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What to do with the homeless

mobil1syn said:
nope, they fund 'programs' with a large amount of overhead and do a few things to appear they are being productive
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Good point, I could see a lions share of the money going to fund more bureaucracy. Our tax dollars hard at work :jester:
 
TanTJJim said:
Good point, I could see a lions share of the money going to fund more bureaucracy. Our tax dollars hard at work :jester:
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Mikel said:
Why is that not happening in Portugal?
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A lot of the OG homeless are that way by choice. Many of them have given up on themselves and don't want any responsibilities so I don't see how mandatory rehab will help/ I also agree that now it's become a drug problem and it doesn't help when the .gov is sending the message that doing drugs is OK. Instead of handing out free fentanyl test kits (they are advertising this on tv) they should convey the message "don't do heroin and you won't have to worry about dying form fentanyl" or having safe spaces to shoot up or the president sending out crack pipes. You reap what you sow.
 
dave_dj1 said:
A lot of the OG homeless are that way by choice. Many of them have given up on themselves and don't want any responsibilities so I don't see how mandatory rehab will help/
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my wife had an uncle who just one day decided he was done and walked out on his wife and kids. lived the homeless life at the beach in ventura for 20yrs or so before he passed. he would cruise by and see his mom a few times a year. based i can gather he was not a druggy or mental unstable, just didnt to deal with responsibility.
 
mobil1syn said:
my wife had an uncle who just one day decided he was done and walked out on his wife and kids. lived the homeless life at the beach in ventura for 20yrs or so before he passed. he would cruise by and see his mom a few times a year. based i can gather he was not a druggy or mental unstable, just didnt to deal with responsibility.
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Says something about the wife and kid if the guy chose such a life. :laughing:
 
RunningProblem said:
It doesn’t matter what I say or do. You’ll disagree. No reason to discuss things with you.

I had faith in humanity until I came here.
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Thats the difference between us.
The only faith i had in humanity is its ability to manipulate the system and turn to shit baggery at a given opprotunity.

Im absolutely certain that jobs for some will be the answer. "Some" being 1:1000.
 
Mikel said:
Why is that not happening in Portugal?
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From what I recall watching they mentioned Portugal or another European country that has done similar. They pointed out that Canada is only doing half the solution. In the model version, they pointed out that they also have programs for substance abuse and more mental health help.

Any videos I see of US cities that are following similar path via no enforcement, it's just abuse drugs until you OD. No other plan. In the video they show a safe house where people can shoot up, and it looked horrible. Not clean, nobody monitoring. Didn't seem much better than squatting in abandoned buildings.
 
The private solution would be to allow for the 'adoption' of homeless which would be unsupervised and untended by typical american law. If a person cannot prove that they have a place to live, then anyone can adopt them and take them 'home' and parent them UNTIL said 'parent' emancipates them. Totally at the 'parent' discretion.

Zero govt supervision over parenting. The solution would evolve quickly. Sure there would be some labor camps, freaky culty torture groups, religious freaks with compounds, but, the streets would be clean within a few months. The concern, by most, of being 'adopted' would move the lazy to get homes. The mentally ill would be subsumed and 'disappeared' and drug addicts would dry out in places where forced labor doesn't provide drugs.

There would also be some places that would be less egregious, but, the problem would end. We would just have to agree (once again) to limit our freedoms for security and perceived safety. We have done it before, so it isn't a suggestion without a past.
 
can't the homeless just all go back to oklahoma?
 
Seems to me that the problem has grown expinentionaly and coincides with the drastic reduction of serial killers.

Remove the predators and the population of prey explodes.
 
Just drove through endless miles of desert and nothing through Utah, Az, and California.

Some fences, a water well or two and ship them inside.

I don't give one fuck and tired of hearing it's a "mental health" issue. Where I live, they are fucking everywhere. All are drugged out trash. Most are under 30ish.

Cool though. I get to send more of my money to support them every month and at the beginning of the year probably a good sized chunk again for their pleasure.
 
That Sheriff is dead nuts on. Look at the path all of those politicians have taken to get into office. Community organizer -> 501(c)3 exec -> Public office. All the while consolidating power and authority to obligate funds. The Homeless Industrial Complex is real and those non-profits are a driving force behind it continuing to grow.
 
In my youth, i volunteered a lot with a homeless shelter that was long term. It's pretty hard to get in and takes a referral from churches or job and family services department. Basically we only took those who wanted better but were chronically poor.

Once they were in they goot great food and a nice safe place to stay. They were with us for 3-6 months. In that time we would do the following:
  • teach budgeting through a watered down dave ramsey plan.
  • teach nutrition, cooking, and good grocery shopping habits.
  • teach hygiene and health skills.
  • would find them employment in a job with growth potential. Factories, sales, labor type jobs.

When they got out we made sure they had:
  • a solid cash based budget based off of their current employment.
  • a house they could afford. Always a studio or small apartment.
  • furniture. It was all donated furniture that we would pick up and deliver for free. If some wealthy family bought new beds or couches we would pick up the old ones and store them until needed.

We stayed in touch with these families for a while. Some for years. The success rate is huge when you actually solve the issues that are making these people homeless.

The main issue is that the person has to actually want help and want to be a good person. If they're homeless because they're a drug addict or scum bag and refuse to solve those issues then there is no place for them in any society.

For the latter, my best suggestion would be forced rehab and labor. Once they sober up and learn their skill we can reasses whether they are able to enter a more educational program to rejoin society or if they will be on the highway litter crew forever.
 
Mikel said:
Sure, Xi Jingpin would send them all to the gulag, but from a small, limited government point of view, how can we deal with these people?

It is clear that for most of these people, not having a place to live is not their primary problem, which makes the solution so much more difficult. What does IBB sayeth?
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A big first step would be the reversal of the court decision(s) that stopped the involuntary commitment to mental hospitals.
 
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