Did ya hear? Covid is over!

[arse_sidewards]

That's insane. It's easy to say it was deliberate with hindsight. I dunno.

With a sufficient amount of ignorance and negligence it doesn't matter if it's deliberate or not.

It should have taken them a week or two to collect the data and realize that seniors going on vents at 80% were doing better than seniors going on vents at 90%

In the absence of WHO guidance countries are gonna do what they normally do. The WHO should have been able to just wait and see. Instead they did something to be seen doing something and then stuck to with it long past the point they should have in order to save face with the public. When people in private industry do that they get fired. But with government it's (d)ifferent.

 

[FlatLander]

With the creepy whisper voice or the out of place yelling voice?

Mix bag. I'm figuring this will be during the debate. Probably mostly be speaking normally but as stern as he can muster, which will depend on when during the questioning it comes up. The one word sentences will be more whispered. But the more he repeats it throughout the night, it'll get into yelling. And despite the whole thing being simple words that even he shouldn't be able to fuck up, toss in his typical random mumbling and flat out fucking up and forgetting words.

 

[Slander]

I was skeptical of everything in the beginning, knew you can't turn the economy off and back on again like a light switch, but these types of articles were the nail in the coffin for me:

The level of anarcho tyranny during that time was nuts.

 

[Provience]

You picked 3 examples in a massive state with 39 million people, probably because those are the ones you saw on the news. I lived here and there was nothing BUT people outside doing outside things. The trails I regularly mountain biked suddenly got 100x the traffic it was noticeable. That was on county park land, blm land, and city bike parks. Keep on citing one skate park in a state of thousands.

Far more than 3 available, how much of a list do you need to know it was happening? Wa state is a state of millions and went harder than cali with their shutdowns, so again for broad examples it absolutely did happen and there is no benefit in denying it with bullshit

 

[Provience]

That's insane. It's easy to say it was deliberate with hindsight. I dunno. Pre COVID if your oxygen numbers were low, you'd get the vent. Just seems like the right people have access to the right information to me.

It was easy to say it was deliberate while it was happening too

 

[Provience]

With a sufficient amount of ignorance and negligence it doesn't matter if it's deliberate or not.

It should have taken them a week or two to collect the data and realize that seniors going on vents at 80% were doing better than seniors going on vents at 90%

In the absence of WHO guidance countries are gonna do what they normally do. The WHO should have been able to just wait and see. Instead they did something to be seen doing something and then stuck to with it long past the point they should have in order to save face with the public. When people in private industry do that they get fired. But with government it's (d)ifferent.

The princess cruise line should have been all the info anybody needed

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Far more than 3 available, how much of a list do you need to know it was happening? Wa state is a state of millions and went harder than cali with their shutdowns, so again for broad examples it absolutely did happen and there is no benefit in denying it with bullshit

You brought the state I live in into this and claimed you knew better what was happening here than I did. I sent you back 12 months of pictures during that time I personally took from all over the state to show that wasn't true. This makes me think you might be guessing at what went on during that time based on news or other media you saw vs what people were actually experiencing. I can't speak for WA because I wasn't there, but your cali assumptions were wrong.

 

[rockota]

That's insane. It's easy to say it was deliberate with hindsight. I dunno. Pre COVID if your oxygen numbers were low, you'd get the vent. Just seems like the right people have access to the right information to me.

history says otherwise.

 

[rockota]

You brought the state I live in into this and claimed you knew better what was happening here than I did. I sent you back 12 months of pictures during that time I personally took from all over the state to show that wasn't true. This makes me think you might be guessing at what went on during that time based on news or other media you saw vs what people were actually experiencing. I can't speak for WA because I wasn't there, but your cali assumptions were wrong.

So all of a sudden YOU don't trust the media?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

So all of a sudden YOU don't trust the media?

All of a sudden?

 

[Texas97]

You brought the state I live in into this and claimed you knew better what was happening here than I did. I sent you back 12 months of pictures during that time I personally took from all over the state to show that wasn't true. This makes me think you might be guessing at what went on during that time based on news or other media you saw vs what people were actually experiencing. I can't speak for WA because I wasn't there, but your cali assumptions were wrong.

conversely, you live in a very rural area in one of the largest states in the nation. can you say you know or dont know about what happened in other parts of the state? Did you travel to these large metro areas during that time?

im not claiming i know, but getting defensive when someone offers examples of the lunacy in your state, just because you didnt personally experience it is disingenuous at best, and very liberal at worst.

here is a list of public outdoor places that were closed

Tracking California's closed beaches

 

[xr-nut]

How are they suppressing treatments if they don't know what they are treating?

I had a reply typed up earlier but deleted it. This arguing over the rona is tiresome. But this comment I couldn't pass up. We have a home here that lost 30+ in a 6 month span. The did nothing to help any of them. NOTHING. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. They literally died alone in their rooms with no medical help of any kind.

I don't care where you lie politically. I don't care where you lie on the scamdemic vs pandemic. I don't care where you lie on genders. I don't care really anything else about you or what you do/believe in. But if you don't think they should have done something, anything at all.......then you are dead to me. Fucking dead to me. I won't piss on you if you're on fire, dead to me. And I did put my money where my mouth is. I built a clinic for better health care in my community. A place that tries ALL of the remedies to help recover from the rona. Not let you die alone in your bed. Sent home from the hospital to die alone.

And this really isnt aimed at you tinroof, its aimed at that sentiment in your comment. I'll still piss on you if you're on fire. Unless you really believe they couldn't/shouldn't have done something for those people.

 

[Provience]

You brought the state I live in into this and claimed you knew better what was happening here than I did. I sent you back 12 months of pictures during that time I personally took from all over the state to show that wasn't true. This makes me think you might be guessing at what went on during that time based on news or other media you saw vs what people were actually experiencing. I can't speak for WA because I wasn't there, but your cali assumptions were wrong.

No, we said that public places and outdoors were being shut down. You said you didn't believe it. So I gave you famous examples from your own state.

And fuck yes, apparently I do know what was happening in your state better than you. It did happen, you were there and you chose to ignore it or gloss over it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen so no need to go fucking off with pictures just because you didn't "get in trouble"

Hell, another one from Cali. Remember when the fuckhead demanded the beaches closed and then photos appeared of him and his family on the empty beach? That was closer your way.

I'm sure that didn't happen either because it didnt effect you enough

 

[Provience]

conversely, you live in a very rural area in one of the largest states in the nation. can you say you know or dont know about what happened in other parts of the state? Did you travel to these large metro areas during that time?

im not claiming i know, but getting defensive when someone offers examples of the lunacy in your state, just because you didnt personally experience it is disingenuous at best, and very liberal at worst.

here is a list of public outdoor places that were closed

Tracking California's closed beaches

"I already own all my guns, they should be illegal for everybody else"

"My train runs on time, it should be illegal for anybody else to railroad"

"My bank is safe for your money, anybody who starts a small bank should be shut down"


Yeah. Just because government abuse isn't so negative to you or even profitable doesn't make it any less abusive.


This is yet again why the skeptics and deniers on thr other extreme are less dangerous and more beneficial to broader society. Sure, 2 extremes. Zero equivalent

 

[Mikenike]

No, we said that public places and outdoors were being shut down. You said you didn't believe it. So I gave you famous examples from your own state.

And fuck yes, apparently I do know what was happening in your state better than you. It did happen, you were there and you chose to ignore it or gloss over it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen so no need to go fucking off with pictures just because you didn't "get in trouble"

Hell, another one from Cali. Remember when the fuckhead demanded the beaches closed and then photos appeared of him and his family on the empty beach? That was closer your way.

I'm sure that didn't happen either because it didnt effect you enough

Or newsome telling people to not gather anywhere and closing down restaurants? Then throwing a giant private bash with all his political campaign buddies? That was awesome or it was for sandy anyway. I mean he didn't personally see it so didn't happen right?

 

[Tin Roof]

I had a reply typed up earlier but deleted it. This arguing over the rona is tiresome. But this comment I couldn't pass up. We have a home here that lost 30+ in a 6 month span. The did nothing to help any of them. NOTHING. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. They literally died alone in their rooms with no medical help of any kind.

I don't care where you lie politically. I don't care where you lie on the scamdemic vs pandemic. I don't care where you lie on genders. I don't care really anything else about you or what you do/believe in. But if you don't think they should have done something, anything at all.......then you are dead to me. Fucking dead to me. I won't piss on you if you're on fire, dead to me. And I did put my money where my mouth is. I built a clinic for better health care in my community. A place that tries ALL of the remedies to help recover from the rona. Not let you die alone in your bed. Sent home from the hospital to die alone.

And this really isnt aimed at you tinroof, its aimed at that sentiment in your comment. I'll still piss on you if you're on fire. Unless you really believe they couldn't/shouldn't have done something for those people.

I get where you are coming from, and do know that happened in some facilities. In the ones that I have personal knowledge of, they tried treating the residents like they normally would for a respiratory illness like any they had previously seen. They didn't just ignore them and leave them to die. Now that said, I'm sure there's facilities in bigger metro areas where they did just let them go.

Our daughter was still a CNA when the pandemic started. She was working at multiple facilities because suddenly they were all understaffed due to illness or other CNA's realizing they could make more money staying at home and collecting covid pay. She and her coworkers were working 80 hour weeks busting ass to try to care for these people. Some would just sleep in spare rooms at the facility. They did whatever they could to keep them alive. My daughter cried every time a resident died, and has even gone to some of their funerals. She isn't the only one like that. Don't assume that residents in all facilities were just locked in their rooms to die with no care.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

conversely, you live in a very rural area in one of the largest states in the nation. can you say you know or dont know about what happened in other parts of the state? Did you travel to these large metro areas during that time?

im not claiming i know, but getting defensive when someone offers examples of the lunacy in your state, just because you didnt personally experience it is disingenuous at best, and very liberal at worst.

here is a list of public outdoor places that were closed

Tracking California's closed beaches

He offered three very small examples for a large state and used it to make a blanket statement about the entire area.

Yes, I traveled to San Diego to visit my parents- some of the pictures I posted were from there. I also traveled to the Los Angeles area to visit my wife's family. Not as many greenspaces around there to recreate in, but the parks and beach were open and we used them. I was up in the mountains behind los gatos to mountain bike, no issues there. Also rode in China Camp across the bay from SF. I was also in South and North Lake tahoe and rode in bike parks, ski resorts, and other trails there.
Basically during the most strict year of lockdowns, I traveled all over california and made use of outdoor areas for recreation. I don't think it's disingenuous to use my personal experience since I got a good sampling of a large part of the state.

I did not go to the eastern part of California much other than the socal desert during that time, so maybe all that outdoor shaming and all those closures happened there, but I doubt it since most of that area is traditionally more right leaning than the coast. Maybe Yosemite?

 

[Texas97]

He offered three very small examples for a large state and used it to make a blanket statement about the entire area.

Yes, I traveled to San Diego to visit my parents- some of the pictures I posted were from there. I also traveled to the Los Angeles area to visit my wife's family. Not as many greenspaces around there to recreate in, but the parks and beach were open and we used them. I was up in the mountains behind los gatos to mountain bike, no issues there. Also rode in China Camp across the bay from SF. I was also in South and North Lake tahoe and rode in bike parks, ski resorts, and other trails there.
Basically during the most strict year of lockdowns, I traveled all over california and made use of outdoor areas for recreation. I don't think it's disingenuous to use my personal experience since I got a good sampling of a large part of the state.

I did not go to the eastern part of California much other than the socal desert during that time, so maybe all that outdoor shaming and all those closures happened there, but I doubt it since most of that area is traditionally more right leaning than the coast. Maybe Yosemite?

Read the list of closed beaches. No amount of your gaslighting or revisionist history can change what happened.

 

[Provience]

He offered three very small examples for a large state and used it to make a blanket statement about the entire area.

Yes, I traveled to San Diego to visit my parents- some of the pictures I posted were from there. I also traveled to the Los Angeles area to visit my wife's family. Not as many greenspaces around there to recreate in, but the parks and beach were open and we used them. I was up in the mountains behind los gatos to mountain bike, no issues there. Also rode in China Camp across the bay from SF. I was also in South and North Lake tahoe and rode in bike parks, ski resorts, and other trails there.
Basically during the most strict year of lockdowns, I traveled all over california and made use of outdoor areas for recreation. I don't think it's disingenuous to use my personal experience since I got a good sampling of a large part of the state.

I did not go to the eastern part of California much other than the socal desert during that time, so maybe all that outdoor shaming and all those closures happened there, but I doubt it since most of that area is traditionally more right leaning than the coast. Maybe Yosemite?

Certainly Yosemite as it's federal park. Yes, there were beach closures.

Sorry I picked 3 famous examples. Didn't mean to pick small ones for you


It is disingenuous to use your experience to deny that public closures and shaming for existing outdoors occurred.

 

[xr-nut]

I get where you are coming from, and do know that happened in some facilities. In the ones that I have personal knowledge of, they tried treating the residents like they normally would for a respiratory illness like any they had previously seen.

One more comment from me on this, then i'm out. I have work to do There were nurses here who felt like your daughter. Hell I'd hope they all did. I know a few personally who quit and left the industry because they weren't allowed to help people.

"they tried treating the residents like they normally would for a respiratory illness like any they had previously seen"

That wasn't enough. There were other things they could have tried. That they were being told they couldn't/shouldn't try. But they should have tried EVERYTHING. But that didn't fit the narrative, whatever that was. By the time these people were dying, there were other options that were purposefully being ignored. For the narrative.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I had a reply typed up earlier but deleted it. This arguing over the rona is tiresome. But this comment I couldn't pass up. We have a home here that lost 30+ in a 6 month span. The did nothing to help any of them. NOTHING. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. They literally died alone in their rooms with no medical help of any kind.

I don't care where you lie politically. I don't care where you lie on the scamdemic vs pandemic. I don't care where you lie on genders. I don't care really anything else about you or what you do/believe in. But if you don't think they should have done something, anything at all.......then you are dead to me. Fucking dead to me. I won't piss on you if you're on fire, dead to me. And I did put my money where my mouth is. I built a clinic for better health care in my community. A place that tries ALL of the remedies to help recover from the rona. Not let you die alone in your bed. Sent home from the hospital to die alone.

And this really isnt aimed at you tinroof, its aimed at that sentiment in your comment. I'll still piss on you if you're on fire. Unless you really believe they couldn't/shouldn't have done something for those people.

Hospitals suck. Care facilities sometimes even more so if you're not paying top dollar.

My dad is almost 80 and has Parkinson's, but on some meds that help and in general can get around and his mind is still there. He slipped and fell a month or so ago and was worried he may have a spinal injury, so rather than helping him off the floor, we had an ambulance show up, get him out on a backboard and take him to the hospital to get checked out. They xrayed and MRI'd and declared he was good. That should have been the end of it right? Nope. He has low blood pressure(common thing with Parkinson's), so he takes meds during the day that pump up his blood pressure, but he's not supposed to lie down. What does the hospital do? They say his blood pressure is high so they can't release him. Duh, he's been lying down all day. THEN they keep him there all weekend while they continue to give him his blood pressure meds and keep him lying down. THEN they fawk up the schedule he's supposed to take his other meds so it's easier for the nurses to hand out meds to everyone on the floor at the same time. It took about 2 days of this and my dad suddenly wasn't my dad anymore. He could hardly speak, couldn't walk, hallucinated, got a UTI, ect. The whole time my mom and I are fighting with the resident doctor to change what they're doing. The asshole wouldn't change until we got another doctor friend to look into the issue and rip him a new one. Then they decide, welp! our work here is done and they send him off to a care facility.

Luckily he went to a good one that was expensive as hell and we got to dictate his medication and PT and all that. After about a week he finally came around and I had my dad back. The first day he was able to have a normal conversation and actually stand up again, one of the nurses that had been caring for him actually cried and told me it was a miracle. A lot of them thought he was never coming back. He's at home now and we've got PT and PA people working with him multiple days a week to get his strength back. My wife also goes over and helps him do recommended workouts when no one else can. He's almost back to his old self.

So I started researching all of this and I guess what happened to my dad is a common thing for people with Parkinson's when they go to a hospital. No one there knows what care they need and no one there cares to figure out the problem. After going through all that and watching them pretty much fawk up my dad's life for months, I have zero faith in hospitals to actually be competent.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Certainly Yosemite as it's federal park. Yes, there were beach closures.

Sorry I picked 3 famous examples. Didn't mean to pick small ones for you


It is disingenuous to use your experience to deny that public closures and shaming for existing outdoors occurred.

You picked the examples that fox news latched onto as sensationalistic pieces of news.

I have not denied that closures existed. I asked for more info on this happening and you came back and tried to tell me about the state that I lived and actively traveled and used outdoor recreation areas during that time. Maybe Washington was different, maybe other states were different, and that the information I was looking for, not for someone to try and tell me what I experienced where I live and recreate.

Here's my original post on the matter:

I'm really confused about the "shut down outdoors" line? Around here that's where everyone was during covid. County parks, blm land, campgrounds, bike paths... all insanely crowded. My buddies and I were selling our old mountain bikes for waaay more than they were worth because everyone wanted to do outdoorsy stuff once the bars, bowling alleys, movie theaters, etc were closed.

 

[rockota]

You picked the examples that fox news latched onto as sensationalistic pieces of news.

I have not denied that closures existed. I asked for more info on this happening and you came back and tried to tell me about the state that I lived and actively traveled and used outdoor recreation areas during that time. Maybe Washington was different, maybe other states were different, and that the information I was looking for, not for someone to try and tell me what I experienced where I live and recreate.

Here's my original post on the matter:

The old Harry is back!!!

 

[PoBoy84]

Certainly Yosemite as it's federal park. Yes, there were beach closures.

Sorry I picked 3 famous examples. Didn't mean to pick small ones for you


It is disingenuous to use your experience to deny that public closures and shaming for existing outdoors occurred.

Oh it occurred. Some of the places that eventually closed, but were open for a little while around here was the beautiful Red River Gorge. What they didn't close for the virus, they ended up closing anyway due to the influx of people who don't normally do outdoors things shitting all over the place. Happened many places cause park maintenance either got sent home or couldn't keep up. I spent shit loads of time outside during covid, but much of my activities are in remote areas. My kids weren't even allowed on playgrounds in town for a while.

 

[Tin Roof]

One more comment from me on this, then i'm out. I have work to do There were nurses here who felt like your daughter. Hell I'd hope they all did. I know a few personally who quit and left the industry because they weren't allowed to help people.


That wasn't enough. There were other things they could have tried. That they were being told they couldn't/shouldn't try. But they should have tried EVERYTHING. But that didn't fit the narrative, whatever that was. By the time these people were dying, there were other options that were purposefully being ignored. For the narrative.

In the early stages they did what they could based on what they knew. Later on, you are right, there were most likely options that were not pursued. That's not the CNA or resident RN's fault though. They risk fines, jail, and loss of license if they go outside of what they are allowed to do. So they treat as best they can.

Now keep in mind, most of those that died (at least locally) did not die in the nursing homes. They spent weeks or months in the hospital and died there. The nursing homes are not treatment centers, they sent them off to be treated. Again, that's locally. YMMV.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Oh it occurred. Some of the places that eventually closed, but were open for a little while around here was the beautiful Red River Gorge. What they didn't close for the virus, they ended up closing anyway due to the influx of people who don't normally do outdoors things shitting all over the place. Happened many places cause park maintenance either got sent home or couldn't keep up. I spent shit loads of time outside during covid, but much of my activities are in remote areas. My kids weren't even allowed on playgrounds in town for a while.

Man, that's nuts. I always think that somehow California would toe the left leaning line the hardest, and then I hear stuff about other places that makes me think otherwise.

 

[Provience]

You picked the examples that fox news latched onto as sensationalistic pieces of news.

I have not denied that closures existed. I asked for more info on this happening and you came back and tried to tell me about the state that I lived and actively traveled and used outdoor recreation areas during that time. Maybe Washington was different, maybe other states were different, and that the information I was looking for, not for someone to try and tell me what I experienced where I live and recreate.

Here's my original post on the matter:

Again, I used examples that got notoriety, sorry CNN wasn't trying to blast against the closures with press

"Tell me about these closures" yeah, that's you whitewashing your brain of what happened even in your state. That's why I used examples from your state. Hell, I also went to California during the lockdown times. Seemed like easily validated news reports would carry more weight to the convoy than just the he said she said about the shit actually happening.

 

[surpip]

Read the list of closed beaches. No amount of your gaslighting or revisionist history can change what happened.

Certainly Yosemite as it's federal park. Yes, there were beach closures.

Sorry I picked 3 famous examples. Didn't mean to pick small ones for you


It is disingenuous to use your experience to deny that public closures and shaming for existing outdoors occurred.

I don't think he was denying anything, his experience roughly resembles mine (except for too much biking for my fat ass) I didn't really change my lifestyle at all, me the the GF went out a lot during covid. Besides it being harder to get a haircut nothing much changed other than awesome traffic. I read about the crazy shit happening, but didn't really experience much of it.

 

[Provience]

I don't think he was denying anything, his experience roughly resembles mine (except for too much biking for my fat ass) I didn't really change my lifestyle at all, me the the GF went out a lot during covid. Besides it being harder to get a haircut nothing much changed other than awesome traffic. I read about the crazy shit happening, but didn't really experience much of it.

Seems odd as fuck when we were broadly bitching about controlling people and shutting down the outdoors to say "tell me more about that, I was outside all the time no closure here"

 

[surpip]

Seems odd as fuck when we were broadly bitching about controlling people and shutting down the outdoors to say "tell me more about that, I was outside all the time no closure here"

I mean, it can seem odd as fuck to you all you want.
So once again, I'll not deny some stupid fuckery happened here, and that I fully disagreed with it, and also I was not really affected by it in any way in the activities I wanted to pursue.