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What to do with crazy people

Mikel

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On my way to work I drive by a large abandoned psychiatric complex that was closed down in the 90s and I know of several more in a relatively small radius, all abandoned.

It's my understanding that up until the 80s-90s, a large percentage of people with deep psychiatric problems were treated or held at those places, whereas the emphasis is now on medication.

Walking through downtown New Haven, it's clear that a large percentage of homeless people are quite disturbed mentally and/or on drugs. From a limited government point of view, what is the proper way to deal with those people?
 
First you'll have to get this overturned.

O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court in mental health law ruling that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty.[1][2][3]
 
Fivepointfive said:
As a limited government guy, this is one of the things government should do (ie fund, research, and treat mental health). If you break down the cost of dealing with it on the back end, it's a fucking bargain to treat it up front.
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Enter NIH gain of functions
 
What about quit taxing people into oblivion and doing things that devalue the US dollar to contribute to inflation that just keeps rising, while leaving the borders open for anyone to just come in? Focus on (seems impossible) reversing inflation and getting back to a thriving economy where people with basic jobs can afford to house themselves the way that they used to be able to?

Beyond that I don't know, but seems like it'd be a good starting point... I always wonder how many people developed mental illness from being homeless in the first place, or how many people were doing ok but just had a few things go wrong, now they're on the streets - and now that they're there just is too huge of an undertaking to come back from it without help... Then with that comes the mental illness...

Maybe a good dose of objectivism or anarchy into society, drag a few politicians out in the streets and shoot them in the head, whatever it takes:homer: There will always be some crazies, but seems like a thriving economy would be a great way to minimize the hardship of existing in the first place for quite a few:usa:
 
Mikel, I didn't think you were so young. You have shown a love of history in your posts that lead me to believe you were older.
Yes when I was a young man society had places to house the unfortunate souls that were "disturbed". It was to protect them and society at large from each other. I knew families that had that a child that just wasn't right and the neighbors would watch out for but the ones that were a threat were taken to a home or institution. I know there was some bad things happening in some of those places but it is a trade off, in there or in your neighborhood? I am not sure which is worse.
I do believe we need a humane place for them to live and not endanger us all. And I would be OK with my tax money going there as opposed to spending it on cleaning up the shit filled streets.
 
let them be free. arrest them for loitering or littering, when they can't pay the fine, put them in prison where they can get treatment and learn life skills or making gravel, offer to hire them with their consent to stay on for twice the pennies and the rest to pay for their room and board and treatment.

basically, treat them like a native's reservation :flipoff2:
 
I have the pleasure of watching this up close.
Kids mom has slowly sunk into addiction. She is on her way to living on the streets, just give her time.

I watched a young fun lively beautiful lady slowly turn into a female version of angry skeletor He-man character.

Most of this is drugs, it isn't a homeless problem, it is a drug problem. You can't fix it without fixing the drugs

Yes, there are some legit 'crazys' but I am trying to refer to the masses .....it is drugs

and the addict themselves have to be the ones to want to fix it, or lock them up, and I will still be that they will get the drugs anyway

I wish I was wrong, but I lived it
 
SomeGuyFromOlympia said:
I have the pleasure of watching this up close.
Kids mom has slowly sunk into addiction. She is on her way to living on the streets, just give her time.

I watched a young fun lively beautiful lady slowly turn into a female version of angry skeletor He-man character.

Most of this is drugs, it isn't a homeless problem, it is a drug problem. You can't fix it without fixing the drugs

Yes, there are some legit 'crazys' but I am trying to refer to the masses .....it is drugs

and the addict themselves have to be the ones to want to fix it, or lock them up, and I will still be that they will get the drugs anyway

I wish I was wrong, but I lived it
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yup, this is why i'm such an advocate for prison.

not every prison is pound me in the ass tiny shared cell lockdown 23 hours a day. Most of the druggies need enough isolation that they aren't a danger to others, forced to be clean, fed halfway decent gruel that will sustain them...i dunno, mostly veggies i'd guess, and give them the basic medical treatment with something that gives them an alternative. "here is how a hammer and nail works"

hard part is, they need a long enough term. 6 months at a time? to get them cleaned and then repeat it so that they don't actually get enough time in between to go on too crazy a bender, or at least they will hop out, try and O/D
 
Provience said:
yup, this is why i'm such an advocate for prison.

not every prison is pound me in the ass tiny shared cell lockdown 23 hours a day. Most of the druggies need enough isolation that they aren't a danger to others, forced to be clean, fed halfway decent gruel that will sustain them...i dunno, mostly veggies i'd guess, and give them the basic medical treatment with something that gives them an alternative. "here is how a hammer and nail works"

hard part is, they need a long enough term. 6 months at a time? to get them cleaned and then repeat it so that they don't actually get enough time in between to go on too crazy a bender, or at least they will hop out, try and O/D
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I don't even know if that will be enough

Shit our house I have it locked down, No interaction with her own kid without supervision, no school decisions, no medical decisions, no nothing until a certified drug evaluation has been done. Mom wont even do step one, if she does that she will be on the books as a addict. and just throws the kid to the wind

I drive around, wintertime, looking at these people living under a tarp. Who the hell thinks to them selves.......hey I want to try that.....lets go down that road

sad

and adding onto that, the real mentally ill. not the drug addicts, but actually ones with a screw loose they are the ones that fall through the cracks
 
you guys are fooling yourselves if you think drugs are the problem :shaking: if we could somehow magically make all drugs instantly disappear you think this issue would go away? no more crazy? no more homeless under tarps? are you really that fawking stupid?

what do people do when they cant get drugs?

they start huffing paint
they start smoking bath salts
they start grabbing random household cleaners and smoke/drink them

so paint is the problem?
bath salts are the problem?
random chemicals under the kitchen sink is the problem?
should we ban paint?
should we ban bath salts?

drugs are not the problem, and anyone that sits around talking about drugs being the problem is a fucking idiot
 
The reason why have not been to Seattle in almost 2 years. But again in is right here below me in town an hour from the city.
 
ya'll are slipping

what do you do with crazy chicks? we date them

seriously tho.. I worked at the Austin State Hospital for a few years.. eventually I was a Texas Certified Peer Support Specialist..

a large percentage of people I would see, would be homeless.. but there are lots of kinds of stats you could place them under..

if I didn't have parents with money, I would probably be homeless.. or living on someone's couch
 
rockyota83 said:
you guys are fooling yourselves if you think drugs are the problem :shaking: if we could somehow magically make all drugs instantly disappear you think this issue would go away? no more crazy? no more homeless under tarps? are you really that fawking stupid?

what do people do when they cant get drugs?

they start huffing paint
they start smoking bath salts
they start grabbing random household cleaners and smoke/drink them

so paint is the problem?
bath salts are the problem?
random chemicals under the kitchen sink is the problem?
should we ban paint?
should we ban bath salts?

drugs are not the problem, and anyone that sits around talking about drugs being the problem is a fucking idiot
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Yep
Ever seen the little kids in Russia huffing nail polish?
They get a bottle of nail polish and pour it into a plastic bag and huff it all day.
I’m talking 8 and 10 and 12 yr olds , who live on and under the streets . Live inside hollow bridge overpass beams etc .
 
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