Well… this will be an awkward day when he goes back to work.

[gladman]

Reminds me of when I was an apprentice the instructor said he was getting pizza for the class. There was an islander in the class and he said he couldnt eat pizza and wanted fish. The reply was, “fuck you, you can watch us eat pizza”.

That gave me the warm and fuzzies. Best way to handle that kinda shit.

100% agree. It is annoying. the majority of the division love holiday parties (the girls) we have one person who 'doesn't celebrate holidays' so, before I got here, they couldn't have parties. I was like 'fuck that' and the person asked if they 'had to participate' and I was 'fuck no, you do you, babe!'

She is now one of the main planners and says it is great that we take time to have fun. Fuckin' people probably feel guilty when they beat off.

 

[Projectjunkie]

Investment in people needs to be balanced against their value both absolutely and the morale value of that investment to the team.

The sort of "fit in or fuck off" management attitude you support to only works in body shop places where people are of low value, cheap and interchangeable at low cost, food service, boot camp, trade schools full of knuckle dragging illiterate apprentices.

No, the lunch was a gift to students, who at 5 years old should have known "you get what you get, don't throw a fit "

Don't try to make this a socioeconomic class thing. It's a manners thing.

 

[arse_sidewards]

No, the lunch was a gift to students, who at 5 years old should have known "you get what you get, don't throw a fit "

He literally said he was an apprentice. So unless he was working in the mines with Gary we're probably talking 18-25yos with a couple older guys thrown in.

Reminds me of when I was an apprentice the instructor said he was getting pizza for the class.

Don't try to make this a socioeconomic class thing. It's a manners thing.

This isn't a class thing. It's a relative value thing. I can think of a couple obviously blue collar guys here who would likely get some pretty serious leeway and accommodations from their employer if they didn't do what they do for big companies that treat everyone like cogs. Probably lose a bit of pay in the process though.

Likewise everyone in my entire office could go get an instant 10-20% raise by being on the other end of the phone. They'd probably get decent benefits and an in some ways more flexible work schedule but they'd also get treated like cogs, work in a much more politicking, silo'd and less trusting environment and lose a lot of job security.

There is just about nowhere in any industry where replaceable entry level people get treated really good though. And there are many industries where even people who've been around and developed their skills for a long time still get treated like cogs.

 

[Animalmother]

He literally said he was an apprentice. So unless he was working in the mines with Gary we're probably talking 18-25yos with a couple older guys thrown in.




This isn't a class thing. It's a relative value thing. I can think of a couple obviously blue collar guys here who would likely get some pretty serious leeway and accommodations from their employer if they didn't do what they do for big companies that treat everyone like cogs. Probably lose a big of pay in the process though.

Likewise everyone in my entire office could go get an instant 10-20% raise by being on the other end of the phone. They'd probably get decent benefits and an in some ways more flexible work schedule but they'd also get treated like cogs, work in a much more politicking, silo'd and less trusting environment and lose a lot of job security.

There is just about nowhere in any industry where replaceable entry level people get treated like that though. And there are many industries where even people who've been around and developed their skills for a long time still get treated like cogs.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with a person bitching, whining, and trying to cause problems for everyone else over a nice free gesture being offered to a group because they personally have a problem with it?

We are talking about a mentality. Not relative value, how much money you make, work performance , age , being a cog or whatever else you are on about. Im talking about a mentality where everyone thinks they are entitled to be catered to. And instead of appeasing that, it should be at the very leased ignored.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Thats funny as fuck considering you’re a work from home or office computer dweeb where that kind of thinking has grown roots where we need cator to an individual’s demands over a nice gesture to the “team” thats not even required.

We can just hang you from a tall tree on a short rope as useless being AI can replace your job. “Oh but I went to school and took calculus”

Eh. If you've got skills and are producing value, you get to dictate what your work environment should be like. I guess if you're that valuable and you need those warm fuzzies from making your boss and coworkers go out of their way for you, then by all means, go ahead and make your demands. It's a good way to find out how irreplaceable you actually are.

 

[BDK]

I have never refused to scarf a free pizza. Unless it has fruit on it, because fruit on pizza is a abomination.

 

[Landslide]

Had one of those workers. He was told We would get him one with anchovies. He quit and tried to file a claim of racism since he’s Jamaican. He forgot to disclose to his Lawyer that the guy who told him the response was also Jamaican. And there are Dominicans Puerto Ricans Haitians Cubans Honduras isrealie and whites all working in the same shop eating the same damn pizza. 😂

I’m betting the lawyer told him to lose his number after that.

Fake story ^^^ no way you have Haitians and Cubans working together as they are mortal enemies

 

[Landslide]

There's two sides to that coin.

If you're paid big bucks you can answer the phone at 11pm, stay late when you need to, show up for meetings, etc.

But on the other side of that coin if you're worth the big bucks it's my responsibility to treat you like it and not run you like a rented mule and then expect $50 of Dominoes pizza once a month to make up for it.

If we all do our part and our parts are redundant then the times when nobody does their part should be vanishingly few. I apply this principal to policy and procedure on both the business-business side of things and human factors side of things.

But obviously this hinges on not having slackers abuse it. In my workplace works out because of the high initial investment, slow turnover, investment in team cohesion (not just my team, this is top down policy). And my team and other teams basically self police because everyone is aware that it ain't a bad gig and doesn't want it to become a bad gig.

I am under no delusions under what would happen if I tried to apply these principals in a McDonalds staffed with teenagers.

Reading all your post, I truly believe you are either bullshitting everything or you’re bullshitting everything.

On one hand you push equality catering to those so called “high end high valve” employees you brag about making 6 figures (which doesn’t mean shit to the value of anyone’s personality at all) then try to twist your long ass on boarding timeframe as a great thing for your so called “team”. That comes off as you’re racist, judgmental, narcissistic, discriminator among other things taking that much time “evaluating” new possible hires. But you may just have extremely shitty people skills and should have no part in the hiring process or whoever your HR person is sucks at it. Go ahead and try to spin it differently as it won’t matter because it’s true if what you said is true.

You’re also condescending banging on your chest how you supposedly make over 6 figures which makes you some kind of an “elitists” and there for, better then anyone earning below that 6 figure threshold.

I think if what you say is true, while you’re HR hires people in that manor to fit into your “”click”, it’s just a recipe for a stagnant environment and it’s no wonder you’ll work by yourselves at home. Snob.

 

[Landslide]

Eh. If you've got skills and are producing value, you get to dictate what your work environment should be like. I guess if you're that valuable and you need those warm fuzzies from making your boss and coworkers go out of their way for you, then by all means, go ahead and make your demands. It's a good way to find out how irreplaceable you actually are.

It’s an illusion for anyone to think they’re not replaceable because they believe they’re high value assets and the company would suffer without their presence. Those are the people who fall the hardest when it happens to them.

 

[45acp]

Fake story ^^^ no way you have Haitians and Cubans working together as they are mortal enemies

Have you never been to Florida?

Haitians and Cubans get along fine. They usually bond over some kind of trauma they experienced by meth head white Florida Man.

 

[arse_sidewards]

<surprising amount of words>

Believe what you want, I don't care.

 

[Motorcharge]

It’s an illusion for anyone to think they’re not replaceable because they believe they’re high value assets and the company would suffer without their presence. Those are the people who fall the hardest when it happens to them.

Not always the case. More often than not, but not always. When I left my last job they lost every major account they had on my side of the company, the largest one told them directly letting me leave was why they dropped them. They spent 3x what I asked for pay on 4 people to try to replace me only to lose all but one GC and have everyone they hired to replace me quit within 6 months and all of their installers quit after that. Last I heard they were down to a single account and had my field guy doing 100% of installs as well as part of the job I was doing. They also lost exclusive sales rights for the area for a couple brands because they lost all the volume. I'd be surprised if that side of the company is even profitable anymore because it was already operating on absurdly small margins and I know sales volume was giving them a huge discount when it came to inventory purchasing.

 

[Tooheysmax]

Have you never been to Florida?

Haitians and Cubans get along fine. They usually bond over some kind of trauma they experienced by meth head white Florida Man.

It’s usually Dominicans and Haitians when they both still live over there that don’t get along but you would think that an individual that put the word Land in their screen name would have a mild sense of geography.

 

[Sceep]

I have never refused to scarf a free pizza. Unless it has fruit on it, because fruit on pizza is a abomination.

Tomatoes are fruit. One of the main ingredients in pizza is tomato sauce...



But I agree with you on pineapple!

 

[Ditchrunner]

Tomatoes are fruit. One of the main ingredients in pizza is tomato sauce...



But I agree with you on pineapple!

Pepperoni, pineapple and jalapeños ftw! Fuck the haters!

 

[Sandy Johnson]

It’s an illusion for anyone to think they’re not replaceable because they believe they’re high value assets and the company would suffer without their presence. Those are the people who fall the hardest when it happens to them.

Only if they don't have highly valuable skills and they're not actually prepared to hop to another job if their company isn't giving them what they want.


If you push that, you have to be prepared for them to call your bluff and move on. If you're as valuable as you think you are, another organization will be happy to hire you for the demands you have. I left my last job when they were doing things that was screwing up the company. I did that because I knew I could easily get hired with my skills in better places.

 

[Gbkeith]

Thats funny as fuck considering you’re a work from home or office computer dweeb where that kind of thinking has grown roots where we need cator to an individual’s demands over a nice gesture to the “team” thats not even required.

We can just hang you from a tall tree on a short rope as useless being AI can replace your job. “Oh but I went to school and took calculus”

What’s wrong with taking calculus?

 

[Animalmother]

What’s wrong with taking calculus?

Nothing but takingitinasssidewards thinks it makes him special

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Nothing but takingitinasssidewards thinks it makes him special

I had a taekwondo class where the instructor led with "In taekwondo, we're extremely proud of our kicks. They're the same as everyone else's kicks, but we're proud of them."

 

[IGT]

Hiking through a boulder field is one of the most physically demanding things on any hike. It doesn’t matter if your going up, down, or sideways this will take your full attention and strength.

There is a B29 wreck in the Bighorns that I would like to hike to but getting there is through a nasty boulder field I don’t want to see.

You would be breathing hard and your legs would be screaming hiking off that 14er

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Hiking through a boulder field is one of the most physically demanding things on any hike. It doesn’t matter if your going up, down, or sideways this will take your full attention and strength.

Upside- it's good practice if you ever want to be a co-dawg for KOH.

 

[Landslide]

Have you never been to Florida?

Haitians and Cubans get along fine. They usually bond over some kind of trauma they experienced by meth head white Florida Man.

Yes I’ve been to Florida and in Miami in 1989 when they were at total war with each other

 

[45acp]

Yes I’ve been to Florida and in Miami in 1989 when they were at total war with each other

That war was over cocaine 74%, the money from cocaine sales 23%, with 3% being bitterness leftover from the homeland islands.

 

[Landslide]

Believe what you want, I don't care.

Yes you do or you wouldn’t spew the bs you did.

 

[Landslide]

Not always the case. More often than not, but not always. When I left my last job they lost every major account they had on my side of the company, the largest one told them directly letting me leave was why they dropped them. They spent 3x what I asked for pay on 4 people to try to replace me only to lose all but one GC and have everyone they hired to replace me quit within 6 months and all of their installers quit after that. Last I heard they were down to a single account and had my field guy doing 100% of installs as well as part of the job I was doing. They also lost exclusive sales rights for the area for a couple brands because they lost all the volume. I'd be surprised if that side of the company is even profitable anymore because it was already operating on absurdly small margins and I know sales volume was giving them a huge discount when it came to inventory purchasing.

I guess I should rephrase that, you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think a company will let you go even though you’re a profit maker for them.

It happened to me two years ago and a buddy of mine that shared a territory with me was leg go two months ago and he was their top earner. With my help he is now working at their competitor selling against them same brand equipment.

I never look back ever when it comes to jobs, I left a company I worked for for 25 years because the last two years were too toxic and stressful due to a sale manager I worked under they hired in three years earlier. The company was a family owned business and part of them were bought out three years before I left. I’m very close to that part of the family and have been since 1988. The part of the family (relatives) that bought them out was forced to sell out three years ago.

I was a profit maker for them and it was very hard for me to walk away from it but I should’ve left two years earlier really. They never did hire anyone to replace me that ever did the sales I did for them. They went through over 20 reps selling my product until they sold out. I didn’t care but employees that I was good friends with working there would fill me in from time to time. Stress will kill you slowly. I’m under no stress at all in my current job and will retire from here if God willing.

I look at working for companies differently now than I ever did before and have no desire to put up with toxic assholes ever again.

 

[Landslide]

That war was over cocaine 74%, the money from cocaine sales 23%, with 3% being bitterness leftover from the homeland islands.

No idea what it was I’ve honestly and always assumed they still hatted each other to this day. I guess it was during the Miami vice days we were there I was there again in 2016 but not very long and didn’t notice any crazy shit happening where we went.

 

[gladman]

First, your wife's work sounds toxic.

Second, is awesome food just slang for pizza?

she says there are three people who are pretty fucked up, but 95% of her week is with the kids she helps, so, she is not gonna be a baby about it... and most of the people at work (adults) accept the current 'stuff' as part of a larger process that is helping some people while some people use it as a lever... same as it ever was.... the people in charge 'listen and honor' the 'concerns' but kind of lightly tell the people to chill.

At their last 'get together' the team building exercise had a game for them to play and some people (from what my wife tells me) were openly cheating and flouting the rules (which made her laugh, who fucking cheats at that stuff!) people are nuts!

and second, well, yeah, giorgio's pizza is awesome, but I also bring in chinese and other stuff... and everyone will tell you, I bring what I think is awesome and they tend to agree... if not, they'd either tell me or give me shit about it... My wife bakes and I bring that stuff in and it is gone instantly and we have fruit trees and I bring in shit tons of lemons, apricots, peaches...

but, yeah, giorgios pizza IS awesome!

 

[gladman]

The amount of people cruising around looking to file race charges is definitely on the rise. Almost like if you constantly tell people they are victims they will believe it eventually

some people will look for ways to cheat to win and take advantage of any situation.

 

[gladman]

Eh. If you've got skills and are producing value, you get to dictate what your work environment should be like. I guess if you're that valuable and you need those warm fuzzies from making your boss and coworkers go out of their way for you, then by all means, go ahead and make your demands. It's a good way to find out how irreplaceable you actually are.

This is true to a point. If you are the star employee, you can absolutely get concessions. and demand them. BUT, I have seen even the most valuable of people be cut loose because they just cost too much in terms of money or the concessions messed up the structure of the organization. Hey, even Steve Jobs got fired at Apple...

 

[DMG]

Investment in people needs to be balanced against their value both absolutely and the morale value of that investment to the team.

The sort of "fit in or fuck off" management attitude you support to only works in body shop places where people are of low value, cheap and interchangeable at low cost, food service, boot camp, trade schools full of knuckle dragging illiterate apprentices.

It works great to weed out the fucksticks that are picky about free food for madeup reasons, too.