What's new

Do New Ford Trucks Suck, or are My Expectations Too High?

Do new Ford trucks suck?


  • Total voters
    22

BroncoJoe96

Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2024
Member Number
7944
Messages
19
Hey Guys,

I'm writing this as I'm sitting and waiting to pick up my 2021 F-250 from the dealership that is getting a new 10 speed trans installed. Once it’s done, I can get going to a wheeling trip that I've had planned for months. The truck has 67k miles and change on the clock, and is powered by the 7.3 Godzilla engine. It's used as a daily driver and to tow my 7.3 Powerstroke Swapped Bronco that I have posted here:


IMG_3894.jpeg


Like I had mentioned, at 67,000 miles or so, the trans ended up full of metal and needing a complete replacement. It's been out of service for roughly 40 days so I've resulted to daily driving my 7.3 swapped Bronco on 44s. My commute varies between 40 minutes to an hour each way, every day. Ford is unable to get me a replacement loaner truck.

Other than the trans issue, the trucks been pretty good to me besides some minor quirks. The driver side window gear stripped so it has a hard time with the power folding closed feature, and I had the running boards replaced under warranty because the paint started peeling on them. I bought the truck new in October of '21, so I'm going on 3 years of owner ship.

While waiting today, my dad gave me a call to see if I could run out to the store for him to get a pinion seal for the rear of his 2017 F-250, with 90,000k miles on it. He bought the truck new in 2017, and just had to put an exhaust manifold on it this weekend that had cracked nearly in half. We dropped it after he pulled it, but you can see the original crack that went nearly completely around.

IMG_4116.jpeg


At 90,000 miles I think he's gone through 3 sets of brakes and tires, as well as just doing all new steering in the front. Also, he had various chrome pieces replaced under the 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty that all had started to rust. He uses his truck in a similar fashion to me. He daily drives it, and also uses it to tow his Bronco/trailer around misc. things.

Before my '21 I had an '18 F-250 the the 6.2L that I got at used at roughly 25k miles. I only put about 25k or 30k miles on it before Covid hit, and they ended up paying me $10,000 more than I paid for it to buy it back, so it had made sense to upgrade to the '21. In that short time I had some front end components replaced under warranty, and also had a door sensor replaced that was acting up and would constantly think the drivers door was being open. That's extremely annoying while driving, but even worse when parked because you couldn't lock the truck without the alarm constantly going off.

IMG_8043.jpeg


Not a Super Duty, but my buddy has a 2018 F-150 with 60ish k on it, and the things starting to consume oil and have rust holes in the bumpers.

My question is, are my expectations too high or do the new Ford trucks suck? Minus the blown trans, I know the other issues are symptoms of an aging truck, but consistent issues before 100k miles seems to be excessive to me. And they're also relatively new and rode easy. If they were older trucks that sat a ton or were rode hard work trucks, I'd completely understand that too.

I also understand everything new is junk. After discovering the truck needed a trans, I looked at some Rams and GMCs, but there really didn't seem to be much of an upside. I've always been a Ford guy and the peace of mind in the northeast of an aluminum body is cool. I think it just rubs me the wrong way because these trucks are so expensive. If it was a used truck, I wouldn't mind putting money into it or having down time. Buying it new and having it fail just outside of warranty is a different story. Especially when they can’t at the very least give you a loaner.


So you guys tell me, do new Ford trucks suck (if so, what would you get and why do they not suck), or are my expectations too high?
 
Last edited:
Also, if anyone’s interested to see the symptoms of a blown trans in a new Alumiduty, here’s a video I put together. Look out if you’re in the used market.

Buyer Beware - 2021 Ford Super Duty Blown Transmission @67K Miles - Common Issue - 10R140 Code P07F7
 
They are all junk now, pick the flavor you like and deal with the quirks.

Long gone are the days of manufactures building trucks that last 20yrs with regular maintenance because there is no money in it for them.
That’s kind of the thought I ended up with. It’s a bummer no one makes a van with any sort of towing capacity any more. I would have traded the truck in on a van and made it a nice crawler hauler/camper real quick.
 
You aren't the only one on this forum with new Super Duky problems. Covecrawler found a bunch of metal in his oil filter with 10k on it.

 
That’s kind of the thought I ended up with. It’s a bummer no one makes a van with any sort of towing capacity any more. I would have traded the truck in on a van and made it a nice crawler hauler/camper real quick.

Have a nice express for sale.
 
I have a lot of confidence in the superdutys from about 2011-2019 as I've worked around them a ton. Almost every construction company I've worked for preferred them over ram and Chevy. Currently I drive a 2019 F550 for work. It pulls an excavator 95% of the time and tips the scales around 35k lbs, or even more if I hook to our vac trailer.

It's only at 45k miles, but that wieght up and down hills every day is still something to be said.

We also have 6 other F550s 2019-2023

I feel like anything made after Covid is a total crap shoot. My work has ford, Chevy, Peterbilt, kenworth, genie and Jcb all post Covid and none have been trouble free. One of the 23 Chevy duramax trucks just lost a valve body at 20k miles, and apparently they're on national back order. :homer:
 
They are all junk now, pick the flavor you like and deal with the quirks.

Long gone are the days of manufactures building trucks that last 20yrs with regular maintenance because there is no money in it for them.

It's no different now than it was 20-30 years ago. Nostalgia mixed with survivor bias is real. Domestics have always been trash and still are trash. Just depends on what flavor of garbage you like.

The LBZ truck we had always found new ways to hurt you. HVAC blend doors, trans lines, glow plugs, front end parts (constantly), and rot sets in quickly.

GMT 400 trucks weren't any better and squares look cool...but if we were all honest with ourselves, were huge pieces of shit in which nothing electronic worked after 3-5 years after they left the show room floor. Oh, and to boot, they all broke frames in front eventually.

My 2000 7.3 truck always needed something too, brakes were TERRIBLE and were a constant battle with stuck calipers and warped rotors. 5.4's of the era are known for their reliability too :lmao:.

Dodge/Ram stuff has always been complete and utter garbage outside of a certain brand of engine that folks like to blow their load over.
 
Sounds pretty good to me?
in 70K your trans went out, could have been many factors that took it out, but only whom ever opens it up will know.
The paint pealing off seems more environmental to me, you might even be able to blame the mirror gear on environment as well.
Most Covid era ANYTHING was not build well as labor and parts were an issue.
BUT, ever drive a 1990's Ford? 70k with only a few issues is unheard of.
 
I have a lot of confidence in the superdutys from about 2011-2019 as I've worked around them a ton. Almost every construction company I've worked for preferred them over ram and Chevy. Currently I drive a 2019 F550 for work. It pulls an excavator 95% of the time and tips the scales around 35k lbs, or even more if I hook to our vac trailer.

It's only at 45k miles, but that wieght up and down hills every day is still something to be said.

We also have 6 other F550s 2019-2023

I feel like anything made after Covid is a total crap shoot. My work has ford, Chevy, Peterbilt, kenworth, genie and Jcb all post Covid and none have been trouble free. One of the 23 Chevy duramax trucks just lost a valve body at 20k miles, and apparently they're on national back order. :homer:
My 23 gmc 3500 gave me the limp mode between green river and Utah Valley. A damn long ride at 50 mph on memorial weekend with a mile of traffic behind me. I was pissed to say the least!:mad3: They put the new valve body in a week later. No problems for the last 5,000 miles. Nephew had two of their 450’s do the same thing the week later. Pick your poison. You don’t get what you pay for in any of them.

And don’t even start on the square body craze. I grew up with them. They were rusty piles of shit in a few years. And that is in Utah not the rust belt. And 100,000 miles was pretty much the expected life span of a car or truck.
 
Remember when there were spy shots every couple of years with camouflaged vehicles being tested in the harshest Michigan winters and Death Valley summers? Back when car companies actually tested, modified, and improved their new platforms before hucking them out to the general public?

Not no more.

Nowdays, with the average American attention span that barely gaps a tick tock video who wants a new body style or a faster motor every 5 years... they just make it run, shove it out the door, and hope it makes it 36k miles.

And the EPA making ridiculous fuel mileage requirements that don't do a goddamned thing, forcing manufacturers to use thinner metal on bodies as part of weight saving measures, leading to all the snowbacks driving rusty trucks before they reach the last coupon in their 84 month payment book.

So yeah, the new Ford trucks suck. And their SUVs and cars. GM, Dodge, and Toyota, too. All of them. And yeah, your standards are too high. Get used to it, it only gets worse from here.
 
My 23 gmc 3500 gave me the limp mode between green river and Utah Valley. A damn long ride at 50 mph on memorial weekend with a mile of traffic behind me. I was pissed to say the least!:mad3: They put the new valve body in a week later. No problems for the last 5,000 miles. Nephew had two of their 450’s do the same thing the week later. Pick your poison. You don’t get what you pay for in any of them.

This one decided to shift kinda after a while.

Glad yours was able to be fixed. Our mechanic says they're on backorder for a while. Haven't heard anything in a while though.

And don’t even start on the square body craze. I grew up with them. They were rusty piles of shit in a few years. And that is in Utah not the rust belt. And 100,000 miles was pretty much the expected life span of a car or truck.

I grew up with them and do have a soft spot. I've never thought of them as some durable workhorse like some claim though.

People (including myself) can claim new rigs are pos, but at the same time, when you get a good one, they can be pretty damn good. People just blow issues out of the water with the internet. Lots of newer trucks out there working every day without issues.
 
This one decided to shift kinda after a while.

Glad yours was able to be fixed. Our mechanic says they're on backorder for a while. Haven't heard anything in a while though.



I grew up with them and do have a soft spot. I've never thought of them as some durable workhorse like some claim though.

People (including myself) can claim new rigs are pos, but at the same time, when you get a good one, they can be pretty damn good. People just blow issues out of the water with the internet. Lots of newer trucks out there working every day without issues.
I agree with you on this. I owned four 70 thru 72 trucks. Small blocks And the one 401(just a 396 rebadged) They all had their problems. Framed all cracked on the the steering box locations. The frames were way weaker than today’s models. Springs the same. I loved em and actually cried when the guy drove off in my k20 super that had all the factory bells and whistles so we could pay our house payment. I’ve had a f350 7.3 for 22 years. Its second trans is probably on its way out. I’ve done injectors twice. A complete new factory engine wiring harness. Rebuilt the turbo. New exhaust manifolds. God only knows how many brakes, rotors and ball joints. It has 220,000 on the clock. It’s been relegated to work truck. My point is every truck is a fucking money pit. Look at jx with the infamous 6.4. The cocksuckers are gonna all die an earlier death than any of us would like.
 
Remember when there were spy shots every couple of years with camouflaged vehicles being tested in the harshest Michigan winters and Death Valley summers? Back when car companies actually tested, modified, and improved their new platforms before hucking them out to the general public?

Not no more.

Nowdays, with the average American attention span that barely gaps a tick tock video who wants a new body style or a faster motor every 5 years... they just make it run, shove it out the door, and hope it makes it 36k miles.

And the EPA making ridiculous fuel mileage requirements that don't do a goddamned thing, forcing manufacturers to use thinner metal on bodies as part of weight saving measures, leading to all the snowbacks driving rusty trucks before they reach the last coupon in their 84 month payment book.

So yeah, the new Ford trucks suck. And their SUVs and cars. GM, Dodge, and Toyota, too. All of them. And yeah, your standards are too high. Get used to it, it only gets worse from here.
The 5 year body changes has been going on for 50 years, before that it was every year or every other year. Hence why you can spot the year of a car just from a 30 second outside look

Hell, my kid who is mostly disinterested in cars can identify the correct decade for the past 100 years just wandering around.
 
Toyota has been trying to go against that. Which I kinda appreciate, but it also sucks to buy a brand new rig with the same drivetrain from 20 years ago, buy hey, at least the interior and body are 10% different :laughing:

Then they finally go and refresh the trucks and it's nothing but problems :homer::lmao:
 
  • Like
Reactions: DMG
Here’s a pathetic problem.

Ford is saying the new ranger requires this bed reinforcement if you have a camper shell, side box, etc. if you have more then 88 lbs on the bed side to prevent issues.

What a crock of shit. The early 2000s rangers were used and abused and didn’t give a fuck.
 
Here’s a pathetic problem.

Ford is saying the new ranger requires this bed reinforcement if you have a camper shell, side box, etc. if you have more then 88 lbs on the bed side to prevent issues.

What a crock of shit. The early 2000s rangers were used and abused and didn’t give a fuck.
Thank the EPA. They do that shit to shave ounces.

I wonder if the global ones get the same bed.....
 
Here’s a pathetic problem.

Ford is saying the new ranger requires this bed reinforcement if you have a camper shell, side box, etc. if you have more then 88 lbs on the bed side to prevent issues.

What a crock of shit. The early 2000s rangers were used and abused and didn’t give a fuck.
What brand doesn’t need that at this point? Tacoma composite bed damn near spreads apart just looking at it. Find brackets at all sorts of price points for Toyota, Ford, Ram, Chevy. Possible correlation to slamming shut or “lift and jiggle the handle” to open the old ones?
 
What brand doesn’t need that at this point? Tacoma composite bed damn near spreads apart just looking at it. Find brackets at all sorts of price points for Toyota, Ford, Ram, Chevy. Possible correlation to slamming shut or “lift and jiggle the handle” to open the old ones?

I was just thinking the same thing about Tacoma beds and all the stiffener kits you see for sale for them. Tailgates for Tacoma's are particularly know for turning into v-shapes with dirt bikes.

The Ranger deal is with the plastic caps that come on the top of bed rails. There are knockouts that get a spacer put in them so that the accessory rides on the actual bed rail rather than the plastic caps. Seems silly that for lifted the caps off the bed, but that's what they chose to do.

ranger bed rail.jpg
 
What brand doesn’t need that at this point? Tacoma composite bed damn near spreads apart just looking at it. Find brackets at all sorts of price points for Toyota, Ford, Ram, Chevy. Possible correlation to slamming shut or “lift and jiggle the handle” to open the old ones?
Was going to say... Toyota beds have been 'splitting' since 2005...
 
Here’s a pathetic problem.

Ford is saying the new ranger requires this bed reinforcement if you have a camper shell, side box, etc. if you have more then 88 lbs on the bed side to prevent issues.

What a crock of shit. The early 2000s rangers were used and abused and didn’t give a fuck.

Wtf?

Maybe I won’t buy a 2020 Ranger in 2040.

y’all are probably tired of seeing the pic but I can vouch for a first gen Ranger bedsides supporting 1200 pounds.
 
Top Back Refresh