Aliens are confirmed?

[clodhopper]

How much effort would it take to get to our planet; wouldn't there be some giant mothership that would transport the surface exploring craft? If they did have an orbiting mothership; wouldn't they want to rescue crashed vehicles to keep the technology advantage to themselves? If they had the technology to get here wouldn't they want resources/food in return for all the effort?

If the alien tech is so advanced that they can get here on a smaller surface craft why would it crash? Why would they leave it behind? What would such an advanced society have to gain from us? Do we really think we are so special that aliens would have any value in our primitive knowledge? If aliens have made it here, wouldn't they consider our society and species no different than how we feel about ants or cattle or enslaved animals?

Your line of questions show an assumption that a highly advanced race would do things like in a manner similar to how we operate at our level of technology. An alien race that can travel across incredible distances in reasonable timeframes are more than likely no limited to our understanding of physics. They may not need "surface craft" and the main vehicle can reach the surface. Or they can "beam me down scotty". Or more likely something else that is beyond our understanding, like flipping through dimensions, here one second and gone the next. Someone else said it likely be similar to explaining a helicopter to a cat. Very likely. In that case, our existence may be ignored, much like we would a planet inhabited by monkeys.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I believe in aliens but it is hard for me to believe they are here already.

How much effort would it take to get to our planet; wouldn't there be some giant mothership that would transport the surface exploring craft? If they did have an orbiting mothership; wouldn't they want to rescue crashed vehicles to keep the technology advantage to themselves? If they had the technology to get here wouldn't they want resources/food in return for all the effort?

That's the thing right there. Getting here from really far away would be very difficult with any type of method of propulsion we can dream up and still follow the laws of physics.

Then there's the much spookier theory that other dimensions exist and these aren't aliens traveling from really far away and instead are beings from right here near earth... but in another dimension.

Given that thought, I think I almost prefer aliens from somewhere far away since that would make invasion much harder to accomplish and we might actually be able to see it coming.

 

[clodhopper]

That's the thing right there. Getting here from really far away would be very difficult with any type of method of propulsion we can dream up and still follow the laws of physics.

As we currently understand it. We know more now than we did 100 years ago. We will understand even more 100 years from now. Just because we currently believe the speed of light is a functional limit just means there isnt some other way to do it. We are doing arithmetic and aliens that can reach our planet are doing multi-dimensional calculus.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

In that case, our existence may be ignored, much like we would a planet inhabited by monkeys.

Would we really ignore the monkeys though? Or would we kill them and try to eat them all the while see what resources we can pillage from their planet?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

As we currently understand it. We know more now than we did 100 years ago. We will understand even more 100 years from now. Just because we currently believe the speed of light is a functional limit just means there isnt some other way to do it. We are doing arithmetic and aliens that can reach our planet are doing multi-dimensional calculus.

Ever hear Eric Weinstein's take on it? He seems to think we've almost discovered all there is to discover about physics.

 

[plym49.2]

Ever hear Eric Weinstein's take on it? He seems to think we've almost discovered all there is to discover about physics.

That’s arrogance of the sort that was going to close the patent office some time ago because everything had been invented.

 

[clodhopper]

Would we really ignore the monkeys though? Or would we kill them and try to eat them all the while see what resources we can pillage from their planet?

Thats the point. We would look past the monkeys and determine what the planet offers and take what we want while generally ignoring the monkeys. Meanwhile, the monkeys would go about their lives, generally ignorant of what we were doing or occasionally watching us and not comprehending what was happening. We are/would be a non-issue to highly evolved aliens, or worst case, an irritant solved with a little bug spray (Covid-34?).

 

[YJ4Rox]

That's the thing right there. Getting here from really far away would be very difficult with any type of method of propulsion we can dream up and still follow the laws of physics.

Then there's the much spookier theory that other dimensions exist and these aren't aliens traveling from really far away and instead are beings from right here near earth... but in another dimension.

Given that thought, I think I almost prefer aliens from somewhere far away since that would make invasion much harder to accomplish and we might actually be able to see it coming.

Im a weirdo i guess. I do think the other dimensions are highly plausible and likely what will be revealed before

 

[ThePanzerFuhrer]

That’s arrogance of the sort that was going to close the patent office some time ago because everything had been invented.

No shit I’m sure newton was saying the same thing back in the day.

 

[east_beast]

Ever hear Eric Weinstein's take on it? He seems to think we've almost discovered all there is to discover about physics.

You don't know what you don't know.

And I'm not sure that Eric Weinstein can imagine any knowledge that he doesn't already know. Every time I've tried to listen to that guy all I've managed to take away from it is "holy fuck, what a pompous, arrogant douchebag that dude was".

 

[ThePanzerFuhrer]

Thats the point. We would look past the monkeys and determine what the planet offers and take what we want while generally ignoring the monkeys. Meanwhile, the monkeys would go about their lives, generally ignorant of what we were doing or occasionally watching us and not comprehending what was happening. We are/would be a non-issue to highly evolved aliens, or worst case, an irritant solved with a little bug spray (Covid-34?).

Or are we the human race the item that’s being cultivated like the movie Jupiter Ascending

 

[Sandy Johnson]

That’s arrogance of the sort that was going to close the patent office some time ago because everything had been invented.

Depends on the context in which it's used. He had a good analogy for discovering land masses on earth. It went something like this:
Saying the more we find out, the more we realize how little we understand is a dangerous phrase, because at some point it will be wrong. Example: discovering major land masses on earth: "The more continents we find, the more we realize how many more there are out there to find." That was true to a point, but then it ceased to be true when we actually found everything. He's offering up that we're almost at the end with physics.

Thats the point. We would look past the monkeys and determine what the planet offers and take what we want while generally ignoring the monkeys. Meanwhile, the monkeys would go about their lives, generally ignorant of what we were doing or occasionally watching us and not comprehending what was happening. We are/would be a non-issue to highly evolved aliens, or worst case, an irritant solved with a little bug spray (Covid-34?).

I'm still pretty certain that we'd try to eat the "monkeys". They most likely wouldn't look like monkeys, but something else, and on earth humans are the grand champions of the Can I Eat That? game. No reason why that wouldn't apply to exploring the rest of the universe. Which then brings up the point that if we are the most successful species on our planet, then would the most successful species on other planets likely be the same way?

Im a weirdo i guess. I do think the other dimensions are highly plausible and likely what will be revealed before

I agree with this, and it's scary.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

You don't know what you don't know.

And I'm not sure that Eric Weinstein can imagine any knowledge that he doesn't already know. Every time I've tried to listen to that guy all I've managed to take away from it is "holy fuck, what a pompous, arrogant douchebag that dude was".

Lol, fair point there. He would probably be terrible to have an actual conversation with unless you had a bunch little letters at the end of your name to get him to treat you like some sort of equal.

 

[east_beast]

At this point I honestly believe it. There's too much smoke to this fire. From the first hand reports from Roswell, to astronauts reporting seeing crafts, to all the fighter pilot UFO sightings to the likes of Christian Mellon and Lue Elizondo and others coming out and flat out saying we are not alone and now this guy.

I honestly think the decades of secrecy has been about governments not wanting to admit that we're not the top dog in this race. We aren't the smartest thing out there. I think they were buying time while they tried reverse engineering efforts and researched to try to figure out what these things were and what are their intentions. They've probably not gotten nearly as far down either path as they'd hoped.

For all the folks saying that someone would've leaked the info over all these years if it was true, I'd reply that you just haven't been paying any attention. There have been PLENTY of people leaking info over the years. They were just largely discredited and laughed at. The shift in that attitude has been VERY recent. Like the past few years recent.

 

[east_beast]

Depends on the context in which it's used. He had a good analogy for discovering land masses on earth. It went something like this:
Saying the more we find out, the more we realize how little we understand is a dangerous phrase, because at some point it will be wrong. Example: discovering major land masses on earth: "The more continents we find, the more we realize how many more there are out there to find." That was true to a point, but then it ceased to be true when we actually found everything. He's offering up that we're almost at the end with physics.


I'm still pretty certain that we'd try to eat the "monkeys". They most likely wouldn't look like monkeys, but something else, and on earth humans are the grand champions of the Can I Eat That? game. No reason why that wouldn't apply to exploring the rest of the universe. Which then brings up the point that if we are the most successful species on our planet, then would the most successful species on other planets likely be the same way?


I agree with this, and it's scary.

I just think he's probably very wrong and doesn't want to sit his potential lack of knowledge on a subject he is supposed to be an expert on. I mean, right now we're relying on ideas like dark matter and dark energy to explain massive holes in the math and observations we're making about the universe that don't make sense without it. Okay, there's dark energy and dark matter. But that's a HUGE FUCKING PROBLEM in that we have absolutely no idea what that "stuff" is and presumably have no way of determining that with current technology.

 

[Sceep]

Here are some that he found in a pan today.

Big turd is a lead bird shot.

Under the microscope they ain’t too round .

huh. Def. very odd.

 

[VG SERE]

Been reading a ton of sci-fi lately. I've come to the conclusion that if any alien life exists it's either benevolent, indifferent, or at least has some sort of "Prime Directive".

If we were being left to free range for later consumption or slavery, we're way paste prime. We've never had less potential as a labor or fighting force. There's so much plastic and toxins in our lives that we're the galactic version of mystery meat. If aliens showed up to hunt to prove their worth now, it'd be like hunting a obese racoon at the landfill.

To be advanced enough to travel here means they would probably share little to nothing with us physiologically. It would take us 100's of lifetimes to travel the distances required. Even if we figured out FTL, our squishy bodies could only accelerate and decelerate so fast. The ship would have to be self sufficient for centuries. etc. it's not just one giant leap required, it's hundreds. Not to mention they do all that while evading all detection, up to manipulating light to be invisible.

It's not likely that an alien species would be able to master all the things needed for interstellar travel and not be so overwhelmingly technologically superior that they couldn't take anything they wanted by force.

All that conjecture and I say it's possible but unlikely that we've been visited. Maybe unmanned probes at best.

Food for thought, according to Wikipedia a little jaunt to the center of our solar system, at a constant 1g acceleration, would take us 7 years to make a round trip. That would be about 65,000 years of earth time thanks to Einstein. You read that right.... For comparison human fossil records show that 65,000 years ago we almost all exclusively lived in Africa.

 

[ThePanzerFuhrer]

huh. Def. very odd.

Been finding them for damn near 10 years now. Not an isolated incident.

Here is how we find them Another big bunch of the stupid things.

 

[east_beast]

Been finding them for damn near 10 years now. Not an isolated incident.

Here is how we find them Another big bunch of the stupid things.

Maybe a large metallic meteorite broke up mid-air over the area long ago? Hell if I know. I'm just spitballing.

And you're sure it's not coming from your equipment somehow? What did the lab report say? I know manmade but that basically just means it's not a metal compound known to form in nature. What does it actually consist of?

 

[Swayzeexpress]

Save them for a huge scrap payday

 

[WaterH]

I saw something weird when I was down in Florida last week. We were hanging out by the pool and what looked to be a spherical object came flying across the sky. Too high and distant to glean any real detail. Could it have been a bird? I guess. But it was one FAST bird and I couldn't detect any signs of wings flapping or any shape other than spherical. Could it have been a plane? No. Just flat out no. A plane high enough to appear so small and nondescript can't fly that fast.

The only other strange thing I've seen was down at Huntington Beach in SC. My wife and I were out on the beach and night just stargazing and there was one star fairly low in the sky but still probably 15-20 degrees above the horizon that was just weird. It was moving. Almost like quivering. Not big movements but like if you had a tennis ball in a peanut butter jar and you were shaking the jar. That type of movement. I noticed it and just kept watching it trying to figure it out. Is it wave action messing with my eyes? Nah. Too far above the horizon and stars lower in the sky aren't doing it. Is it light wispy clouds messing with my eyes? Nah. The night was cloudless and other nearby stars aren't doing it. Am I just imagining this? About that time my wife asks me "Do you see that star doing those weird movements?" Well, that rules that out. What was it? I have no clue. I think it was most likely some type of atmospheric aberration messing with the starlight but I have no idea. Went out the next night and no star was acting like that. I can't say whether or not the "star" was there or not. The star that was doing this wasn't very distinct. It was in the brightest maybe 10% of stars in the sky but this was a clear moonless night so there were thousands of stars in the sky. I wish I'd had the presence of mind to whip out my phone and use SkyMap to try to identify the object. I think a video would've been useless. I doubt the motion would've been discernible.

This is very creepy, but I have seen both of these descriptions about 40 years ago in Pennsylvania. Almost makes me think I mentioned it in some thread here and you copied it? Sure your not FBI?

I believe in aliens but it is hard for me to believe they are here already.

How much effort would it take to get to our planet; wouldn't there be some giant mothership that would transport the surface exploring craft? If they did have an orbiting mothership; wouldn't they want to rescue crashed vehicles to keep the technology advantage to themselves? If they had the technology to get here wouldn't they want resources/food in return for all the effort?

If the alien tech is so advanced that they can get here on a smaller surface craft why would it crash? Why would they leave it behind? What would such an advanced society have to gain from us? Do we really think we are so special that aliens would have any value in our primitive knowledge? If aliens have made it here, wouldn't they consider our society and species no different than how we feel about ants or cattle or enslaved animals?

How much effort would it take to get to the north pole? Would we leave a craft up there? (Spoiler, we have)

That's the thing right there. Getting here from really far away would be very difficult with any type of method of propulsion we can dream up and still follow the laws of physics.

Then there's the much spookier theory that other dimensions exist and these aren't aliens traveling from really far away and instead are beings from right here near earth... but in another dimension.

Given that thought, I think I almost prefer aliens from somewhere far away since that would make invasion much harder to accomplish and we might actually be able to see it coming.

I wonder if the invasion thing is a product of our “small minds”. Maybe when you get that advanced, there’s no wars because everything is possible without.

 

[clodhopper]

To be advanced enough to travel here means they would probably share little to nothing with us physiologically. It would take us 100's of lifetimes to travel the distances required. Even if we figured out FTL, our squishy bodies could only accelerate and decelerate so fast. The ship would have to be self sufficient for centuries. etc. it's not just one giant leap required, it's hundreds. Not to mention they do all that while evading all detection, up to manipulating light to be invisible.

It's not likely that an alien species would be able to master all the things needed for interstellar travel and not be so overwhelmingly technologically superior that they couldn't take anything they wanted by force.

On the "squishy body" thing. I lean toward a technology capable of FTL travel most likely has some sort of "inertial damper" (for lack of better description) whiz bang that resolves the acceleration forces on the travellers. Without something like that, travellers would be cyborgs or full on robots. Again, thoughts limited by current level of knowledge.

 

[plym49.2]

Depends on the context in which it's used. He had a good analogy for discovering land masses on earth. It went something like this:
Saying the more we find out, the more we realize how little we understand is a dangerous phrase, because at some point it will be wrong. Example: discovering major land masses on earth: "The more continents we find, the more we realize how many more there are out there to find." That was true to a point, but then it ceased to be true when we actually found everything. He's offering up that we're almost at the end with physics.

Which is an extremely ignorant assertion. No offense, but those are the types of statements that appeal to the unintelligent.

 

[clodhopper]

Been finding them for damn near 10 years now. Not an isolated incident.

Here is how we find them Another big bunch of the stupid things.

You are excavating deposits developed from erosional patterns. Essentially, it is all particles from somewhere upstream (at the time of the deposition, may not be now). Particles are broken, smoothed and changed during transport. Heavier/larger particles dropped out somewhere else, the particles in your area will be of similar relative size, supposing similar point of origin. Larger stuff may have fallen in the water transport closer by. Now, that said, it is possible that a vein of metallics or heat modified ores could have been pulled out of a mountain, bounced downstream, slowly eroded, and pieces of the size you are finding ended up in your deposit. "Man-made" is a very generalistic term and could simply mean the makeup is outside of the programmed limits of the analyzing machine.


However, thinking back to other discussions in this thread, these could be remnants of crashed alien vehicles from millions of years ago.

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

The "Prime Directive". We haven't developed warp technology yet so we won't be contacted.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Which is an extremely ignorant assertion. No offense, but those are the types of statements that appeal to the unintelligent.

No offense taken. I don't play close enough attention to breakthroughs in physics to know if it's a real thing or not.

 

[clodhopper]

No offense taken. I don't play close enough attention to breakthroughs in physics to know if it's a real thing or not.

There are new discoveries in every area of science every year. There is no such thing as "settled science". Now, the advancements in physics has been lackluster in recent years, but that doesnt mean we already know everything.

 

[plym49.2]

No offense taken. I don't play close enough attention to breakthroughs in physics to know if it's a real thing or not.

If nothing else, we have a ways to go before we understand 'spooky action at a distance'. Which is information being passed at superluminal speed.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

If nothing else, we have a ways to go before we understand 'spooky action at a distance'. Which is information being passed at superluminal speed.

Well that explains why every explanation I've heard/read about spooky action at a distance seemed vague and really hard to understand to me. I thought I was missing something.

 

[plym49.2]

Thee is one thing in all the scifi that i do hope is true.

Universal open carry, individuals with military-grade weapons, completely open borders in terms of everything-is-cool reciprocity.