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'05+ Ford Super Duty Dana 60 Axle Tech & Info

Wfoyota said:
Organization of this thread sucks. Do all the 250/350 unit bearings interchange between the knuckle difference in 12/13 up?
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2005-2022 looks like after that it’s different part number. Should change the name of this thread to be a bit more accurate and exclude the latest generation of axles.
 
Wfoyota said:
Organization of this thread sucks. Do all the 250/350 unit bearings interchange between the knuckle difference in 12/13 up?
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What unit bearings do you need to crossover?

99-04 only fit 99-04, the 4 bolt flange pattern aka bolt circle on the knuckle is smaller than the later ones. I believe 2005 to 2023 is the same 4 bolt flange/bolt circle.

2024 up I don’t know yet. Rangerrod beat me to it
 
I think that 2022+ knuckles will fit the 05-21 UBs, but you have to use the matching outer shafts.
 
Bebop said:
I think that 2022+ knuckles will fit the 05-21 UBs, but you have to use the matching outer shafts.
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What’s the year cut off exactly. I’ve seen 22 and 23? Is it a model/trim level thing?
 
Rangerrod said:
2005-2022 looks like after that it’s different part number. Should change the name of this thread to be a bit more accurate and exclude the latest generation of axles.
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JR4X said:
What unit bearings do you need to crossover?

99-04 only fit 99-04, the 4 bolt flange pattern aka bolt circle on the knuckle is smaller than the later ones. I believe 2005 to 2023 is the same 4 bolt flange/bolt circle.

2024 up I don’t know yet. Rangerrod beat me to it
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Just needed to verify the 12/13 up were same as 05-11. Rock auto showed different timkin numbers for the year so it was throwing me off.
Also, pretty sure this was covered somewhere in the 40 pages of this thread but I couldn't find it. I appreciate the replies!
 
Wellstig1 said:
Correct, 2011+ hubs have tone rings already on them and will swap onto 99+ sterling axles, I have some on an 08 rear axle. They are 55 tooth tone rings. IF you rung 2011+ front unit bearings, they will also have the same tooth count. I am running this setup on a jk and it works well, just needed a slight adjustment to the tire size in the tuner to compensate and make the speedometer read perfect.
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Looks like a tone ring change
 
Stupid question of the day ive always wondered and never asked.

Unit bearings. Do I really need timken to play?

While I understand timken is the OE bearing but what about the unit itself. Don't really need high mileage worthy bearings when a few thousand miles is probably all the rig will see in its lifetime. Also don't want to shatter the unit because they're junk.

Buggy is blowing budget but not trying to cut corners or waste money.

Anyone running off brand unit bearings without issue?
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Stupid question of the day ive always wondered and never asked.

Unit bearings. Do I really need timken to play?

While I understand timken is the OE bearing but what about the unit itself. Don't really need high mileage worthy bearings when a few thousand miles is probably all the rig will see in its lifetime. Also don't want to shatter the unit because they're junk.

Buggy is blowing budget but not trying to cut corners or waste money.

Anyone running off brand unit bearings without issue?
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Not 05 up specific here, I run Timken on my 99-04 setup and a buddy has been running Mevotechs for the same timeframe with no issues. Neither are DD's, and mine has probably 3000 street miles and 20ish days of wheeling trips on em. He doesn't have the amount of street miles I do, but has just as much wheeling on em. I carry Mevotechs for spares based off his experience.
 
Mevotech is what bkor sells and are junk for sure. They don't last very long with 40-43" tires.
 
Wfoyota said:
Mevotech is what bkor sells and are junk for sure. They don't last very long with 40-43" tires.
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Ballpark on "don't last long". I normally wouldn't care and just buy the timken but I need 4. Considering buying 4 mevotech or a little better brand and then replace with timken as they crap the bed.

Just don't want crapping the bed to be first 2-3 trips out.:lmao:
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Ballpark on "don't last long". I normally wouldn't care and just buy the timken but I need 4. Considering buying 4 mevotech or a little better brand and then replace with timken as they crap the bed.

Just don't want crapping the bed to be first 2-3 trips out.:lmao:
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Or all 4 at the same time :laughing:
 
Wfoyota said:
Mevotech is what bkor sells and are junk for sure. They don't last very long with 40-43" tires.
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Interesting. Not sure rig specs, but as I mentioned in an earlier post we've had good luck with Mevotech. This is on a 1 tonned JKU on 40's, v6 power. been through at least 4 trips locally, and 6 days of abuse in Moab with no issues. UB;s have actually survived through 3 broken axleshafts and 4 broken locking hubs lol. Just had them off the rig for me to bore them out for 35 spline and the still felt great. Granted these are 99-04 versions, so it is possible that the 05 up ones are entirely different from a quality perspective.
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Stupid question of the day ive always wondered and never asked.

Unit bearings. Do I really need timken to play?

While I understand timken is the OE bearing but what about the unit itself. Don't really need high mileage worthy bearings when a few thousand miles is probably all the rig will see in its lifetime. Also don't want to shatter the unit because they're junk.

Buggy is blowing budget but not trying to cut corners or waste money.

Anyone running off brand unit bearings without issue?
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I bought Moog on eBay....but if you look around, you can likely find a pair of Timken for less. I did. Like $270 for a pair of Timkens. The only advantage I can see to the Moogs (3 year warranty BTW...same as Timken) is that they come with the 4 mounting studs.

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Just make sure you're looking at 2005+.
 
Big4x4ride said:
Interesting. Not sure rig specs, but as I mentioned in an earlier post we've had good luck with Mevotech. This is on a 1 tonned JKU on 40's, v6 power. been through at least 4 trips locally, and 6 days of abuse in Moab with no issues. UB;s have actually survived through 3 broken axleshafts and 4 broken locking hubs lol. Just had them off the rig for me to bore them out for 35 spline and the still felt great. Granted these are 99-04 versions, so it is possible that the 05 up ones are entirely different from a quality perspective.
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5k lb buggy, all 4 went out basically at same time. Maybe 1 year of run time so 15ish trips.
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Stupid question of the day ive always wondered and never asked.

Unit bearings. Do I really need timken to play?

While I understand timken is the OE bearing but what about the unit itself. Don't really need high mileage worthy bearings when a few thousand miles is probably all the rig will see in its lifetime. Also don't want to shatter the unit because they're junk.

Buggy is blowing budget but not trying to cut corners or waste money.

Anyone running off brand unit bearings without issue?
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I had poor luck with the cheaper bearings, didn't even get one year out of a set with DD/ wheeling on 37s. I'm a cheap ass and have had GREAT luck scoring good condition Timken bearing at the junkyard. find a wore out company truck, almost always have a set of Timkens in em! $30-40 a pop and have lasted about 3 years of the same DD/wheeling abuse, and are still going strong! so if I wasn't so poor I would buy these new and forget about them. :beer:
 
Sky offroad has redrilled timkens for 365ea with 9/16 stud and they are lightened.

www.skysoffroaddesign.com

8x6.5

Quality Timken 05+ Ford Super Duty Unit Bearings machined to 8 x 6.5" lug pattern and lightened. We use our Haas VF5 cnc mill to make these not only the best lug pattern ever, but we also lighten them and eliminate the factory metric lug pattern holes, so your 100k buggy doesn't have swiss...
www.skysoffroaddesign.com www.skysoffroaddesign.com
 
Wuz-A-zuk said:
Stupid question of the day ive always wondered and never asked.

Unit bearings. Do I really need timken to play?

While I understand timken is the OE bearing but what about the unit itself. Don't really need high mileage worthy bearings when a few thousand miles is probably all the rig will see in its lifetime. Also don't want to shatter the unit because they're junk.

Buggy is blowing budget but not trying to cut corners or waste money.

Anyone running off brand unit bearings without issue?
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Don’t skimp, run Timkens. Others are garbage.
 
TTRAxle&FAB said:
Sky offroad has redrilled timkens for 365ea with 9/16 stud and they are lightened.

www.skysoffroaddesign.com

8x6.5

Quality Timken 05+ Ford Super Duty Unit Bearings machined to 8 x 6.5" lug pattern and lightened. We use our Haas VF5 cnc mill to make these not only the best lug pattern ever, but we also lighten them and eliminate the factory metric lug pattern holes, so your 100k buggy doesn't have swiss...
www.skysoffroaddesign.com www.skysoffroaddesign.com
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I'd rather have the extra pound from all four unit bearings and have the flexibility to swap 8x6.5 and 8x170 if necessary.

We needed that to get a guy off Holy Cross this year. Shredded a sidewall with no spare. He had dual pattern '05 unit bearings and one of the guys with us had an 8x170 spare. It saved a long trip to the trailer in Buena Vista to get his spare.

I've been running Timken unit bearings with zero issues for 4 years. Approximately 14,000 miles of rock crawling and street use. LJ on 40's.
 
If condition, completeness, and price are the same, is there a best year range to consider for a SD? My concern is mainly outers(c', knuckles, unit bearings, brakes) and not the gears/width. Let us assume new bearings/brakes will be bought.

I forget the exact interchanges but I think they are(car-part interchange search):
2005-2008
2009-2012
2013-2016
2017-2021

In my case, rims are 17" but I'm not above adjusting them or the brakes.
 
Lil'John said:
If condition, completeness, and price are the same, is there a best year range to consider for a SD? My concern is mainly outers(c', knuckles, unit bearings, brakes) and not the gears/width. Let us assume new bearings/brakes will be bought.

I forget the exact interchanges but I think they are(car-part interchange search):
2005-2008
2009-2012
2013-2016
2017-2021

In my case, rims are 17" but I'm not above adjusting them or the brakes.
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also curious if the generation matters?
 
New gears option for 17+ axles from revolution. Also have 6.17s available for the 17+ D60. Reminder this is the larger 28 spline short pinion M256 model axles
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TTRAxle&FAB said:
New gears option for 17+ axles from revolution. Also have 6.17s available for the 17+ D60. Reminder this is the larger 28 spline short pinion M256 model axles
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While I love that they're offering 6.17s for a RC HP60....I wonder what they are planning to sell to pair it with in the rear. 5.38 is the lowest gear for 14B and 10.5/10.25. The only other options are Dana 60/70/80 for a match....but the 60 isn't considered all that strong for the rear, the 70 is far less common/desirable than the others and the 80 is pretty huge. Custom Ford 10" is another option I suppose.... Just seems like they need to also show some 14B and Sterling love....and I think both of those are limited physically to 5.38 being the deepest gears that fit.
 
I know the 14 bolt is limited to 5.38 because of the third pinion bearing. But I’m wondering about the sterling. 70’s just aren’t that common.
 
About half of all wonton trucks from 1960-1980ish had a D70 of some sort. Every DRW van based chassis made in the last 50yr has had some sort of D70 with some minor exceptions. I'm not sure why they're not more common. I know the pinion shaft D60 sized but people don't really have problems with those and with the kind of mileage built rigs tend to pack on bearing longevity isn't really an issue.

I feel like there's a fair number of builds from the heydey of the old site that had them but these days the high dollar people go 9" or 14B and the low dollar people go Superduty on both ends.
 
Rangerrod said:
I know the 14 bolt is limited to 5.38 because of the third pinion bearing. But I’m wondering about the sterling. 70’s just aren’t that common.
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Exactly. I'm running a D70U out of a '98 Ram 2500....but they aren't all that common and are pretty spendy to upgrade to 35 spline. I went that route to get a 5.86 gear otherwise, I'd have done a 14B. But that's the problem I think with the 6.17s...what are you going to match it up with?
 
arse_sidewards said:
About half of all wonton trucks from 1960-1980ish had a D70 of some sort. Every DRW van based chassis made in the last 50yr has had some sort of D70 with some minor exceptions. I'm not sure why they're not more common. I know the pinion shaft D60 sized but people don't really have problems with those and with the kind of mileage built rigs tend to pack on bearing longevity isn't really an issue.

I feel like there's a fair number of builds from the heydey of the old site that had them but these days the high dollar people go 9" or 14B and the low dollar people go Superduty on both ends.
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I think a lot of stuff got crushed during cash for clunkers....and that 60s stuff is 60+ years old, so time is taking its toll on the stock. The D70s have some quirks with pinion offset (most are 5/8" offset) and other things that can make them a bit harder to source parts for. Unless you go 2nd gen Ram or newer....they'll be pretty narrow to match a 72" '05+ SD60 too.

Again, not complaining about the new choice at all...just wondering (hoping) if Revolution's got another card up their sleeve for the Sterling or something else. Right now, if you can't find a D70, I guess D80 is the target....though I'm not sure if that matches up well to a SD60 even with the 10" RG since bouncers are really the D80 crowd now.
 
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