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Vaccine FAILURE, on every level.

Well... after all the chaotic mess we witnessed the last while now, and the term "science" being tarnished and ruined for many because it was based in lies... I get your point, to a point. After all is said and done we all know we were gaslighted, lied to, and straight up compromised in health and mental stability using "science" as the vessel to deliver us.

So it's basically the last time I will ever be told... (trying really hard to not burst out in laughter here) that science is truth and my faith is all premised in make believe and lies.

When someone steps into any argument with his opinion or faith based approach, we are all just supposed to correct that guy with "follow the science dude, you're being ridiculous"?

Yah, that's not happening anymore. Whatever credibility we were all explained to that science had, is done.
I understand your point, but I have to disagree.

Just because Poison sold a jillion records, doesn't mean I since refuse to listen to rock music.

Science still has credibility. People claiming to be scientists- or claim to follow science do not.
 
I understand your point, but I have to disagree.

Just because Poison sold a jillion records, doesn't mean I since refuse to listen to rock music.

Science still has credibility. People claiming to be scientists- or claim to follow science do not.
I think you missed my point in a way.... I am making the same argument for God. Just because some fanatic nitwits say he isn't, doesn't make it true. Let me rephrase. I place as much value in my faith in God, based on evidence, that many do in science. Yet I hear consistently that it has no place in any rational discussion. And that opinion is often delved out by people with no evidence to the contrary, who at the same time demand that "science" be given a right of passage based soley on the point of science exhibiting the ultimate truth. It's a farce, and I refuse to participate in their delusions.
 
exactly... so why demand that only opinions that match your own be the only sources of information for any discussion?
I might conclude because only his truth counts... despite the fact it is pure conjecture and based not in truth, but opinion.

Oh. snap. :flipoff2:
 
exactly... so why demand that only opinions that match your own be the only sources of information for any discussion?
I'm not demanding anything :homer::confused:
I'm saying opinions are not evidence.
If that doesn't clear it up, I can't help you.

I might conclude because only his truth counts... despite the fact it is pure conjecture and based not in truth, but opinion.

Oh. snap. :flipoff2:
Perfection of projection is your selection for protection :flipoff2:

But seriously: if 45acp 's take didn't clarify it for you, opine on . . .
 
Perfection of projection is your selection for protection :flipoff2:

But seriously: if 45acp 's take didn't clarify it for you, opine on . . .
Dang... I expected some logical debate. You're a great big let down. :flipoff2:Like the Native Americans, you should have fought harder. Whimp.
 
I think you missed my point in a way.... I am making the same argument for God. Just because some fanatic nitwits say he isn't, doesn't make it true. Let me rephrase. I place as much value in my faith in God, based on evidence, that many do in science. Yet I hear consistently that it has no place in any rational discussion. And that opinion is often delved out by people with no evidence to the contrary, who at the same time demand that "science" be given a right of passage based soley on the point of science exhibiting the ultimate truth. It's a farce, and I refuse to participate in their delusions.
I understand.

From my point of view---
"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." - Revelation 18:23

sorceries - Greek "pharmakeia", the use or administration of drugs. The nations are deceived by "Mystery Babylon's pharmakeia" or pharmaceuticals including "vaccines".
^This shit makes my eyes glaze over. It seems to be mirror opposite of Trust the Blue Science. It's taking something crazy, and doing the exact opposite crazy.

So I've got the blue media saying "Take this untested vaxx or you will die" and then I've got red friends all "the pharmacy of Babylon will poison thee with its witchcraft medicines..." and I can't get you guys to understand that you're both batshit crazy. :laughing:

And I didn't mean to call out MChat, was just using his post as an example.

This is why I can't do the team thing. Team Blue Science is the wrongest. With team Red Religion a distant 2nd. And yet I'm still okay with both science and religion. I just don't see much difference in thinking Satan is nightmanager of walgreens vs being double masked in a car.
 
I understand.

From my point of view---

^This shit makes my eyes glaze over. It seems to be mirror opposite of Trust the Blue Science. It's taking something crazy, and doing the exact opposite crazy.

So I've got the blue media saying "Take this untested vaxx or you will die" and then I've got red friends all "the pharmacy of Babylon will poison thee with its witchcraft medicines..." and I can't get you guys to understand that you're both batshit crazy. :laughing:

And I didn't mean to call out MChat, was just using his post as an example.

This is why I can't do the team thing. Team Blue Science is the wrongest. With team Red Religion a distant 2nd. And yet I'm still okay with both science and religion. I just don't see much difference in thinking Satan is nightmanager of walgreens vs being double masked in a car.
Hey man, I get it...

I can see the polar opposites and both sides looking cray cray, :laughing: And I will own my prejudice of wanting to defend the faith and all. I gotta pick my battles more carefully. :flipoff2:

So back on point... I sincerely wish we had an actual representation of science, where in a scientific method was used. A method that could be trusted and validated. This is where we are at unfortunately.

And for the record, I don't disagree with honest, actual science. Whatever we have seen the past while now, it just isn't science or truth in any fashion. We should all be demanding the truth, in science, and in general.
 
Dang... I expected some logical debate. You're a great big let down. :flipoff2:Like the Native Americans, you should have fought harder. Whimp.
Hmmm . . . it's "almost" as if I'm not here looking for a fight.

Find someone else to practice your master-baiter skills on :flipoff2:
 
:idea: <hymn music intro . . .>

Onward Christian troll-ers, marching as to war

On behalf of Je-sus, blocking logic's door :flipoff2:


<Breaking News!> the J-Man has weighed in:

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So back on point... I sincerely wish we had an actual representation of science, where in a scientific method was used. A method that could be trusted and validated. This is where we are at unfortunately.

And for the record, I don't disagree with honest, actual science. Whatever we have seen the past while now, it just isn't science or truth in any fashion. We should all be demanding the truth, in science, and in general.
Are you seriously conflating actual, objective, observed understandings with people who spout and/or use bits (that they may not even understand) for social or political leverage?

Are you saying there are no scientists out there who know what the fuck they're talking about versus morons you listen to?
 
Are you seriously conflating actual, objective, observed understandings with people who spout and/or use bits (that they may not even understand) for social or political leverage?

Are you saying there are no scientists out there who know what the fuck they're talking about versus morons you listen to?
So much as I would refer to people who discuss God and the biblical text... Yeah. I am seriously making the same exact reference. I give as much respect or merit to those dimwit Doctors or scientist like Fauci that I would a heretic, prosperity gospel moron like Joel Osteen.

Yup, I just made that correlation.

Was that even a real question?
 
Are you seriously conflating actual, objective, observed understandings with people who spout and/or use bits (that they may not even understand) for social or political leverage?

Are you saying there are no scientists out there who know what the fuck they're talking about versus morons you listen to?
Exactly^

The charlatans that have been using the credibility of "science" as a shield for their buggery are no better than the intern-fucking televangelists who said "send me your money because that's what God wants".

Humans are imperfect and opportunistic animals, don't conflate the words and actions of humanity's religions (including "the Science") with the purity of the entities from which they draw their authority.
 
Exactly^

The charlatans that have been using the credibility of "science" as a shield for their buggery are no better than the intern-fucking televangelists who said "send me your money because that's what God wants".

Humans are imperfect and opportunistic animals, don't conflate the words and actions of humanity's religions (including "the Science") with the purity of the entities from which they draw their authority.
That was a long, unnecessary discussion to arrive at the conclusion "we agree". Don't ya think? :flipoff2:
 
Exactly^

The charlatans that have been using the credibility of "science" as a shield for their buggery are no better than the intern-fucking televangelists who said "send me your money because that's what God wants".

Humans are imperfect and opportunistic animals, don't conflate the words and actions of humanity's religions (including "the Science") with the purity of the entities from which they draw their authority.
"Un skinny bop.... just ah blow me a way, yea"

[turns radio off]

I'm never listening to rock music again. It's garbage.
 
So much as I would refer to people who discuss God and the biblical text... Yeah. I am seriously making the same exact reference. I give as much respect or merit to those dimwit Doctors or scientist like Fauci that I would a heretic, prosperity gospel moron like Joel Osteen.

Yup, I just made that correlation.

Was that even a real question?

You do know that God made the Heavens for us to understand it, right?

"To seek, to find, and not to yield..." as one poet remarked.

Nothing is absolute, especially not when ALL of us forget that we're wearing monkey suits with HUGE disabilities with respect to seeing objective reality as it REALLY is. Or in your words: how God made it.

This is the struggle.
 
Unless is based in science. Then it's truth, yah? Because we all know it's never wrong.
FFS: It evolves as does understanding.

THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS PEOPLE ABUSING FINDINGS FOR THEIR OWN GAINS.

Science isn't some bullshit made up law argued by sycophants in court for their own goals.
 
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