblies to encheapenate them to remain cost-competitive. The euphemism commonly used for this inferiorizing process is "value engineering". The folks that bought the vehicle new and didn't have to think about that hose clamp for the entire time they owned it got their value out of it.

Between lower part cost, faster assembly time, fewer assembly line tools requiring calibration, and lower instance of post-sale leaks (which would add warranty cost), that constant-tension clamp & similar "innovations" made that car ~$500 cheaper to produce than the same product using 20 year older technologies. I hope you, being a bona-fide cheapass, can appreciate that paying $500 less for a car would leave you budgetary room to replace all the hose clamps with shiny new stainless ones from VatoZone if you really wanted to

I know how it works. But it's still overall an inferior result/product. The fact that the goal was to make more room in the budget to tolerate UAW scumbaggery or some other questionable thing doesn't make it somehow a success.

I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself for being so stupid as to peddle that shit but we all know you don't believe what you're spewing you're just pretending to be stupid acting like a CA expat for the sake of disagreement.

 

[ExWrench]

I know how it works. But it's still overall an inferior result/product.

. . . and you're not the paying customer, so your opinion means . . . approximately . . . dick

Given that your opinion is effectively moot vis-à-vis new automobiles, I chose to skip the rest of your bullshit response


EDIT: you ignorant fuck

 

[MuntCuffin]

I realize the new car market may be an abstract concept to you but, believe it or not, auto makers constantly shittify assemblies to encheapenate them to remain cost-competitive. The euphemism commonly used for this inferiorizing process is "value engineering". The folks that bought the vehicle new and didn't have to think about that hose clamp for the entire time they owned it got their value out of it.

Between lower part cost, faster assembly time, fewer assembly line tools requiring calibration, and lower instance of post-sale leaks (which would add warranty cost), that constant-tension clamp & similar "innovations" made that car ~$500 cheaper to produce than the same product using 20 year older technologies. I hope you, being a bona-fide cheapass, can appreciate that paying $500 less for a car would leave you budgetary room to replace all the hose clamps with shiny new stainless ones from VatoZone if you really wanted to

Freightliner has started using plastic collars that you have to cut off when you need to pull a hose, change a thermostat, or swap a busted radiator.


I mean, I get it. Those plastic collars have 300k miles on em....but damn.

 

[subybaja]

auto makers constantly shittify assemblies to encheapenate them to remain cost-competitive.

Subaru uses those damn one time use clamps you have to cut off. Good thing they’re on the valve cover, something you never have to take off.

Not the generation I worry about! I'm still with Arse's pickle bails. I tried to swap out to worm drive, and they leaked. After 5 tightenings over a week, I went back to wire.

 

[[486]]

Which still begs the question why the difference in ratio. I get that you're not dealing in 30yo cars so that biases things a bit but still, you'd think if anyone were fucking up the worm gear clamps it'd be the shade tree guys like me and not the supposedly reputable professionals like yourself.

Maybe put down the 1/4 rattle gun and your worm clamps will work better.

have you ever installed a brand new hose that has never been smushed before?

they do loosen up a li'l over time until they settle in

 

[arse_sidewards]

have you ever installed a brand new hose that has never been smushed before?

Tons of times. I never have problems.

Car I'm driving today actually has all new (less than 5yo hoses) including heater circuit and shit.