Projectjunkie
Whatever
Ex mil recommended this for mine, I just bought whatever was mid grade at lowes, haven't sprayed it yet
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Barndominium or Shopdominium Steel Building Experience?
- Thread starter BDK
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Ex mil recommended this for mine, I just bought whatever was mid grade at lowes, haven't sprayed it yet
XtremeJ
Wanker
Absolutely notepoxy?
might not like the look after a few years of direct sunlight though
As great as epoxy is at many things, it sucks at any sort of UV exposure. Known method to break down epoxy bonds. Talking UV exposure in the tropics in a marine environment. High altitude desert is almost as bad.
You can add UV protection to epoxy but unless things have changed, that means losing the clear finish, most of the UV protectants I have used in epoxy have been in solid color like white or grey. Ends up looking like gel coat.
Was even told that a basic poly urethane varnish like Minwax will work as a protector over epoxy - no personal experience - but that would mean allowing the epoxy to dry completely and then having to sand to create a bond for the poly-U. And possibly interaction between the two. too much labor for my taste
BDK
Red Skull Member
That patio is awesome!
Ex mil recommended this for mine, I just bought whatever was mid grade at lowes, haven't sprayed it yet
ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
BDK
Red Skull Member
The current issue is the power company. Or mainly, the new residence "engineer". About a year and a half ago, he was out on the property. We walked around and he didn't see any issues running power to the pad. He specifically said they could come up the south easement and didn't need a trail or road to cut across to the pad because their service trucks could drive across without one. I also put in a new residence power request over a year ago.
Fast forward. He is now arguing the beginning of the 50 year old easement road is in the wrong place, and completely on my neighbor's property. This is after my contractor found the original plat maps from the easement survey, that show the entire road is within the 80' easement and nearly 100% on my property. It also shows at least two of their poles are about 75' outside of the utility easement and way into my property.
To speed things up, I proposed cutting a new trail over from the back of my pad to the old easement. I was planning on doing that after the house was built for a fire road, and to get access to that side of my property. He said that would work and to give him the dirt guy's info so they could talk about what they need. I did all that and told the dirt guy to expect his call. The dirt guy is also the concrete guy, and my water line guy. He was going to be out there with his equipment digging a water line over a three day period.
Guess what??? That's right, he never called. The dirt guy also called him and left two messages with no call back. The water line is now in the ground, and they have picked up their equipment already (large excavator, mini-ex, and a track loader). So now, if I have the dirt guy come back, it's going to cost me at least double, probably triple what it would have cost to have them cut a access road on relatively easy terrain while they are already there.
The power company has unnecessarily cost me thousands because their employees don't do their jobs. I'm not asking for anything special, just power to my house.
Fast forward. He is now arguing the beginning of the 50 year old easement road is in the wrong place, and completely on my neighbor's property. This is after my contractor found the original plat maps from the easement survey, that show the entire road is within the 80' easement and nearly 100% on my property. It also shows at least two of their poles are about 75' outside of the utility easement and way into my property.
To speed things up, I proposed cutting a new trail over from the back of my pad to the old easement. I was planning on doing that after the house was built for a fire road, and to get access to that side of my property. He said that would work and to give him the dirt guy's info so they could talk about what they need. I did all that and told the dirt guy to expect his call. The dirt guy is also the concrete guy, and my water line guy. He was going to be out there with his equipment digging a water line over a three day period.
Guess what??? That's right, he never called. The dirt guy also called him and left two messages with no call back. The water line is now in the ground, and they have picked up their equipment already (large excavator, mini-ex, and a track loader). So now, if I have the dirt guy come back, it's going to cost me at least double, probably triple what it would have cost to have them cut a access road on relatively easy terrain while they are already there.
The power company has unnecessarily cost me thousands because their employees don't do their jobs. I'm not asking for anything special, just power to my house.
gunracer1
Collector of fine junk
Metal has come down a good bit here in the DFW area. My buddies are building shops turnkey on slabs at 26 or 28 a square foot plus’s doors or windows.
But you are 100% right on selling a stick built home is way easier to borrow money against.
But you are 100% right on selling a stick built home is way easier to borrow money against.
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
That fully sucks. The same thing happened to a friend in Vegas, 40' x 80' pull through shop was mostly framed when a windstorm came through and made pickup sticks.My original plan was a steel building. Unless you are DIY-ing it, it's cheaper to stick build them. With a metal building, you have to frame the inside with wood, almost like building it twice. Resale is better on traditional stick built houses if you ever need to sell, even if they are an oversized man cave.
The main problems I've had is the plans had to be "engineered". In my case, that meant a whole bunch of added costs. He went way overboard. I guess if we ever get a tornado or major earthquake in Northern Arizona mountains, at least the green board and all those oversized anchor plates will still be there. He forced us to special order a specific square base plate for round peeler patio posts, and wrote in the plans we can cut them down, when they make round plates. He specified 5/8" foundation anchor bolts when 1/2" is standard. The 1/2" bolts are less than a dollar each, the 5/8" are almost $5 each. There are $45 plates that bolt onto the anchor bolts and screw into the wall studs every 8'. The framers had to cut out studs under window openings to meet his requirements. Every outside wall header requires 6, 2x6" studs on each side. Specified nails every 3" in the wall board when 6" is standard. He is requiring a bunch of specialty anchors/hangers for the patio rafters, the trusses, etc. We have to use 2x10, 16" on center rafters for the patios, which is much bigger than the contractor and framers are saying is necessary. He drew very specific plans, then put "Not Used" on the reference numbers. He wanted to double truss the end, which has to hold up the 70x17' patio without bringing the wall all the way up. The framers called the inspector because they couldn't get ahold of the engineer. Inspector came out and said they could use a single truss and bring the wall all the way up. He also won't answer his phone or call anyone back when they have questions or want to change things. Fuck that asshole. He called me back right away when I called to discuss payment, then went dark.
None of that helped when a wind storm flexed the back 55'x16' wall, and the unroofed trusses failed. It collapsed the trusses and pushed every wall out of plum, and the framer had to order 20 replacement trusses. I know it was the framers fault because he knew better, but fuckity fuck fuck. Wind peeled sheets of OSB off the stack and blew them 100 yards down the hill. It monsoon season. It rained 2" in two hours at the same time.
Building a house is nearly always a PITA, but there are advantages in putting everything you want exactly where you want it.
ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
BDK
Red Skull Member
Here the septic took a few days for the site plan to be approved.BDK that sucks on the power company contact! Sounds like there are always cogs in the wheel (mine has been the county septic office) of building progress regardless of location.
The permit office started farming out new construction plan approval to a engineering firm about a year ago. Not a big surprise an engineering firm want just about anything they haven't seen before "engineered". What surprised me was all the added crap way beyond code, and the several mistakes that were made by an engineer, and approved by an engineering firm and by the county.
It was only a few years ago in Mohave County that they wanted people to build. It increases property values, which increases property taxes. If the contractor and designer were already established and well known to the office, they used to approve permits over the front counter. Now it takes a few months.
ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
BDK
Red Skull Member
Tuesday will be a big day. The old timer mobile welder is going to make the square post bases round, and the framer is showing up with a crane and all three of his crews. The plan is to set the new trusses and roof the garage, then get the patios framed and roof the residence. If it all works out, they should be done framing by the end of the week.
For those of you thinking I should have made the square posts round myself: I could have gone there with angle grinders and a few dozen cut off disc's. I considered that. I also considered purchasing a plasma cutter, and borrowing a generator and air compressor. Cutting 1/4" plate makes me nervous when it's about 1/2" above fresh concrete. This old guy has mastered the use of a cutting torch over 50+ years, and he has a solid plan to use a cut plate to slide under the base plates, water to keep it cool, and covering the surrounding concrete with a layer of sand. His cash price to do the work was lower than it would have cost me to buy the supplies and do it myself, and most importantly, it will be on the contractor instead of me if it goes to shit.
For those of you thinking I should have made the square posts round myself: I could have gone there with angle grinders and a few dozen cut off disc's. I considered that. I also considered purchasing a plasma cutter, and borrowing a generator and air compressor. Cutting 1/4" plate makes me nervous when it's about 1/2" above fresh concrete. This old guy has mastered the use of a cutting torch over 50+ years, and he has a solid plan to use a cut plate to slide under the base plates, water to keep it cool, and covering the surrounding concrete with a layer of sand. His cash price to do the work was lower than it would have cost me to buy the supplies and do it myself, and most importantly, it will be on the contractor instead of me if it goes to shit.
BDK
Red Skull Member
The two metal building manufacturers/installers in this area closed last year.
The stick build price here is about $100-110 a square foot, but that's for a finished house.
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
Actually the best part about being old is knowing that miserable cvnts like you are not my contempories.
And you think the younger people are the only ones that financial shit to worry about? Every generation and to a lesser degree the one in front of them and the one behind has had some sort of crisis either real or imaginary. So STFU with this it's all the dumb Boomer that have raped and pillaged the world, it's been going on a lot longer than your pissant brain will acknowledge. Maybe you can put up one of those motivational posters in your cubicle to get a better outlook on where your pissant ass is in this whole machine.
BDK
Red Skull Member
I was getting nowhere with the power company until last week. On Monday, the old guy mobile welder was out. He got overheated and we sat in the shade. I kept him talking to make sure he was OK and the conversation turned to the power company stalling me at every turn. He said he has the personal cell phone number of the director, and gave it to me.
I called and left a message on Monday, then again Tuesday. On Tuesday call, I added I was going to call him every day until someone helps me or explains why they can't. On Wednesday, the new residential service "engineer" called me. I had been calling him every few days for about two weeks prior to calling the director with no return calls. He said his supervisor told him to get my site plan done and approved ASAP, and to forget about the 50 year old easement road and use the surveys maps I provided. I guess the boss man didn't want some random guy calling him on his personal phone, but maybe the old welder guy called him on my behalf. This county seems to be run on the "good old boy" network. I've been tempted to call one more time to thank him, but its probably better to let sleeping dogs lie.
The patios should be done this week. They are thinking it will take 3-4 days just to build the timber truss. Then some detail work, and frame inspection, then the HVAC guy will start while the roofers do their thing.
Cerbat Mustangs on the property.
My spec house build. They started on Saturday at 0600, these pictures were taken about 1330. They framed most of the house in one day. Swarmed it like ants in 102* weather.
The day before it looked like this. The house is designed to be easy and fast to build, mine not so much.
I called and left a message on Monday, then again Tuesday. On Tuesday call, I added I was going to call him every day until someone helps me or explains why they can't. On Wednesday, the new residential service "engineer" called me. I had been calling him every few days for about two weeks prior to calling the director with no return calls. He said his supervisor told him to get my site plan done and approved ASAP, and to forget about the 50 year old easement road and use the surveys maps I provided. I guess the boss man didn't want some random guy calling him on his personal phone, but maybe the old welder guy called him on my behalf. This county seems to be run on the "good old boy" network. I've been tempted to call one more time to thank him, but its probably better to let sleeping dogs lie.
The patios should be done this week. They are thinking it will take 3-4 days just to build the timber truss. Then some detail work, and frame inspection, then the HVAC guy will start while the roofers do their thing.
Cerbat Mustangs on the property.
My spec house build. They started on Saturday at 0600, these pictures were taken about 1330. They framed most of the house in one day. Swarmed it like ants in 102* weather.
The day before it looked like this. The house is designed to be easy and fast to build, mine not so much.
ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
That’s awesome on some electrical progress, finally!
It’s always pretty cool to watch a good framing crew do their thing.
It’s always pretty cool to watch a good framing crew do their thing.
BDK
Red Skull Member
ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
Looks great and really like the use of the round poles!
BDK
Red Skull Member
Garage is attached to the house. Don't really know the separate costs for garage. I had what I wanted drawn out on a CAD program and gave that to the designer. The plans cost me about $1,500, plus $3,500 for a structual engineer to raise my overall build costs significantly without any real benefit, except if we ever have a hurricane, tornado or earthquake in Northern Arizona.
Framing should be done by tomorrow. I parked the Explorer in the garage yesterday. First vehicle in garage rights go to the owner!
Patio truss isn't finished. I was worried about the peak being so high, but I wanted to be able to see the sky from inside the house and still have a big shady spot up front. It's working out well. I can see the sky/view from the kitchen, which will be in the back of the 35' deep great room. I didn't want the patios to interfere with the view from inside thefireplaces.
The view of the sky and mountains is obstructed by the patio on the office/spare room side, but I can see over to the hills a half mile away. I chose shading the entire residence walls and windows over the sky view on the sunny side. The master bedroom side has a narrower patio so we could center the great room's vaulted ceiling. The view out that side is outstanding.
Master bedroom windows and slider.
Office windows and slider.
View from great room. Can see out the office and master sliders from the back. The big square hole in the middle is for the inside/outside fireplace.
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ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
WOW!
Roc Doc
2A SNBI
Awesome it's taking shape.
BDK
Red Skull Member
When I found that parcel, I knew if was the right setting to build the house I've had in my head for a long time.
The power company guy called me today and said the plans are on his bosses desk for approval.
The framers are struggling a little with the patio truss. They stressed the shit out of me today. The only way I can figure to get the angled beams to be at the same angle is to install all the vertical beams first. Then install the larger angled beams, then the smaller beams at the same angle. The longer angled beams are between two vertical beams and there placement sets the angle. They were trying to install the smaller beams first, but they don't know the angle of the larger beams. Those beams are special order, very expensive and we only have enough to do it once.
The contractor and framing company owner are going to be out there supervising tomorrow. I think I'll take the day off.
The power company guy called me today and said the plans are on his bosses desk for approval.
The framers are struggling a little with the patio truss. They stressed the shit out of me today. The only way I can figure to get the angled beams to be at the same angle is to install all the vertical beams first. Then install the larger angled beams, then the smaller beams at the same angle. The longer angled beams are between two vertical beams and there placement sets the angle. They were trying to install the smaller beams first, but they don't know the angle of the larger beams. Those beams are special order, very expensive and we only have enough to do it once.
The contractor and framing company owner are going to be out there supervising tomorrow. I think I'll take the day off.
ridered3
Low Talent Wheelin
That's awesome on power company updates and quite the puzzle piece for patio trusses!When I found that parcel, I knew if was the right setting to build the house I've had in my head for a long time.
The power company guy called me today and said the plans are on his bosses desk for approval.
The framers are struggling a little with the patio truss. They stressed the shit out of me today. The only way I can figure to get the angled beams to be at the same angle is to install all the vertical beams first. Then install the larger angled beams, then the smaller beams at the same angle. The longer angled beams are between two vertical beams and there placement sets the angle. They were trying to install the smaller beams first, but they don't know the angle of the larger beams. Those beams are special order, very expensive and we only have enough to do it once.
The contractor and framing company owner are going to be out there supervising tomorrow. I think I'll take the day off.
BDK
Red Skull Member
Sleeping on it, I think I got in the way of his thought process or how he figures things out. He's the one who will have to tell his boss he screwed up a $1,000 beam. I need to stay away and let him figure it out.
BDK
Red Skull Member
I got called out to figure out the fireplace, then they decided to do it Monday. Took a few pictures of the patio truss. Still needs the brackets. Simpson was specified by the engineer. Anything not a T, L or straight is special order and stupid money for a piece of cut plate. I ordered enough to pass inspection. After I move in, I'll make templates and have a buddy with a plasma table cut custom brackets.
Framers said it's the largest truss they have ever built.
I'm not sure I like the angle of the shorter beams. I think they should be the same as the longer beams. There's leftover beams to do those again. I'll look at if for a few weeks.
Framers said it's the largest truss they have ever built.
I'm not sure I like the angle of the shorter beams. I think they should be the same as the longer beams. There's leftover beams to do those again. I'll look at if for a few weeks.
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Needs more triangulation.
45acp
naw man
That's fucking badass.
45acp
naw man
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If the triangles are too big and floppy then add more verticals and make more triangles.Moving it to the white zone makes the red zone weak
If still to floppy then skin the triangles.
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