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What to do with crazy people

First off don't aggravate me, cause if we start fighting I'm not opposed to biting your dick off...

Also the government gave me a gun and painkillers, probably wouldn't suggest that course of action either.
 
aczlan said:
I have a family member who works in mental health care and they've told tales of having someone in and back out six or eight times because they would get arrested, come and get showered cleaned up, on their medications then go see the judge and the judge would say I don't see any reason for them to go to a clinic that they don't want to go to, it looks like they're doing just fine.
The person with then walk out, not take their medicine and be arrested again within a few weeks.
They finally were able to get this person in front of a judge as they came in when they were arrested, unshowered, unmedicated and as loony as they come, then the judge signed off on a 30 day involuntary inpatient treatment for them.
Not sure what the answer is, but what we have now isn't it.
Perhaps one thing that would help would be required training for judges who are going to be on those courts to understand the basics of the various mental disorders and the ramifications thereof.

Aaron Z
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it is very close to that in Austin at least.. except when I was at ASH (Austin State Hospital), the worst of the worst would get 90 days sometimes..

let me explain, I was one of the first people in Texas to be certified as a "Texas Certified Peer Support Specialist". but I was also one of the key people who decided what does and does not belong on the test.. back then, most people who took the test didnt actually pass it.. I have 4 diplomas on my wall, like my high school grad, college grad, and when I got certified.. 4th has to do with a college leadership program, which is where I got the word Artisan from..

but after 2 years my boss cussed out the top guy in central texas, and he got fired.. so I stopped going.. I still talk to him on facebook occasionally.. but there were other things that wore on me a good bit.. since I am the most messed up person I ever met, to work as a Peer.. (edit: lost train of thought, I ended up working with the people who had the worst problems) and I was able to help some people quite a bit, and I still run into homeless people who praise me for my guidance, or just people in the NAMI scene..

we called what you described "the revolving door"..
 
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Mikel said:
On my way to work I drive by a large abandoned psychiatric complex that was closed down in the 90s and I know of several more in a relatively small radius, all abandoned.

It's my understanding that up until the 80s-90s, a large percentage of people with deep psychiatric problems were treated or held at those places, whereas the emphasis is now on medication.

Walking through downtown New Haven, it's clear that a large percentage of homeless people are quite disturbed mentally and/or on drugs. From a limited government point of view, what is the proper way to deal with those people?
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Very generally speaking, medicines where still a big part of the instutionalization. Key difference between now and then, is then, the nurses made sure you took your meds. Today, you are on your own to take your meds and it turns into the endless cycle of "I feel good, I'm not taking this" which spins you down the drain till you get picked up by the cops, get sent to the hospital, get to see a doctor get meds, repeat cycle. My mum was a psych nurse back in the 60's. She had some tales, from scary patients to really bad cruel nursing staff. So it wasn't all sunshine and roses, but the institution was specialized subsidized housing in a way keeping the patients safe from running amok in the streets because eveybody working there knew damn well that without intervention the patients for the most part wouldn't continue their medicines on their own. And so we sit today where those with mental issues are kicked onto the street with a bottle of pills, given a pat on the head and told to be a good citizen and given a swift kick onto the street.
 
jimmy123456789 said:
Are I live in the state of West motherfuckin’ Virginia :homer:
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Looks like the couple in pic is your Mum & Pops-

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I'd be ok with large scale public funded "boarding house". Basically turn those mental hospitals into voluntary homeless shelters. If they still prefer to live on the street then fawk em.
 
SomeGuyFromOlympia said:
ya, butchered that, I own it :laughing:

I think when your state opens up drug use full tilt, your opinion will change on this a little bit
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Let me tell you a little secret, the people that want to do drugs are already fucking doing drugs. Think a crackhead gives a fuck if crack is illegal? Or a meth head cares that meth isn’t legal? (lots of them around here, as well as opioid and heroin addicts)

I could find any type of drug I wanted if I so desired, just so happens that I don’t. Been down that road and tried all kinds of shit, mainly go for alcohol, weed and mushrooms/acid, tried coke and other hard drugs but it wasn’t my thing. Never liked pain meds honestly. Xanax on the other hand…LOL. And to quote Bill Hicks “I had a real good time doing drugs”.

Point being is that drugs are ubiquitous and legalizing them would not only greatly stop overdose deaths, as people would know what they’re getting, as opposed to shooting up heroin laced with fentanyl and dying. Would also lower the price of drugs because of the added cost right now via the risks involved.

Plenty of fully functional, normal people drink like a fish when they go home, or smoke like cheech and Chong when they get off work but they still get up and go to work everyday and lead fairly normal lives. How many people are on pain management, benzos or other similar pills and manage to function normally despite being “on drugs” all the time?

Some people who drink alcohol end up winos, some people who some weed end up losers in their moms basement, some meth heads have rotted out teeth and are skinny as a rail. It’s not drug’s fault that some people are irresponsible with them no more than it’s GM’s fault that you plowed over an old lady driving home drunk.

As with many things in society, we place the blame on the wrong thing. Blame the individual, not the substance. No different than “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”.
 
jimmy123456789 said:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Let me tell you a little secret, the people that want to do drugs are already fucking doing drugs. Think a crackhead gives a fuck if crack is illegal? Or a meth head cares that meth isn’t legal? (lots of them around here, as well as opioid and heroin addicts)

I could find any type of drug I wanted if I so desired, just so happens that I don’t. Been down that road and tried all kinds of shit, mainly go for alcohol, weed and mushrooms/acid, tried coke and other hard drugs but it wasn’t my thing. Never liked pain meds honestly. Xanax on the other hand…LOL. And to quote Bill Hicks “I had a real good time doing drugs”.

Point being is that drugs are ubiquitous and legalizing them would not only greatly stop overdose deaths, as people would know what they’re getting, as opposed to shooting up heroin laced with fentanyl and dying. Would also lower the price of drugs because of the added cost right now via the risks involved.

Plenty of fully functional, normal people drink like a fish when they go home, or smoke like cheech and Chong when they get off work but they still get up and go to work everyday and lead fairly normal lives. How many people are on pain management, benzos or other similar pills and manage to function normally despite being “on drugs” all the time?

Some people who drink alcohol end up winos, some people who some weed end up losers in their moms basement, some meth heads have rotted out teeth and are skinny as a rail. It’s not drug’s fault that some people are irresponsible with them no more than it’s GM’s fault that you plowed over an old lady driving home drunk.

As with many things in society, we place the blame on the wrong thing. Blame the individual, not the substance. No different than “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”.
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Once again you missed my point
when you see the masses converge on your town, you will see the drugs are the catalyst to the mental illness


Yes, we all get it, drug users do what drug users do. When you can shoot up in front of a police officers (like Seattle) you will see it up close and the time to end result will be quicker time frame because of the condensed nature of the problem
and I am not talking about recreational pot stores

So we are all waiting on your next post, about how drug users will do drug things :shaking:
 
SomeGuyFromOlympia said:
Once again you missed my point
when you see the masses converge on your town, you will see the drugs are the catalyst to the mental illness


Yes, we all get it, drug users do what drug users do. When you can shoot up in front of a police officers (like Seattle) you will see it up close and the time to end result will be quicker time frame because of the condensed nature of the problem
and I am not talking about recreational pot stores

So we are all waiting on your next post, about how drug users will do drug things :shaking:
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So lock up the crazy people who can’t handle their shit in a mental institution? What I’ve been saying this whole time, but we can’t do that anymore because 99% of them are gone.

I’d say that the mental illness is the catalyst for drug use in most cases, not the other way around. The “problem of homelessness” and bums shooting up on the street is 90% people like that belong in an institution. They used to be hidden from view and dealt with but now that’s “wrong”. Hence why we have bums talking to themselves and shitting in a doorway on the street.

It ain’t the drugs, it’s the person.
 
Mikel said:
On my way to work I drive by a large abandoned psychiatric complex that was closed down in the 90s and I know of several more in a relatively small radius, all abandoned.

It's my understanding that up until the 80s-90s, a large percentage of people with deep psychiatric problems were treated or held at those places, whereas the emphasis is now on medication.

Walking through downtown New Haven, it's clear that a large percentage of homeless people are quite disturbed mentally and/or on drugs. From a limited government point of view, what is the proper way to deal with those people?
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Its a tough question, with no easy solution. I can name the problems I see currently with the experience I have in the present system of community mental health centers. If you're curious, I can elaborate later this evening after the tractor is out of the barn and I got some free time.

The main problem is corruption/greed, same story as always. And there's no incentive to overhaul medicaid/Medicare and piss off the ignorant masses and our fear media.
So it's kinda one of those things where the can has been kicked down the road.
Well, we are outta road and the can is about beat to shit. It's about time we pick it up and throw it in the trash where it belongs.
 
jimmy123456789 said:
So lock up the crazy people who can’t handle their shit in a mental institution? What I’ve been saying this whole time, but we can’t do that anymore because 99% of them are gone.

I’d say that the mental illness is the catalyst for drug use in most cases, not the other way around. The “problem of homelessness” and bums shooting up on the street is 90% people like that belong in an institution. They used to be hidden from view and dealt with but now that’s “wrong”. Hence why we have bums talking to themselves and shitting in a doorway on the street.

It ain’t the drugs, it’s the person.
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Beings you have already stated that you have gone the drug rout
I am seeing why you are so defensive and sensitive about this subject :grinpimp:
 
Eric said:
I'd be ok with large scale public funded "boarding house". Basically turn those mental hospitals into voluntary homeless shelters. If they still prefer to live on the street then fawk em.
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My BIL comes from a good SoCal family, private schools, bankers, he's a lawyer, etc., and his older brother died a couple years ago on the streets. They had a trust set up for him, if he wanted to stay in a hotel, or eat in a restaurant there was money available for him to do that, but he was crazy as shit and would prefer to dumpster dive and drink wine and do who knows what else with the other zombies. Broke Bills heart that he couldn't get his brother under control. They use to be able to commit people like that, but he was not a danger to anyone so he lived on the streets.
 
Roc Doc said:
My BIL comes from a good SoCal family, private schools, bankers, he's a lawyer, etc., and his older brother died a couple years ago on the streets. They had a trust set up for him, if he wanted to stay in a hotel, or eat in a restaurant there was money available for him to do that, but he was crazy as shit and would prefer to dumpster dive and drink wine and do who knows what else with the other zombies. Broke Bills heart that he couldn't get his brother under control. They use to be able to commit people like that, but he was not a danger to anyone so he lived on the streets.
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Sadly, this is probably more common than not. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. At some point natural selection needs to work its magic.
 
Eric said:
Sadly, this is probably more common than not. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. At some point natural selection needs to work its magic.
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That and "If you don't know who the black sheep is in your family, its you." Lucky for me it's my younger sister. She's not crazy, but has just lived her life by lowering her standards. She's one paycheck, or major car repair away from being homeless, breaks my heart but she's chosen this path.
 
Roc Doc said:
That and "If you don't know who the black sheep is in your family, its you." . . . .
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Its me. Not like psychotic, can't earn a living shit. More like reckless, zero fawks given could win a Darwin award at any given moment. And I wouldn't trade the lifestyle for anything. :smokin:
 
ArTi54N said:
seriously tho.. I worked at the Austin State Hospital for a few years.. eventually I was a Texas Certified Peer Support Specialist..
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What the fuck is a Certified Peer Support Specialist? That is as make-believe a job as I have ever heard.

ArTi54N said:
a large percentage of people I would see, would be homeless.. but there are lots of kinds of stats you could place them under..

if I didn't have parents with money, I would probably be homeless.. or living on someone's couch
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So you saw in these homeless a role model? For you to emulate their lifestyle on the public dole?

And you parents have money, but you are still on SSI and Medicaid and God knows what else? They should either totally care for you or kick you out on your lard ass to fend for yourself.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
First you'll have to get this overturned.

O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court in mental health law ruling that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty.[1][2][3]
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Then they have the same right to liberty as everyone else. With that comes responsibility for one's actions. So cite/fine/imprison them for the misdemeanors they commit, just like for everyone else. And if they are too whacko, then right there is the justification for institutionalizing them.
 
I know allot of responses are jokes and shit, but when you are put in this position with a family member it really sucks...

My wifes brother is "disabled" meaning he can come up with any way on gods earth to score booze/pills etc.. but cant work or do anything productive... he has been arrested and picked up too many times to count... The problem is that these people are adults there is nothing that we can do to force them to do anything. If they dont want to take their meds they do not have to...they take advantage of everything and everyone. We pay good money for them to get 800-2000 bucks a month to do jack shit...

Some people are fucking crazy drooling window lickers I get that, but allot of homeless and disabled just dont want to be ruled. They just want to pan handle and act like an ass pooping on the street. Feeling bad or donating to them is a waste of time. I know there are legit people on disability, veterans etc, but i think they are the minority. They actually deserve tax payer money. Not wanting to work because you would rather be homeless, drink and do drugs is a fucking joke, but there is no recourse for people like that. I have no idea what is going to happen to him when he is older but we are not footing the bill, he can be a ward of the state if that is what he wants and I am ok with that.
 
I agree within two areas:

1. We do have mental health issue in this country, and it has to do with a reduction attitude. Ie- you x is low, take y pill, it'll Balance you out. That's wrong I think. A band aid on gangrene. And closure of facilities.

2. We have an issue, in my opinion, that the way humans evolved with reality, nature, and the way our brains operate and synthesize, technology and modern day living&work standards have eclipsed our ability to 'cope'. As in, 30 generations of lions have lived in Africa, 31st is ripped from Africa and stuck in a zoo, and is no longer natural and has 1000s of issues (depression, suicide, heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, "add/adhd" , etc within reason) that don't occur in the 30th generation.
 
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