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bgaidan said:
Well fuck. Now it's not only the number of companies you've owned, the amount of equipment you've rented, and the cost of your tool collection, but age also determines your qualifications to repair tractors?
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Sounds about right.
 
87manche said:
it is if you want it to turn off automatically and be idiot proof like the OP wants. It's also not a terrible thing to wire it up, including an indicator light so you know it's working.

I would figure a master tractor tech like yourself would know how trivial a glow plug relay is to wire in and the benefits it may have.
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A master tech like me could wire it up to self cycle simply by turning on the ignition.

But a master tech like me can also push a button and count to ten.

Not every glow plug diesel uses a timer. My brand new Kubota’s don’t use timers. But I understand you probably haven’t operated a bunch of different brands of equipment, so you wouldn’t know there exists such systems.
 
IH Man said:
A master tech like me could wire it up to self cycle simply by turning on the ignition.

But a master tech like me can also push a button and count to ten.

Not every glow plug diesel uses a timer. My brand new Kubota’s don’t use timers. But I understand you probably haven’t operated a bunch of different brands of equipment, so you wouldn’t know there exists such systems.
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Now thats pretty humorous! 😆
 
IH Man said:
A master tech like me could wire it up to self cycle simply by turning on the ignition.

But a master tech like me can also push a button and count to ten.

Not every glow plug diesel uses a timer. My brand new Kubota’s don’t use timers. But I understand you probably haven’t operated a bunch of different brands of equipment, so you wouldn’t know there exists such systems.
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but this one is meant to.

have you read the factory service manual for this unit?
 
Gbkeith said:
Statistically there is a 50% chance that he has a wife with a better rack than half of our wives.

IH Man we need to see your wife’s rack in order to make this determination.
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That’s funny. Lol.
No pictures, but she is younger than me by 6 years. We were both married before. Our kids are older. Not likely of any interest to you boys.
 
87manche said:
but this one is meant to.

have you read the factory service manual for this unit?
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I probably own a service manual for that tractor somewhere in my manual library. I’ve worked on them before. I’m rusty on them, but familiar. Whether or not it utilized a glow plug controller is irrelevant really. It isn’t required.
 
IH Man said:
A master tech like me could wire it up to self cycle simply by turning on the ignition.

But a master tech like me can also push a button and count to ten.

Not every glow plug diesel uses a timer. My brand new Kubota’s don’t use timers. But I understand you probably haven’t operated a bunch of different brands of equipment, so you wouldn’t know there exists such systems.
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:lmao:
 
IH Man said:
I probably own a service manual for that tractor somewhere in my manual library. I’ve worked on them before. I’m rusty on them, but familiar. Whether or not it utilized a glow plug controller is irrelevant really. It isn’t required.
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it is when when of your conditions is glo plugs not on a button so a kid can burn them up.

like the owner of the tractor stated he wanted in more than one post.
that you had a conversation with him about.

it isn't about what you can and can't do, it's about what the person that owns the tractor wants it to do.

you're one of those people that just waits for your turn to speak aren't you?
 
IH Man said:
A master tech like me could wire it up to self cycle simply by turning on the ignition.

But a master tech like me can also push a button and count to ten.

Not every glow plug diesel uses a timer. My brand new Kubota’s don’t use timers. But I understand you probably haven’t operated a bunch of different brands of equipment, so you wouldn’t know there exists such systems.
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Fucking legend
 
87manche said:
it isn't about what you can and can't do, it's about what the person that owns the tractor wants it to do.
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Yeah, obviously.
I don’t care how he does it, but was under the impression that he is trying to cluster it together non original and trying to save a buck.

87manche said:
you're one of those people that just waits for your turn to speak aren't you?
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I really have no idea what you mean.
 
87manche said:
but this one is meant to.

have you read the factory service manual for this unit?
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Yes picking through it, thank you.

Found out alternator is internally regulated. That simplifies making it charge.

Glow plug cycle is supposed to be 4-5 seconds.

And clutch adjustment is normal maintenance. Meaning, no free play doesn't automatically mean clutch is worn out.
 
IH Man said:
Yeah, obviously.
I don’t care how he does it, but was under the impression that he is trying to cluster it together non original and trying to save a buck.



I really have no idea what you mean.
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you responded to his post with the desire to have it on a timer and not able to be used with the ignition on by scolding him to smack his grand childrens' hands.

then you railed on about how you were the best tractor technician on here and that nobody needs a timer.
Is that an accurate representation of your posts in this thread thus far?


Tiha said:
Yes picking through it, thank you.

Found out alternator is internally regulated. That simplifies making it charge.

Glow plug cycle is supposed to be 4-5 seconds.

And clutch adjustment is normal maintenance. Meaning, no free play doesn't automatically mean clutch is worn out.
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it should be the exact same 40 amp single wire jam that I have. 90% sure it's for all the little shibuara 3 cylinder diesels.

there's also supposed to be a wooden block to jam between the pedal and the floorboard underneath to keep the clutch from sticking.
no shit. A wooden block with a string and a sticker on it from the factory. Always makes me LOL.
gets jammed in there for the winter months.
 
IH Man said:
Yeah, obviously.
I don’t care how he does it, but was under the impression that he is trying to cluster it together non original and trying to save a buck.
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Cost is important because if I pay as much fixing it or more than a non burnt tractor would have cost me then what was the point ?

But the other debate is simplicity and dependability vs 30 year old overly complicated factory design using 30 year old used parts.

There is 3 or 4 safety switches in the starting system of this thing. Fixing and maintaining those alone is nuts. I would just end up bypassing them eventually anyway.
So why fix them?
I don't want to have to wiggle the gear shifters and stomp the clutch a few times, then hold my tongue just right before crossing my fingers and trying to start it.

I am sure we have all had that frustration with something like that in our lives.

Reading through the service manual, looking at wiring diagrams this morning is making me lean back towards abandoning all the oem stuff again.

Lol I know. Indecisive like a woman.
Gonna call a couple more salvage yards tomorrow and then I think I'll have a clear answer on what to do.
 
87manche said:
there's also supposed to be a wooden block to jam between the pedal and the floorboard underneath to keep the clutch from sticking.
no shit. A wooden block with a string and a sticker on it from the factory. Always makes me LOL.
gets jammed in there for the winter momonths.
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That is awesome lol.

Certainly had to break free my share of stuck clutches over the years.
 
87manche said:
then you railed on about how you were the best tractor technician on here and that nobody needs a timer.
Is that an accurate representation of your posts in this thread thus far?
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You guys can’t read very well and add a lot of unsaid information.

I think I was pretty clear about the fact I think he should fix it back to original. Then it became clear he had no intention of doing so. So, I gave out info based on that.

You seem to be a “I need the service manual” kind of guy, and a “the book says” person. While that’s fine and good, some systems are over complicated and complex for necessity. A GP timer is fine. Use it, don’t use it, I don’t really care. You should only need them when it’s colder anyway. Assuming the fuel system and engine are in good working order, it should start just fine cold at around 55/60° without them. And yeah, kids shouldn’t be pushing buttons and switches anyway.
 
I doubt a kids going to hold a momentary switch or key long enough to melt glow plugs. I've only melted a set of kubota ones into a raindrop shape once before and not from regular use.
 
Tiha said:
Cost is important because if I pay as much fixing it or more than a non burnt tractor would have cost me then what was the point ?

But the other debate is simplicity and dependability vs 30 year old overly complicated factory design using 30 year old used parts.

There is 3 or 4 safety switches in the starting system of this thing. Fixing and maintaining those alone is nuts. I would just end up bypassing them eventually anyway.
So why fix them?
I don't want to have to wiggle the gear shifters and stomp the clutch a few times, then hold my tongue just right before crossing my fingers and trying to start it.

I am sure we have all had that frustration with something like that in our lives.

Reading through the service manual, looking at wiring diagrams this morning is making me lean back towards abandoning all the oem stuff again.

Lol I know. Indecisive like a woman.
Gonna call a couple more salvage yards tomorrow and then I think I'll have a clear answer on what to do.
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I disable redundant safety switches. I like a brake or clutch switch for starting, but that’s it. No PTO safety. No seat safety. Neutral start on hydro tractors is disabled. On a gear drive, I’d leave a neutral or clutch switch on it for starting. Prevents accidental in gear starts. I’m one who will reach over and start a tractor without getting on it.
 
IH Man said:
You guys can’t read very well and add a lot of unsaid information.

I think I was pretty clear about the fact I think he should fix it back to original. Then it became clear he had no intention of doing so. So, I gave out info based on that.

You seem to be a “I need the service manual” kind of guy, and a “the book says” person. While that’s fine and good, some systems are over complicated and complex for necessity. A GP timer is fine. Use it, don’t use it, I don’t really care. You should only need them when it’s colder anyway. Assuming the fuel system and engine are in good working order, it should start just fine cold at around 55/60° without them. And yeah, kids shouldn’t be pushing buttons and switches anyway.
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lol.

yeah sure, I fix everything by the book.
 
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