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Vermont Pushes EVs, Now Plans Mileage Tax

CarterKraft said:
I'm not PRO EV-ization of the world but to compare a gasoline car/fire vs a lithium battery as one is worse than the other doesn't seem to be worth while discussion to me.
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i dont think there is really anything to discuss, atleast nothing that is controversial.

answer these questions:

you see a Tesla burning, since there is really nothing else of repute for an accelerant lets say its the lithium battery, do you approach with some sort of extinguisher to put the fire out?

If you see a chevy malibu on fire, most likely it will be something in the engine compartment, are you (maybe you're the owner of the car or a good samaritan) likely to approach with an extinguisher and have a very good chance of putting the fire out?

my answer are no and yes, respectively.
 
87manche said:
meh. I've seent a few gasoline car fires and they didn't look easy to put out either.

I'm willing to let ev driver's get off scot free if the alternative is government intrusion on my whereabouts.
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there's no doubt. i've seen varying degrees of ICE vehicle fires. from flames out of the hood and grill to full on car-b-que.

the few vids ive seen of EV fires is one second there is no fire, and the next few seconds its fully engulfed inferno.



if there was nothing to worry about, why did those cities that heavily invested millions in EV buses, park that fleet indefinitely after those fires?
 
Johann said:
I'm not a fan of my whereabouts tracked and monitored. So many ways we are though. Plate readers, EZ pass Road cameras. I was born in the wrong decade...

I'm totally fine with setting a per mile tax and recording mileage annually to REPLACE gas tax entirely. Any other scheme is just a hidden tax increase.
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Same, but if I had two options on someone tracking me it would be not the .gov. Plus I wouldn't mind paying an annual subscription fee to drive as fast as I want on the unlimited speed Bridgestone highway because those archaic bastards over there on the Ford turnpike still cap you at 70mph and charge more to use their highway.
 
Well VT did just lose about 40% of their registration money by no longer allowing out of staters to register in VT.
Isn't there tax on the electricity that is used to charge the EV's? If so, the state should make arrangements with the power company to pay the tax to the motor vehicle dept for road maintenance just like the gas tax.
 
Texas97 said:
there's no doubt. i've seen varying degrees of ICE vehicle fires. from flames out of the hood and grill to full on car-b-que.

the few vids ive seen of EV fires is one second there is no fire, and the next few seconds its fully engulfed inferno.



if there was nothing to worry about, why did those cities that heavily invested millions in EV buses, park that fleet indefinitely after those fires?
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Likely the same reason they abandoned Nuclear to only have to adopt coal when they needed more energy, IE not sound decisions just reactions to dumb ass citizens.
 
dave_dj1 said:
Well VT did just lose about 40% of their registration money by no longer allowing out of staters to register in VT.
Isn't there tax on the electricity that is used to charge the EV's? If so, the state should make arrangements with the power company to pay the tax to the motor vehicle dept for road maintenance just like the gas tax.
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Exactly, stick a meter on the charger and pay based off that. I would imagine collecting the tax off that would be way easier than whatever per mile gps based scheme they are cooking up.
 
Texas97 said:
i dont think there is really anything to discuss, atleast nothing that is controversial.

answer these questions:

you see a Tesla burning, since there is really nothing else of repute for an accelerant lets say its the lithium battery, do you approach with some sort of extinguisher to put the fire out?

If you see a chevy malibu on fire, most likely it will be something in the engine compartment, are you (maybe you're the owner of the car or a good samaritan) likely to approach with an extinguisher and have a very good chance of putting the fire out?

my answer are no and yes, respectively.
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I have zero EV fire knowledge.

But my experience with car fires in general is that by the time you realize there is a fire (in not your car) it's beyond needing to save the car, occupants is a different story.

I've gotten to the point that in my professional life if I run onto a fire on the road and I feel compelled to get involved I ask do we want/need to put the fire out. Often the driver doesn't care about the vehicle and doesn't really care if it is saved.

A '68 Malibu might be a different story, I know when my car caught in fire my dad and I almost killed ourselves trying to put it out.
 
Slander said:
Exactly, stick a meter on the charger and pay based off that. I would imagine collecting the tax off that would be way easier than whatever per mile gps based scheme they are cooking up.
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I wonder if it's just a scheme to not piss off the commies, "we're just gonna charge you with the minimal little fee to offset"
then after a few years they'll ramp it up to max.
 
CarterKraft said:
I wonder if it's just a scheme to not piss off the commies, "we're just gonna charge you with the minimal little fee to offset"
then after a few years they'll ramp it up to max.
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They will jack up the per mile fee on everything and drop it 10% on EVs to make the dumbass lefties happy is where my money is. Kind of like what they do with income taxes.
 
How can they prove it was all road miles? What if the car left the farm only a few days a month?
 
CarterKraft said:
I have zero EV fire knowledge.

But my experience with car fires in general is that by the time you realize there is a fire (in not your car) it's beyond needing to save the car, occupants is a different story.
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Saw a Kia fire a few weeks back. Took long enough to go off that a passer by stopped to unload an extinguisher into it which delayed it long enough for another passer by to show up with a 5-gal bucket and make a quick trip to the ditch. That was around the time I showed up and popped the plastic engine cover off so they could pour another bucket on the smoldering whatever it was.
 
If I ever have an EV, it will likely be converted from some combustion vehicle so I just won’t tell them that it uses electricity.

Sucks to be them!
 
east_beast said:
Wild how the government does so much poor mouthing but damn if they don't have bottomless pockets when it comes to funding war and the MIC.
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That's state vs federal. Feds have unlimited funds when it comes to war, the states actually have to fix the problems at home. 100% cool with the 2nd part, let me opt out of funding the fed part.
 
Johann said:
I'm not a fan of my whereabouts tracked and monitored. So many ways we are though. Plate readers, EZ pass Road cameras. I was born in the wrong decade...

I'm totally fine with setting a per mile tax and recording mileage annually to REPLACE gas tax entirely. Any other scheme is just a hidden tax increase.
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Phones, tablets. social media accounts. It's real hard to be totally off the grid with any modern technology.
 
Ebs said:
lol, annual inspection. one gov scheme to support another.
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It's a slightly obfuscated a handout to the automotive shops, welfare for small businesses. Makes it easier to up-sell when declining comes with an increased likelihood of interaction with state enforcer thugs.
 
Slander said:
Exactly, stick a meter on the charger and pay based off that. I would imagine collecting the tax off that would be way easier than whatever per mile gps based scheme they are cooking up.
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It’s going to be registration based. Mileage at last year registration versus this year’s registration. They won’t give a fuck WHERE you put those miles on, just that you did.

YES the 50 cars on the road that are daily drivers, pre computer, and the guy willing to risk a kabillion dollar fine, and criminal tax evasion charges and is willing to disconnect the odometer and re configure it before inspection to save $100 in tax probably will profit.

No way in hell existing fuel taxes are going away, because they won’t pass up revenue from interstate travelers (people buying fuel as they pass through the state)

I haven’t read that anywhere, I just don’t see how else they would do it.

The idea of adding gps shit isn’t realistic or feasible.
 
grumpy356 said:
It’s going to be registration based. Mileage at last year registration versus this year’s registration. They won’t give a fuck WHERE you put those miles on, just that you did.

YES the 50 cars on the road that are daily drivers, pre computer, and the guy willing to risk a kabillion dollar fine, and criminal tax evasion charges and is willing to disconnect the odometer and re configure it before inspection to save $100 in tax probably will profit.

No way in hell existing fuel taxes are going away, because they won’t pass up revenue from interstate travelers (people buying fuel as they pass through the state)

I haven’t read that anywhere, I just don’t see how else they would do it.

The idea of adding gps shit isn’t realistic or feasible.
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It's on them to prove I only drove 2k miles in 365 days.
 
Slander said:
It's on them to prove I only drove 2k miles in 365 days.
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No it's not because of all the stupid 2nd order case law consequences from the "driving is a privilege not a right" generation of legislation that the boomers gave us.

They'll hit you with some minimum fee for mileage under 5k or something and then some absurd penalty for falsification.
 
TiTRD said:
This shit is hilarious.
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Nevada is going to do it for all vehicles. They started collecting data pre-Covid and said they’d collect 7 years worth. Just for research. Ironically two years after I detailed exactly how a VMT would be implicated and end up being $0.04/mi.
 
I’ve said this since day 1 of the “mass EV adaptation” push. No way they are losing all that revenue, and there goes all the “gas savings” justification people going along with their games.
 
RunningProblem said:
Nevada is going to do it for all vehicles. They started collecting data pre-Covid and said they’d collect 7 years worth. Just for research. Ironically two years after I detailed exactly how a VMT would be implicated and end up being $0.04/mi.
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Well spill the beans, how they going to implement it?
 
Slander said:
Well spill the beans, how they going to implement it?
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Check odometer readings in counties requiring annual smog checks like I said.

They haven’t implemented it yet. They’re ‘collecting odometer readings at annual smog checks’ currently. They already changed the laws for ‘classic’ vehicles (previously 25 years old you self reported driving less than 5,000 miles/year and never smogged).

Most of Nevada is smog exempt. Only 2 counties require smog, and they’ve been cracking down on registering your car in another county for a while. Thank some Californians for ruining everything.
 
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