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2022 F250 7.3l metal in filter.

Covecrawler

Covecrawler

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Bought a new truck. First vehicle I’ve had with a warranty.

I’m on my second oil change. 10,091.7 miles.
Cut the filter apart for no real reason. This is what I found.

Oil was changed at 5400 miles with motorcraft oil and filter.

I believe I have the 36,000 mile warranty. Seeing this should I take the filter in and talk to a service advisor or wait for the engine to fail, or get noisy. Right now it’s showing no issues so taking it in would seem like a waste, I’ll just hear every excuse, reason in the book.

Thanks for input.
 

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That's quite interesting. No insight into what to do though.

I've never owned anything with a warranty, but I was always under the impression that a warranty claim would (generally) be denied if the work wasn't performed by the dealer?
 
welndmn said:
Nothing you can really do when you do the service yourself, that is a big burden to prove.
Next change, have ford do the service and request an oil analysis.
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Interesting. I did not know they would do an oil analysis.
At 15k I will do that.
 
Covecrawler said:
Interesting. I did not know they would do an oil analysis.
At 15k I will do that.
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It should go without saying, but just in case, don't mention any metal flakes on the most recent oil change.

Buddy of mine does all his own maintenance on his truck. When he took it in for the "warranty expiring soon" inspection, he inserted foot in mouth about finding metal in the filter three oil changes ago, so they denied the warranty claim for the issue at hand. :homer:
 
My opinion would be to look up theorized failure symptoms from the web and after a few thousand miles on the new filter go report said issues to service writer "the last couple mornings when it started it sort or rattled like a valve train tap or something?"

IF the tech is astute he will be suspect of said lifter failure problem and cut filter as you did.
If the tech is not astute, you are ****ed either way....:laughing:
 
CarterKraft said:
My opinion would be to look up theorized failure symptoms from the web and after a few thousand miles on the new filter go report said issues to service writer "the last couple mornings when it started it sort or rattled like a valve train tap or something?"

IF the tech is astute he will be suspect of said lifter failure problem and cut filter as you did.
If the tech is not astute, you are ****ed either way....:laughing:
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Good idea there Lead a horse to water.
 
Covecrawler said:
Bought a new truck. First vehicle I’ve had with a warranty.

I’m on my second oil change. 10,091.7 miles.
Cut the filter apart for no real reason. This is what I found.

Oil was changed at 5400 miles with motorcraft oil and filter.

I believe I have the 36,000 mile warranty. Seeing this should I take the filter in and talk to a service advisor or wait for the engine to fail, or get noisy. Right now it’s showing no issues so taking it in would seem like a waste, I’ll just hear every excuse, reason in the book.

Thanks for input.
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I think the engine warranty is a little longer, might be 50k or might be 100k
 
CarterKraft said:
I think the engine warranty is a little longer, might be 50k or might be 100k
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I thought it was 50k. The literature ford is relentlessly sending me to get me to purchase and extended plan says 36k. I would have to go back to the paperwork from purchase.

Jhama78 says to go tell them now.
Cartercraft says play dumb.

Im just as conflicted as when I cut the filter apart.

The lifter failures are partially why I decided to start cutting filters on this truck. Was hoping not to find metal the first time.

There was also an aluminum curly cue machining chip in the bottom of the filter oops.
 
Covecrawler said:
I thought it was 50k. The literature ford is relentlessly sending me to get me to purchase and extended plan says 36k. I would have to go back to the paperwork from purchase.

Jhama78 says to go tell them now.
Cartercraft says play dumb.

Im just as conflicted as when I cut the filter apart.

The lifter failures are partially why I decided to start cutting filters on this truck. Was hoping not to find metal the first time.

There was also an aluminum curly cue machining chip in the bottom of the filter oops.
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For me, telling the service writer I know something has never gone well.
Dropping it off for service like all the other dummies makes it easy for the powertrain guy to get that shortblock money swapping your engine.

They key will be describing the correct symptoms for the failure you have.
Your phone/camera sucks... Is that aluminum shavings or ferrous metal? (magnetic)
Would lifter failure create aluminum on this engine?
 
Not an answer to your exact question, but a data point for you at least-

Friend had lifter failure on his '21 7.3 at around 60k. His started throwing misfire codes about 500mi after he bought it used "ford certified" from a dealer.

Through a lot of negotiation he was able to get the dealer to short block it without any money out of his pocket.

They really jacked him around a lot and he had to paint mark things each time it went back. He caught them numerous times claiming they replaced parts troubleshooting like coils and whatnot when in fact they didn't.
 
Just to update. I drove the truck more yesterday and really paid close attention. Turned off the radio. There’s definitely a tick starting. It’s faint, no tick at idle outside the truck. But louder the higher the rpm’s go.

Sounds like it’s probably ferrous metal from the camshaft.
 
Covecrawler said:
Just to update. I drove the truck more yesterday and really paid close attention. Turned off the radio. There’s definitely a tick starting. It’s faint, no tick at idle outside the truck. But louder the higher the rpm’s go.

Sounds like it’s probably ferrous metal from the camshaft.
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:shaking:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
The 7.3 lifters are garbage. Luckily they are exactly the same as LS lifters so swapping in a good set (Johnsons) that will outlast the truck isn't an issue.
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If I got to build the engine that would be great. Unfortunately ford has the reigns.

I haven’t Read anywhere that they have the problem resolved.

Late model chevys are having the same lifter issues, so I have read.
 
Covecrawler said:
If I got to build the engine that would be great. Unfortunately ford has the reigns.

I haven’t Read anywhere that they have the problem resolved.

Late model chevys are having the same lifter issues, so I have read.
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I'm sure the OEM's are buying parts from the same manufacturer(s) so similar problems across the board wouldn't surprise me.
 
I’m curious how much of the accelerated wear is due to the water thin oils that are spec’d… add the extended changes in and it seems like a combination for chaos.

Going to be watching this thread… my 7.3 has 26k miles and a few k towing trip in the near future.
 
My wife’s caravan with the pentstar engine has listed 5/20. We had a rocker bearings go out at 30k (seems like an issue as I know a few others that had the same thing happen to their caravans). Had to replace the rockers, keepers and cams on the firewall side. All under warranty. I immediately started running 10/30 and (knocking on wood) no issues since.

Multiple vids out there on YouTube with the lifter issues on the genus and they run 0/20 iirc. One guy put in 10/30 and 5k miles max oil changes and hasn’t had an issue since.

Thinning out the oils is not the answer. I can only imagine what these oils are like in 100+ degree weather.
 
The 7.3l specs 5w30. Doesn’t seem that ridiculously thin.

I’ve run the motorcraft syn blend and motorcraft filter both changes. I’ve seen people online blame synthetic oils. I think it has less to do with the oil and more to do with ford installing eBay LS lifters.
 
I bought my 22 f250 new with the 7.3 and now have just over 17k miles on it. I would say 9k of those are towing at least 7k lbs up to 19k.
I had Ford do my first oil change at 3406 miles. I did the second oil change at 6450 miles. Oem 5w30 oil and filter. I then switched to oem full synthetic oil at 10,091 miles. The last oil change I did was at 14,770 miles. All that to say, I will cut my filter open at my next oil change (20k) and see if there are any metal particles in there. I don't ever plan on selling this truck so I might buy an extended warranty right before my factory one is up.
Covecrawler please keep us updated on this.
 
ndtguy said:
Thinning out the oils is not the answer. I can only imagine what these oils are like in 100+ degree weather.
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Isn't it like a 20w oil?

If you think oil viscosity is a problem then run thicker oil, as long you are using a viscosity for the ambient temp range you operate in I don't see a problem.
 
Covecrawler said:
The 7.3l specs 5w30. Doesn’t seem that ridiculously thin.

I’ve run the motorcraft syn blend and motorcraft filter both changes. I’ve seen people online blame synthetic oils. I think it has less to do with the oil and more to do with ford installing eBay LS lifters.
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I believe all these cam/lifter issues are from radical profiles and ****ty metal/QC.

Oil is about as good as it's ever been.
 
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