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Vax deaths
- Thread starter WaterH
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Yes.
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PoBoy84
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I just quit giving a fuck about it.All this fear-mongering and yet covid has a 95 to 99+++% survival rate.
Its agenda creation. They got a plan. The only thing i fear in this world is some dumbfuck hitting my truck cause they cant drive in the snow.All this fear-mongering and yet covid has a 95 to 99+++% survival rate.
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I see your point.
How the government is using it to introduce tyranny is where I give a fuck.
PoBoy84
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Understandable. If I focus on too much I get stressed the fuck out. I still pay attention, but not too much anymore. I meant more about the getting sick, etc, etc. part. We've been pulled in so many directions about all this, I just quit listening.
Mouse
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Friend of mine and his wife were vaxxed early on. No med problems with either. This summer she turned up with stage 4 breast cancer (spread to liver, bones, etc.), with having no previous symptoms and had been regular with exams
Pocahontas
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Don't participate and try and educate is the best I got for that but pretty much everyone I interact with is on the 'fuck the government' bandwagon.
Back on topic I definitely have noticed more 'healthy' adult deaths from heart attack and stroke on the last 6 months than in the past. Granted the group of people o know is getting older but 3 of the 4 were under 55 and one was 60. I don't know anyone first hand that died of rona a few that were sick with it for a month or more but no deaths. I have a friends son that is early 30s that got the vax and has had heart issues ever since.
Its something that people are more aware of now so it may seem to stick out but there definitely seems to be an uptick in unexpected deaths.
Norm
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Those things come in fairly steady stream you can staff for, the Rona comes in waves that make it difficult to staff for. We can't staff for peak Rona numbers all the time, period.
LeadfootCJ7
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I have 2 family members that died from covid and 1 family member that has had constant chronic health problems since she had covid last December.
I don't know anyone who has died after getting vaxed.
I do know of a person that died from covid after being vaxed, but they had underlying health conditions that limited the effectiveness of the vax and made them much more likely to die from covid if they got it.
To be fair, vax isn't the right term since pfizer and moderna are an immunotherapy and not a vaccination, but even the "experts" can't seem to get that right.
I do feel like there is a ton of misinformation out there about all of this that's feeding the frenzy.
I don't know anyone who has died after getting vaxed.
I do know of a person that died from covid after being vaxed, but they had underlying health conditions that limited the effectiveness of the vax and made them much more likely to die from covid if they got it.
To be fair, vax isn't the right term since pfizer and moderna are an immunotherapy and not a vaccination, but even the "experts" can't seem to get that right.
I do feel like there is a ton of misinformation out there about all of this that's feeding the frenzy.
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The tin-foil in me wonders if something wasn't going on in some other way prior to all this Rona shit.
In December 2019 my wife ended up in the hospital with MULTIPLE Pulmonary Embolisms. Nurses said the scan looked light a christmas tree full of them, and some were the largest they'd ever seen, even in Journals. While there, her Gall Bladder took a shit, too.
Gastro guy wanted to pull the GB immediately, but the Hemotologist said "No fucking way" based on the huge amount of blood thinners they had her on. She was in ICU for a week and a half. Almost 3 weeks total in the hospital.
Rona wasn't "a thing" yet, and there was never any mention of it. Her condition came completely out of left field.
To this day, the 8 or so full blown specialists she has seen/still sees have NO idea what caused it.
She's better now, and the GB appears to have actually "fixed" itself to where there's no more talk about removing it.
Fast forward to Feb. 2020:
Good friend, healthy, lives 1000 miles from us. Gets out of the blue blood clots in his legs. Two months later his GB takes a shit and is removed.
Another friend's wife has GB issues and removed
Friend of a friend with GB issues and removed
Never heard of shit like this before
In December 2019 my wife ended up in the hospital with MULTIPLE Pulmonary Embolisms. Nurses said the scan looked light a christmas tree full of them, and some were the largest they'd ever seen, even in Journals. While there, her Gall Bladder took a shit, too.
Gastro guy wanted to pull the GB immediately, but the Hemotologist said "No fucking way" based on the huge amount of blood thinners they had her on. She was in ICU for a week and a half. Almost 3 weeks total in the hospital.
Rona wasn't "a thing" yet, and there was never any mention of it. Her condition came completely out of left field.
To this day, the 8 or so full blown specialists she has seen/still sees have NO idea what caused it.
She's better now, and the GB appears to have actually "fixed" itself to where there's no more talk about removing it.
Fast forward to Feb. 2020:
Good friend, healthy, lives 1000 miles from us. Gets out of the blue blood clots in his legs. Two months later his GB takes a shit and is removed.
Another friend's wife has GB issues and removed
Friend of a friend with GB issues and removed
Never heard of shit like this before
Pocahontas
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So if these people are just coming in one would assume that they are getting one of the various variants not og rona. Being that the variants are most likely from hosts that have had the vax then aren't the vaxed activity getting the unvaxed who had rona already sick.
Infectious diseases don't get more severe as they spread and mutate they get less severe because if they get more severe they kill the host too quickly to spread to another. This is basic medicine 101 that's why they always tell you to finish off antibiotics because if you don't there's a chance of mutation and spreading antibiotic resistant stuff.
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Excellent points indeed.
Norm
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That’s a stretch thinking the mutations are all coming from vaxed people. Mutations mostly come from those with weak immune systems who’s body’s can’t completely clear the virus. The virus lives in limited form in a host for an extended time and mutates.
With 7 billion people on the planet there will be lots of mutations. Vaxed people are more likely to clear the virus faster. But this virus was finger fucked by China, so maybe we really don’t know shit.
Thefishguy77
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I have no reason to debate you at all. I am not threatened by your point of view at all nor do I think it is accurate or honest, IMO. I have heard all the doom and gloom of lying hospitals and politicians on how we are overrun and out of beds for 2 years. When in reality it’s hospitals shutting down entire areas to maintain their needed 90+ occupancy rsting to be profitable. Hospitals laying off unvaccinated staff because thats what you do when your in a teal pandemic….
I was just trying to provide perspective to those who might have missed your greater good socialist pushing agenda posts regarding forced medical procedures, still under a EUA, in order to receive medical care. Your a progressive shill wither you think so or not. Its that simple and thats all I need to know about you to make it not worth debating you as you so put it.
Thefishguy77
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If it had anything to do with staffing we would bot be firing healthcare workers… It’s a created staffing issue, follow the money and who/what gets it to find out who created/designed the “issue”.
IowaOffRoad
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Here are some semi-recent things reported by Dr's who are following the COVID thing and are being ignored rather than being debunked, which leads me to believe they are telling the truth.
Of all 'vid deaths that have been recorded since the beginning of this, only 6% had cause of death listed as COVID with no other co-morbidities. The rest (94%) had an average of 2.4 co-morbidities listed as cause of death.
The average age of an American who died of COVID (co-morbidites or not) is 81, exactly the same as the average life expectancy.
Hospital bed availability: Average bed availability of all public hospitals for ICU pre-pandemic was about 8%. Which means that they always operate around 92% capacity. This isn't official, but many administrators have had to get rid of ICU beds due to mandated levels of staffing per bed and their inability to staff at 100% capacity. So, they have the beds, but not anyone to give them 'round the clock attention. Average general bed availability was somewhere around 70%, which means that there were only ever 30% of beds available pre-covid. This is why lack of beds is concerning, but not the bellwether of doom that the media narrative would suggest. Same issues crop up during natural disasters in various locales that have them.
Many people who are vaxxed are dying of covid. That doesn't necessarily mean that the vax is useless, but it does mean the highest population that are vaxxed are those who are most susceptible to getting sick in the first place. Look at pre-covid flu vaccine levels: only about 40% of the population ever got it, but most of those over 60 did. Plenty of that group died of the flu anyway.
I've stated this many times. The vax is better than nothing if you are in a certain demographic. It's worse than nothing if you are in another. Everyone has to make a choice, and should talk to a competent, not sheep Dr. about their options.
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that young, healthy people (especially men and boys) should avoid this vaccine, but should also take precautions if they get a bad case of the 'vid, as both have been shown to cause clotting in the young. There's a study somewhere that people who take a baby aspirin a day are much less likely to get any cardiovascular issues if they get sick or get the jab than those who don't.
Ultimately, I hope someone is collecting the data that is out there, and I bet people on all sides will be surprised in 5-10 years about the true effect this thing has on the population at large, whether infected or jabbed. I lean towards the skeptics on the vaccine here, and think some of their opinions will be validated, but I also think that they will find that the elderly largely benefited from getting it, while the validation will come when the truth comes out about the effects on young people. I also believe that if all the information would have been put out as we got it, and everyone was allowed to make their own decision with no coercion, all the right people would have opted for some version of the vaccine, and all the right people would have opted to get it (edit: get COVID naturally). Deaths now would be almost non-existent regardless of variant, and society would be basically back to normal.
Prediction time: In about 2 years, the total deaths across all demographics will be down in a significant way for all causes (but drug OD deaths and suicide will be setting records). It will be due to all the people who were going to die without COVID having ever existed from 2020-2024 will have died in the span of the last 18 months. The Biden (or Harris) administration will report this as having "beat COVID" and the fact that the virus burned through all the "dead wood" (health-wise) leaving more relatively healthy people to shift the rolling average of deaths down.
I'd bet someone a Benjamin if I wanted to bet on something so cynical that this comes to pass.
Of all 'vid deaths that have been recorded since the beginning of this, only 6% had cause of death listed as COVID with no other co-morbidities. The rest (94%) had an average of 2.4 co-morbidities listed as cause of death.
The average age of an American who died of COVID (co-morbidites or not) is 81, exactly the same as the average life expectancy.
Hospital bed availability: Average bed availability of all public hospitals for ICU pre-pandemic was about 8%. Which means that they always operate around 92% capacity. This isn't official, but many administrators have had to get rid of ICU beds due to mandated levels of staffing per bed and their inability to staff at 100% capacity. So, they have the beds, but not anyone to give them 'round the clock attention. Average general bed availability was somewhere around 70%, which means that there were only ever 30% of beds available pre-covid. This is why lack of beds is concerning, but not the bellwether of doom that the media narrative would suggest. Same issues crop up during natural disasters in various locales that have them.
Many people who are vaxxed are dying of covid. That doesn't necessarily mean that the vax is useless, but it does mean the highest population that are vaxxed are those who are most susceptible to getting sick in the first place. Look at pre-covid flu vaccine levels: only about 40% of the population ever got it, but most of those over 60 did. Plenty of that group died of the flu anyway.
I've stated this many times. The vax is better than nothing if you are in a certain demographic. It's worse than nothing if you are in another. Everyone has to make a choice, and should talk to a competent, not sheep Dr. about their options.
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that young, healthy people (especially men and boys) should avoid this vaccine, but should also take precautions if they get a bad case of the 'vid, as both have been shown to cause clotting in the young. There's a study somewhere that people who take a baby aspirin a day are much less likely to get any cardiovascular issues if they get sick or get the jab than those who don't.
Ultimately, I hope someone is collecting the data that is out there, and I bet people on all sides will be surprised in 5-10 years about the true effect this thing has on the population at large, whether infected or jabbed. I lean towards the skeptics on the vaccine here, and think some of their opinions will be validated, but I also think that they will find that the elderly largely benefited from getting it, while the validation will come when the truth comes out about the effects on young people. I also believe that if all the information would have been put out as we got it, and everyone was allowed to make their own decision with no coercion, all the right people would have opted for some version of the vaccine, and all the right people would have opted to get it (edit: get COVID naturally). Deaths now would be almost non-existent regardless of variant, and society would be basically back to normal.
Prediction time: In about 2 years, the total deaths across all demographics will be down in a significant way for all causes (but drug OD deaths and suicide will be setting records). It will be due to all the people who were going to die without COVID having ever existed from 2020-2024 will have died in the span of the last 18 months. The Biden (or Harris) administration will report this as having "beat COVID" and the fact that the virus burned through all the "dead wood" (health-wise) leaving more relatively healthy people to shift the rolling average of deaths down.
I'd bet someone a Benjamin if I wanted to bet on something so cynical that this comes to pass.
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Kyle
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With my eyes yes. Can’t say more other than it should be child abuse to give it to any child.
well to be “vaxxed” you have to have had 3 doses and the last dose isn’t effective until 15 days after. So….
Rona started in october '19. I know 4 people who had a gnarly flu that december, 1 here and 3 in england. All were healthy guys and survived with no lasting issues. Theres a reason big pharma doesnt want their results to come out for 55 more years or whatever they fuck they want.
Interesting, you call someone a bitch and a liberal, then you take the fucking retarded little bitch liberal position of you should go to the back of the line for medical care if you don't have a vax?
Norm
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Interesting, you call someone a bitch and a liberal, then you take the fucking retarded little bitch liberal position of you should go to the back of the line for medical care if you don't have a vax?
You need to get you politics straight.
Libertarian - Your free to what you want, but you own the consequences .
Liberal - I do what I want but it's someone else's problem when things go south.
Marxist - Everyone is forced to get whatever vax the government says for the greater good, no freedom to decide. IE American Democrats/Marxists
I'm all for freedom of choice, but everyone owns their own choices and the consequences and it's not someone else's problem. You want to make those choices someone else's responsibility, now that's full on MSNBC liberal left doctrine in my book.
I hope that's clear enough without getting the sock puppets out
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No doubt about it. I personally know dozens of people that had it in the December-January timeframe, including my wife and I. Everybody survived, took me out for about 2 days.
So you think its a libertarian position to deny people medical care because they don't take a vaccine?
If that's the case than it would be you who need to get your politics straight.
Norm
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Medical care isn't a protected right. Why should someone else be deprived or get a lower level of medical services because of your decisions
. Now that's some entitled bullshit. 9/10 Rona hospitalizations are unvaxed. We need to reduce hospitalizations at the peak of these waves that will go forever to get back to sustainable level care all the time. Uncle Joe shouldn't have to wait for a new hip because the beds are full of unvaxed Rona cases.A that is the crux of the issue, who's entitled to the resources which are measurable and not infinite.
westracing01
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As I sit here eating a Cajun Chicken Cutlet sandwich with BBQ, fried onions, bacon and mozzarella along with a nice helping of chili cheese fries, I assure you that if I die of a heart attack at 39 no one is going to question whether it was the Vax's fault.
You still haven't answered what is considered vaxxed. And since you're the one in the know, is your overwhelmed hospital giving Chyna Flu people Remdesivir?Medical care isn't a protected right. Why should someone else be deprived or get a lower level of medical services because of your decisions
A that is the crux of the issue, who's entitled to the resources which are measurable and not infinite.
WaterH
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Medical care isn't a protected right. Why should someone else be deprived or get a lower level of medical services because of your decisions
A that is the crux of the issue, who's entitled to the resources which are measurable and not infinite.
Why not just stop giving health care out free? No need to keep track of who gets the vax or is obese. Then there are beds for anyone that can pay, reguardless of their decision. If beds get scarce, the free market will increase them.
fvs
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How do you feel about illegal unvaccinated immigrants receiving medical care?Medical care isn't a protected right. Why should someone else be deprived or get a lower level of medical services because of your decisions
A that is the crux of the issue, who's entitled to the resources which are measurable and not infinite.