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Vermont Pushes EVs, Now Plans Mileage Tax

Slander said:
It's on them to prove I only drove 2k miles in 365 days.
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They’ll not care about you. It will take a lot of effort to catch you. The other 80% of people paying for the roads will help you.

Perhaps they’ll change vehicle registration fees or personal property tax values to make up for the lost revenue on older vehicles not driven a lot.
 
RunningProblem said:
Check odometer readings in counties requiring annual smog checks like I said.

They haven’t implemented it yet. They’re ‘collecting odometer readings at annual smog checks’ currently. They already changed the laws for ‘classic’ vehicles (previously 25 years old you self reported driving less than 5,000 miles/year and never smogged).

Most of Nevada is smog exempt. Only 2 counties require smog, and they’ve been cracking down on registering your car in another county for a while. Thank some Californians for ruining everything.
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arse_sidewards has hinted at it, but it's the unelected shit bags developing these systems that are the enemy of the people
 
Ebs said:
lol, annual inspection. one gov scheme to support another.
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Slander said:
Well spill the beans, how they going to implement it?
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Soo... The government is super tight with big tech, it would be easy to sneak a couple lines in a nondescript law that says apple and google mist submit the tracking data on all EVs yearly so you can be taxed.

They will gladly do so so that everyone pays their fair share but also for a small fee
 
Mileage tax is the only way to regain road funds for EVs.... At least on my state they can't raid the gas tax for non roadway funds, yet.... :laughing:
 
Newest generation stop lights from wavetronix can read your vin under the windshield. There is no hiding.
 
So they plan to track yearly mileage via the annual state inspection, we have inspections in NH, but half my fleet hasn't seen an inspection station in years :homer: I bet that at registration time if you haven't had the vehicle inspected they won't allow you to renew it
 
Utah is supposed to be a "free" state and we have a pilot program to install an obd tracker in your ev to pay for miles. I will pay the flat fee thank you.
 
Maine has registrations and yearly inspections. The inspection station takes the miles off the vehicle and puts it on the form with other vehicle information for the state as a receipt of using the sticker. A truck with a broken odometer was recorded as shown and when registered it was guessed as what was driven previous year. The numbers didn’t match by like 8,000 miles and the state police showed up to discuss it with the inspection guy. I didn’t know they kept track of it, but they do.

ManKrawler said:
Newest generation stop lights from wavetronix can read your vin under the windshield. There is no hiding.
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EZ Pass highway transponders will transmit at every toll booth and on/off ramp that have overhead scanners. A few years ago the state installed overhead scanners at many on/off ramps beyond where tolls are collected in Maine. In talking to the electrical company doing the installs it’s all for tracking of vehicles for data. Add that to the plate readers and the in pavement sensor loops that read weight and distance between axles, and your vehicle can be tracked and located almost anywhere.
 
Krackle959 said:
Maine has registrations and yearly inspections. The inspection station takes the miles off the vehicle and puts it on the form with other vehicle information for the state as a receipt of using the sticker. A truck with a broken odometer was recorded as shown and when registered it was guessed as what was driven previous year. The numbers didn’t match by like 8,000 miles and the state police showed up to discuss it with the inspection guy.
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good for them:flipoff:
Krackle959 said:
I didn’t know they kept track of it, but they do.


EZ Pass highway transponders will transmit at every toll booth and on/off ramp that have overhead scanners. A few years ago the state installed overhead scanners at many on/off ramps beyond where tolls are collected in Maine. In talking to the electrical company doing the installs it’s all for tracking of vehicles for data. Add that to the plate readers and the in pavement sensor loops that read weight and distance between axles, and your vehicle can be tracked and located almost anywhere.
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At this point I will definitely be harmlessly figuring out how to obscure the view of my plate.
 
Slander said:
Exactly, stick a meter on the charger and pay based off that. I would imagine collecting the tax off that would be way easier than whatever per mile gps based scheme they are cooking up.
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That’s my thought as well, put a meter on every EV charger and collect the taxes on electricity used to charge vehicles.
 
M92PV4U said:
good for them:flipoff:

At this point I will definitely be harmlessly figuring out how to obscure the view of my plate.
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Yup the guy because they showed up to investigate it.

I’ve tried obscuring my plates for trial purposes when I took my EZ-Pass out of my truck. A dealer tag on front, and tailgate down with plywood and boards in the bed. I still got photos from MTA telling me it was my truck, and wanting payment.

A buddy mentioned that many newer vehicles send Bluetooth signals constantly and they might be picking up on that.
 
At some point it just becomes easier to get a NoDak LLC.

ManKrawler said:
Newest generation stop lights from wavetronix can read your vin under the windshield. There is no hiding.
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through the mess of paperwork on the dash? :flipoff2:

posford said:
I bet that at registration time if you haven't had the vehicle inspected they won't allow you to renew it
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That's what the jackbooted pieces of shit in the "free" state of texas had been doing since forever.
 
Krackle959 said:
That’s my thought as well, put a meter on every EV charger and collect the taxes on electricity used to charge vehicles.
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However that's too efficient for government bureaucrats, got to come up with a complicated inefficient system to justify their welfare payments. I mean pay and benefits.
 
Krackle959 said:
EZ Pass highway transponders will transmit at every toll booth and on/off ramp that have overhead scanners. A few years ago the state installed overhead scanners at many on/off ramps beyond where tolls are collected in Maine. In talking to the electrical company doing the installs it’s all for tracking of vehicles for data.
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NYC did that 20yr ago. Someone hacked up an EZ pass to display every time it got read. It lit up at roughly every other light.

Krackle959 said:
Add that to the plate readers and the in pavement sensor loops that read weight and distance between axles, and your vehicle can be tracked and located almost anywhere.
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Diminishing returns....
 
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arse_sidewards said:
At some point it just becomes easier to get a NoDak LLC.
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At the end of the day a large part of the enforcement is going to come down to state cops going hard on out of state reg and defaced plates and expired inspection/tag whatnot.

And the political will for that sort of harassment is going to come from you jackbooted pieces of shit who are all in favor of "law and order" and bitch and moan that the Jamaltima with the missing bumpers and expired temp-tags isn't getting harassed hard enough. You shortsighted motherfuckers will, just like you've done all throughout history, vote us right to hell because you're pissy that someone who isn't as much of a boot licking compliant sheep as you isn't getting tread on as hard as you are.
 
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Oh, and another thing regarding inspections.

The real insidious thing is that by making this odometer reading bullshit a part of the existing "welfare for mechanics" system they give all those fuckers who are on the dole a reason not to just rubber stamp anyone who shows up with a workaround.

This is part of why I'm against any sort of state (or state adjacent, in case any PE or MD holding motherfuckers think this doesn't apply to them) licensing for professionals. It's just something for the state to threaten you with if you don't comply.

And you worthless idiots were happy to have it because it made you a few pennies richer by slightly reducing competition.
 
M92PV4U said:
At this point I will definitely be harmlessly figuring out how to obscure the view of my plate.
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Manufacturer specs for how to mount cameras is publicly available.

Long flatbed is best fladbed.

If your vehicle is high enough and has enough overhang the plate should be viewable enough to be easily visible without issue to a piece of shit in a 'Sploder or smaller vehicle while still being illegible to overhead cameras.
 
Thinking back now, they already record mileage at smog checks in California. :shaking:
 
arse_sidewards said:
At the end of the day a large part of the enforcement is going to come down to state cops going hard on out of state reg and defaced plates and expired inspection/tag whatnot.

And the political will for that sort of harassment is going to come from you jackbooted pieces of shit who are all in favor of "law and order" and bitch and moan that the Jamaltima with the missing bumpers and expired temp-tags isn't getting harassed hard enough. You shortsighted motherfuckers will, just like you've done all throughout history, vote us right to hell because you're pissy that someone who isn't as much of a boot licking compliant sheep as you isn't getting tread on as hard as you are.
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The worst kind of American, the ones that claim to be "good tax paying citizens" in a country founded on rebelling against taxes and killing tax collectors.
 
Utah cops just shot and killed a guy with no plate here, he was one of those "right to travel people"

He was white, he was young, and he's dead

My point is you can't stop this, you all will be in here 3-5 years from now bitching about it. But you will pay, or you won't drive.

And in no way do I support it, but Wifey's new car has 27 cameras, one is pointed at the driver. All new cars after 2026 will have the ability to pull you over to the side of the road.
 
arse_sidewards said:
At the end of the day a large part of the enforcement is going to come down to state cops going hard on out of state reg and defaced plates and expired inspection/tag whatnot.

And the political will for that sort of harassment is going to come from you jackbooted pieces of shit who are all in favor of "law and order" and bitch and moan that the Jamaltima with the missing bumpers and expired temp-tags isn't getting harassed hard enough. You shortsighted motherfuckers will, just like you've done all throughout history, vote us right to hell because you're pissy that someone who isn't as much of a boot licking compliant sheep as you isn't getting tread on as hard as you are.
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I be mad too if I lived in some liberal state. No state inspections or even emission testing in my county. Probably on the way some day but nobody I know is voting for that shit
 
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