Vax deaths

[Norm]

You still haven't answered what is considered vaxxed. And since you're the one in the know, is your overwhelmed hospital giving Chyna Flu people Remdesivir?

That is a interesting question I hadn’t given any thought too.

Why not just stop giving health care out free? No need to keep track of who gets the vax or is obese. Then there are beds for anyone that can pay, reguardless of their decision. If beds get scarce, the free market will increase them.

That’s the way it’s supposed to work, but the government fixed it.

How do you feel about illegal unvaccinated immigrants receiving medical care?

If the government did its mandated job of protecting our borders that wouldn’t be a question. That is a 100% Democrat created shitfest, if we ship them all back to where they belong it’s a non issue.

 

[fvs]

If the government did its mandated job of protecting our borders that wouldn’t be a question. That is a 100% Democrat created shitfest, if we ship them all back to where they belong it’s a non issue.

I agree. However knowing that it will probably never happen are you still a proponent of citizens being denied when illegals get care?

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Medical care isn't a protected right. Why should someone else be deprived or get a lower level of medical services because of your decisions . Now that's some entitled bullshit. 9/10 Rona hospitalizations are unvaxed. We need to reduce hospitalizations at the peak of these waves that will go forever to get back to sustainable level care all the time. Uncle Joe shouldn't have to wait for a new hip because the beds are full of unvaxed Rona cases.

A that is the crux of the issue, who's entitled to the resources which are measurable and not infinite.

I would say that, if those numbers are accurate (and they are not, depending on location you are sampling or the source of the information) that the vaxxed shouldn't be moved to the front of the line either. It's clear that those who are vaxxed and need hospitalized are probably going to die soon of something anyway, so why waste the beds?
It's retarded logic to not treat the sickest people regardless of bad decisions. Your argument would apply to basically everyone seeking emergency medical attention as the ER is full of people who did something dumb (accident caused by bad decisions, OD on drugs). The Hippocratic oath and common decency says you treat the worst off regardless of the reason. That's how medicine is supposed to work, used to work for hundreds of years, and hopefully still works today.
I understand where you are coming from and agree that those who cause themselves harm through their choices should have to pay the cost. That's why everyone should be allowed to seek medical care, but all who do should have to pay for it. It's immoral to not try to help people get well and give them another chance to make better decisions.

Otherwise the gang-banger who's coding would be left to die in the ER while your kid with a 101 fever would take priority.

 

[surpip]

It's retarded logic to not treat the sickest people regardless of bad decisions. Your argument would apply to basically everyone seeking emergency medical attention as the ER is full of people who did something dumb (accident caused by bad decisions, OD on drugs). The Hippocratic oath and common decency says you treat the worst off regardless of the reason. That's how medicine is supposed to work, used to work for hundreds of years, and hopefully still works today.

Exactly why Norm's position is so damn stupid, especially for someone calling themselves a "libertarian"

 

[Bogus One]

No doubt about it. I personally know dozens of people that had it in the December-January timeframe, including my wife and I. Everybody survived, took me out for about 2 days.

I get it, but the blood clot thing is supposedly tied to the Vax, is it not?

 

[IowaOffRoad]

I get it, but the blood clot thing is supposedly tied to the Vax, is it not?

Not to shit on those shitting on the vax, but there have been clotting issues associated with getting COVID naturally as well, but I believe it's less likely. This is all anecdotal of course, and I don't believe the people who noted the clotting issues with getting COVID were able to isolate the illness as the probable cause.

 

[Bogus One]

Got it.
It suprises me, though, that she has not once been tested for antibodies ever since.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

Got it.
It suprises me, though, that she has not once been tested for antibodies ever since.

I too would like some follow-up from the medical community with my wife. After she was hospitalized for 3 days, they don’t seem to care and are already pushing the vax 6 weeks from her being infected. She’s not ‘opposed’ to it eventually (after baby weans breastfeeding at minimum) but we would like to know her current level of immunity to better make decisions. They don’t seem to care about that.

 

[bunk]

I get it, but the blood clot thing is supposedly tied to the Vax, is it not?

Since we cant get any straight answers i think the clot issue falls under the no aspiration category. IMO there has been soo much bs wrapped up in the vax that we will never get a straight answer on it. Just be naturally immune and forge on with life.

 

[Yota Up]

There is plenty of risk with the vax and the disease both.

Wrong. Tiny risk disease, big risk vax.

I too would like some follow-up from the medical community with my wife. After she was hospitalized for 3 days, they don’t seem to care and are already pushing the vax 6 weeks from her being infected. She’s not ‘opposed’ to it eventually (after baby weans breastfeeding at minimum) but we would like to know her current level of immunity to better make decisions. They don’t seem to care about that.

Buy the T-detect test and find out for yourself. Antibody test is worthless. It's all about the Tcells.

 

[Norm]

Exactly why Norm's position is so damn stupid, especially for someone calling themselves a "libertarian"

You are the one that want's the right to make their own vax decisions, but refuses to take any responsibility for it because you are entitled to the best medical care. What you don't understand is at some point you can't have it both ways. You can't have freedom without personal responsibility for your own choices. This is why we zero chance of becoming a truly free nation again, until people you like are willing to give up entitlement for freedom of choice. This seems to be the overwhelming opinion here, and across the country and exactly describes the entitlement generation.

We will see socialized medicine in this country because people refuse to take personal responsibility and feel entitled.

 

[Rockbuggy84]

Any and all logic is gone with the members of the covid religion.

A little critical thinking and if you have even half a brain, you realize the vaccine is the problem.

Remember back when all the cowards were hiding in their basements, while the adults continued on with their lives, not playing pandemic?

Both covid numbers and deaths completely tanked. Then, just like clockwork, the vaccines become available, the retards came out from hiding, immediately fought to be vaccinated and all of the numbers immediately skyrocketed.

This not a coincidence. Nor is it a coincidence that almost every single vaccinated person I know is becoming very ill with covid, while the vast majority of non vaccinated people I know are not. This is the common theme among most people I speak with also, but hey, let’s just ignore all that.

 

[surpip]

You are the one that want's the right to make their own vax decisions, but refuses to take any responsibility for it because you are entitled to the best medical care. What you don't understand is at some point you can't have it both ways. You can't have freedom without personal responsibility for your own choices. This is why we zero chance of becoming a truly free nation again, until people you like are willing to give up entitlement for freedom of choice. This seems to be the overwhelming opinion here, and across the country and exactly describes the entitlement generation.

We will see socialized medicine in this country because people refuse to take personal responsibility and feel entitled.

It doesn't have shit to do with entitlement, what an ignorant thing to say.
I pay for my own healthcare, and because of that i expect to be provided with the same care as anyone else. I'm not "entitled", I earned my shit. Try using some logic next time.
If you want to apply your bullshit line of thinking to people who haven't earned their healthcare, there might be a conversation there, because if your looking for handouts there should/ can be rules and conditions applied to them.

 

[Yota Up]

I'm not "entitled", I earned my shit.

His covid brain is confused. If you buy a car and pay $20k for it and you expect to be able to drive it, that makes you an entitled brat.

 

[WaterH]

You guys want to hear something funny? I was talking to my brother today.

Backround,
His girlfriend (who is liberal and pro vax) got her second booster several months back. Two days later she blacked out while leasurely riding a bicycle. She was only hurt minor, but they still haven’t figured out why she blacked out. She is in perfect health besides.

So today, I asked how she was doing and he said “great.“ He said she is still a liberal and pro vax, but for some reason she is not getting the third shot. Lol

 

[Archer]

You are the one that want's the right to make their own vax decisions, but refuses to take any responsibility for it because you are entitled to the best medical care. What you don't understand is at some point you can't have it both ways. You can't have freedom without personal responsibility for your own choices. This is why we zero chance of becoming a truly free nation again, until people you like are willing to give up entitlement for freedom of choice. This seems to be the overwhelming opinion here, and across the country and exactly describes the entitlement generation.

We will see socialized medicine in this country because people refuse to take personal responsibility and feel entitled.

How can't you see with what you propose that it would lead down a huge rabbit hole on denying the less fortunate good medical care because of a host of bad decisions or bad life styles or maybe just something someone in authority doesn't like about you.

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