Thefishguy77
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Everyone remember the last time 3-4 soccer players would have heart attacks every week? Yea me neither but it’s happening a ton right now…
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Vax deaths
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aczlan
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That's because they dont put you on a vent unless your lung function is low enough that they cant feed you enough 100% O2 to keep your O2 saturation numbers above 80% any other way. so they put you on the vent to make sure you get enough oxygen in your system to keep you from permanently losing brain function due to hypoxia until your body can fight off covid.
Its a last ditch effort and if you are still at home, there is a 99% chance that you can breath well enough to not be on one.
Now, at the beginning of COVID they were overusing ventilators and killing people, but at this point they seem to have figured out that they are a last ditch thing.
Aaron Z
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Like anything else medical, there are risks to both the vaccine and the actual virus. I have family in the medical field, my sister is the head administrator in a building with over 300 beds, she's deep in covid hell right now for sure with this new variant. Now that we have learned how to treat it though, she hasnt has any covid deaths In quite a while. Lots positive, but most asymptomatic.
Have there been vaccine issues, sure. Hell, I followed my wife in an ambulance while in Moab this year, they thought she was having a heart attack. After being admitted into the cardiac ward in Grand Junction she was diagnosed with pericarditis, treated, given several prescriptions and we finished our vacation, just without any hiking. I was convinced it was the jab, 100%. No pre existing heart conditions that we are aware of, but admittedly could be healthier. Follow ups with cardiologists didnt correlate with the jab, but also couldn't rule it out. But the common factor whether vaccine related or not was overall health. We have since changed our lifestyles and diets to get healthier, as underlying conditions can effect both people who die from the rona, and people who die from the jab. The difference is unknown underlying conditions are just thay, unknown.
Sister had one young nurse collapse and die less than 24 hours after her second dose. She was taking care of a patient and just colapsed. No other known heart issues, not overweight, this one was a bit scary, but it's the only firsthand case of this I know of. At the same time, she has had two other nurses pass from rona. Neither vaxxed, and neither rested or sought treatment until it was too late.
That seems to be the more common leading cause of people ending up in the hospital with the rona from everything I have experienced in my job, and heard first hand. Unfortunately unvaxxed are more stubborn about this whole thing, and try to just treat it like a cold and go about their lives while symptomatic. My neighbor is a prime example. He has been in the hospital on oxygen for three weeks, he was outside siding his sons house in 20 degree weather on his "vacation", 72 hours after testing positive and showing symptoms. He developed pneumonia and wouldn't go to the doctor until he had to leave at 3am by ambulance. I hear this scenario a lot, and usually it's the unvaccinated.
Talk to your doctor, they may recommend the jab, they may not. But it's not rampantly killing people everywhere you look. And for the record, I am jabless, I had the rona, and couldn't tell you when. Only found out after antibody tests.
Have there been vaccine issues, sure. Hell, I followed my wife in an ambulance while in Moab this year, they thought she was having a heart attack. After being admitted into the cardiac ward in Grand Junction she was diagnosed with pericarditis, treated, given several prescriptions and we finished our vacation, just without any hiking. I was convinced it was the jab, 100%. No pre existing heart conditions that we are aware of, but admittedly could be healthier. Follow ups with cardiologists didnt correlate with the jab, but also couldn't rule it out. But the common factor whether vaccine related or not was overall health. We have since changed our lifestyles and diets to get healthier, as underlying conditions can effect both people who die from the rona, and people who die from the jab. The difference is unknown underlying conditions are just thay, unknown.
Sister had one young nurse collapse and die less than 24 hours after her second dose. She was taking care of a patient and just colapsed. No other known heart issues, not overweight, this one was a bit scary, but it's the only firsthand case of this I know of. At the same time, she has had two other nurses pass from rona. Neither vaxxed, and neither rested or sought treatment until it was too late.
That seems to be the more common leading cause of people ending up in the hospital with the rona from everything I have experienced in my job, and heard first hand. Unfortunately unvaxxed are more stubborn about this whole thing, and try to just treat it like a cold and go about their lives while symptomatic. My neighbor is a prime example. He has been in the hospital on oxygen for three weeks, he was outside siding his sons house in 20 degree weather on his "vacation", 72 hours after testing positive and showing symptoms. He developed pneumonia and wouldn't go to the doctor until he had to leave at 3am by ambulance. I hear this scenario a lot, and usually it's the unvaccinated.
Talk to your doctor, they may recommend the jab, they may not. But it's not rampantly killing people everywhere you look. And for the record, I am jabless, I had the rona, and couldn't tell you when. Only found out after antibody tests.
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We are the rarity family. Me and the wife and her mom half the year. Can't say we've had covid? Maybe we had it and neither of us knew it? None of us are vaxed. I'm a hereditary heart attack waiting to happen so I'm definitely not getting jabbed. But we have lived life as if nothing is going on since the beginning. Family outings and parties regularly. I know several who are vaxed and several who are not. It seems everybody we know has had cove. A couple of them had it bad but didn't have to go to the hospital or anything. We don't know anybody who has died of anything lately besides old age. Did know one suicide that didn't need to happen.
We are still patiently waiting for our safety bubble to pop. Meanwhile, new years party coming up. Lots of friends will be there. Life is as normal as ever here...
We are still patiently waiting for our safety bubble to pop. Meanwhile, new years party coming up. Lots of friends will be there. Life is as normal as ever here...
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There already seems to be enough examples, just in this thread, from a small sample size to not ignore the risk. I don't have any first hand experience but I know of several Friends that know of friends and family that have had complications immediately after one of the shots. One is now stuck in a wheelchair. No idea of pre-existing conditions, previous health, or anything though.
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Everyone remember when polio cases and deaths skyrocketed after millions received the polio vaccine? Me neither.
Are there that many dying? I haven't been paying attention to athletes having issues. Links to info?
WaterH
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So let me get this straight….
People who die with COVID, died of COVID.
People who died after getting the shot died of something else and the shot had nothing to do with it.
See how that hypocrisy works both ways?
Norm
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Why don't you grow a set of balls and debate me what I said instead of taking part of it out of context like a little bitch.
What I said - Everyone should be free to make vax choices, but free choice comes personal responsibility. 90% of the hospital admits for the Rona are unvaxed people. If there are not enough resources available, those who chose not to get the vax should be at the end of the line for those available resources. Like most liberals you want to be able to make choices that impact others and have someone else take the responsibility for it. Don't want the vax, fine but own that decision and consequences. There are only so many rooms at the inn.
DozerDan82
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That is some twisted fucking thought process- It is no longer a choice if there are the said consequences you propose. You are exactly what you claim others are when it comes to spouting BS. 90%- keep watching CNN. How then are the vaxed getting and spreading this, you know since they are vaxed?
Like any other drug it is WAY too soon to truly know the effects. It never should have been brought to market as soon as it was, and I feel this is just the start of vaccine related issues. It was all a $$$ grab, and you and the rest of the retards drank the kool-aid. Somehow the common cold and flu went away, but Covid took over.
Do those resource allocations only refer to Covid related care....or all offerings for care? That is.....if a non-vaxxed person is in a traumatic car accident, and is rushed to a overly-patient-laden facility, do they get at the end of the line for immediate care in favor of a vaxxed person? Or, does their vax status not come into play in that scenario?
What are the determiners for the care (beyond applicable triage assessment protocol....or does this vax status become a triage determiner)?
WaterH
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Where are you getting this data from? I’ve heard just the opposite.
speed bump
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I know roughly 10-15 old people who have died from the beer flu, maybe a few healthyish people if I wrack my brain.
I know of a couple of high schoolers who developed heart problems after having the beer flu.
Other than a few people who got sick as shit for a day or two after I don't know anyone who has had negative side effects from the jab.
I know of a couple of high schoolers who developed heart problems after having the beer flu.
Other than a few people who got sick as shit for a day or two after I don't know anyone who has had negative side effects from the jab.
Roc Doc
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IMO, this is one of the biggest fuckups of this whole shebang. They eventually figured out that most people that were hospitalized did better by just having them sleep on their stomachs, and saving the vents for the worst cases. Reminds me of this, even if you try to fix it, you get burned.
That was my point...it's not an absolute either way. The fact is people die and everyone always tries to find something to blame for the death...
DannyK
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My wife works at a hospital. They send emails out to their employees about Covid. 90% of patients who are hospitalized for Covid where she works are unvaccinated.
WaterH
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I can go for that. There is one truth though. People that died from COVID did not choose to get it and probably could not have been prevented, but everybody that died from the vax could have prevented it by not getting the shot.
Norm
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There is plenty of risk with the vax and the disease both. It's a shit sandwich we are all sharing. My thought process is based on what we know today, not what might happen tomorrow. I try and make opinions based on logic and numbers, it's not always the popular opinion and often offensive to someone.
It's like wheeling a 35" or larger trail with 31's , because 35's might break your axles. Then you clog up the trail, and get pissed when someone gets tired of waiting for you and pulls your junk out of the way so they can pass.
We know people on the admin side at a couple local small hospitals. They claim that over 75% of people hospitalized at their facilities are unvaccinated.
WaterH
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Interesting, have you seen the data from Scotland and Israel? Their saying 90 % are vaccinated.
aczlan
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Here in NY (as of yesterday) there were a total of 34,520 staffed hospital beds across the state, 24% (8273) of them were available and 18% (6173) of the staffed hospital beds statewide were occupied with COVID patients.
Statewide there were 4576 staffed ICU beds with 22% (989) of them being unused. Of those staffed ICU beds, 21% (945) of them were occupied with COVID patients.
In the region I am in (Fingerlakes), there were (as of yesterday) a total of 2335 staffed hospital beds across the state, 14% (325) of them were available and 21% (489) of the staffed hospital beds in the region were occupied with COVID patients.
In this region there were 284 staffed ICU beds with 1% (2) of them being unused. Of those staffed ICU beds, 43% (123) of them were occupied with COVID patients.
At the height of the pandemic (Jan 2020) NY had 18,825 people in the hospital with COVID, 5156 of them in the ICU.
In Jan 2021 at the peak of the "second wave" we had 9273 people in the hospital with COVID and 1614 of them in the ICU.
At the peak here in the Fingerlakes region (Dec 2021) we had 964 people in the hospital with COVID and 146 of them were in the ICU.
Now, what percentage of those hospital and ICU beds were being used for recovery after elective surgery (and thus could be cleared out if needed)? Unknown, but the hospitals are not "wall to wall" with COVID patients.
Data sources: Daily Hospitalization Summary and Hospital Bed Capacity
Total state population is reportedly around 19.45 Million people.
Aaron Z
And then die of covid instead? Stands to reason that if the vax would fuck them up, so would covid.
WaterH
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There are people that got COVID and got over it, then got the shot and died. Stands to reason that they would have gotten over it a second time
My daughter sees people die almost every day. They are croaking WITH covid....comorbidities FTW.
I work with a guy who is anti vax but his wife was on the fence. She suffered a heart attack and died...he found her vax card after she eas gone.
Coincidence?
I work with a guy who is anti vax but his wife was on the fence. She suffered a heart attack and died...he found her vax card after she eas gone.
Coincidence?
My real good friend passed away after a cardiac arrest and he had the vax. He was mid 50s.
The Snowman
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A good friend of mine died a month ago from Covid. He was 40, healthy, with no underlying conditions that I was aware of.
He was however put on a vent pretty quickly and it seemed premature at the time.
He was only on the vent for a week before he had to go on the ECMO life support machine.
At that point he needed a double lung transplant.
He made a short recovery and was able to communicate and respond right before Thanksgiving but the ECMO crashed on him a few times and dropped his oxygen.
He passed a few days later having never been healthy enough for the transplant.
His daughter turned 2 a week later and he was supposed to get married the following week.
He was not vaccinated.
Sad situation.
Still doesn’t change my stance on not getting the vax.
Another good friend of mines dad died not long after getting his first dose of the vax. Caused some major neurological issues and he went down hill fast.
Was very healthy for his age before that.
He was however put on a vent pretty quickly and it seemed premature at the time.
He was only on the vent for a week before he had to go on the ECMO life support machine.
At that point he needed a double lung transplant.
He made a short recovery and was able to communicate and respond right before Thanksgiving but the ECMO crashed on him a few times and dropped his oxygen.
He passed a few days later having never been healthy enough for the transplant.
His daughter turned 2 a week later and he was supposed to get married the following week.
He was not vaccinated.
Sad situation.
Still doesn’t change my stance on not getting the vax.
Another good friend of mines dad died not long after getting his first dose of the vax. Caused some major neurological issues and he went down hill fast.
Was very healthy for his age before that.
Sounds great, just as long as we don't stop with covid. Heart disease? You better show proof of a healthy diet? Diabeetus? Hope you haven't been consuming more than your government allotment of sugar. Lung/respiratory issues? goddamn, if you're smoked even one cigarette you can go ahead and die in the street with the rest of the plague rats.
I think not aspirating is why there are random heart issues. We wont know for sure for a few more decades though.
I dont know anyone whose died from it, but i know dozens who got it and survived just fine. Even one who got it, beat it and had no clue he had it. Fuck i dont know if ive had it, just keep on trucking,
Is the definition of vaxxed 2 shots with a booster now, or does 1 shot only count? or does 2 shots but no booster count? Or what?