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Vaccine FAILURE, on every level.

MuntCuffin said:
Well, did the explosion follow the reporting or did the reporting follow the explosion 🤔

Don't really remeber trannies being that big of a thing before rona.

Guess the rona causes dicks to fall off.
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dunno, prolly correlates more with elevating victim status to something positive, though I interact with that crowd through glorified porn sites so I don't have any idea at all on minors being sold the kool-aid

to my mind it got rolling real hard around 2014 or so
 
I kind of write it off to people pushing this idea. Growing up there were a few girls that I knew that were tomboys. One had a dirtbike and rode with us, the others were always up for BBgun wars and were not generally seen doing "typical" girl things. As they grew into highschool there was no doubt that they were girls. In this day and age someone in the school would have gotten a hold of them. Filled their heads with all this junk pushed their agenda and would have had them on hormone blockers by the end of the year thus taking away any future choices they might have had considering gender.
 
[486] said:
dunno, prolly correlates more with elevating victim status to something positive, though I interact with that crowd through glorified porn sites so I don't have any idea at all on minors being sold the kool-aid

to my mind it got rolling real hard around 2014 or so
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Victimized from the moment conception in their minds.

How the hell do you undo that level of damage?
 
nahmus said:
I kind of write it off to people pushing this idea. Growing up there were a few girls that I knew that were tomboys. One had a dirtbike and rode with us, the others were always up for BBgun wars and were not generally seen doing "typical" girl things. As they grew into highschool there was no doubt that they were girls. In this day and age someone in the school would have gotten a hold of them. Filled their heads with all this junk pushed their agenda and would have had them on hormone blockers by the end of the year thus taking away any future choices they might have had considering gender.
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Absolutely.

It requires surprisingly rigid gender roles to accept the gender less ideology.
 
nahmus said:
I kind of write it off to people pushing this idea. Growing up there were a few girls that I knew that were tomboys. One had a dirtbike and rode with us, the others were always up for BBgun wars and were not generally seen doing "typical" girl things. As they grew into highschool there was no doubt that they were girls. In this day and age someone in the school would have gotten a hold of them. Filled their heads with all this junk pushed their agenda and would have had them on hormone blockers by the end of the year thus taking away any future choices they might have had considering gender.
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Most of the tomboy girls I grew up with would have told those retards to fuck off.

Except for one or two of these, they all went on to be solid educated (in engineering/physics/biology/doctors (physicians) people that weren't cowed by what "society" told them what they should be.

Solid character trumps "personality formation".
 
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Icono said:
Most of the tomboy girls I grew up with would have told those retards to fuck off.

Except for one or two of these, they all went on the be solid educated (in engineering/physics/biology/doctors (physicians) people that weren't cowed by what "society" told them they should be.

Solid character trumps "personality formation".
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Most is the point. As long as they pressure then all, then a few will accept the benefits and attention. And a few is just enough to keep the control and pedophilia going.
 
Provience said:
Most is the point. As long as they pressure then all, then a few will accept the benefits and attention. And a few is just enough to keep the control and pedophilia going.
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You lost me here, I'm either missing the context of your reply, or misreading.

Can you rephrase?
 
Icono said:
You lost me here, I'm either missing the context of your reply, or misreading.

Can you rephrase?
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You said most Tom boys would have told the authority figure to fuck off with their hormone and cognitive therapy conversion bullshit.

Most is the point.

They only need some or a few or the occasional child to groom and abuse early in life, hence the desire to keep pressuring younger and younger kids.

As they have well demonstrated, the pressure and influence works and dies get kids to accept and resign that maybe they do need this stuff. Maybe they really are uncomfortable because they just haven't had enough affirmation yet, or whatever the next step continues to be. Maybe their anger and sadness is justified.

These few receptive kids then justify the entire program of abuse to the teachers and administration of the school, they get extra funding and create jobs for it.

The kids are transitory anyways, use them up and toss them to the next school, nobody cares. The kids are just a vehicle. Over time, more people will accept the benefit of identity crisis. Regardless of the harn it causes.
 
Provience said:
You said most Tom boys would have told the authority figure to fuck off with their hormone and cognitive therapy conversion bullshit.

Most is the point.

They only need some or a few or the occasional child to groom and abuse early in life, hence the desire to keep pressuring younger and younger kids.

As they have well demonstrated, the pressure and influence works and dies get kids to accept and resign that maybe they do need this stuff. Maybe they really are uncomfortable because they just haven't had enough affirmation yet, or whatever the next step continues to be. Maybe their anger and sadness is justified.

These few receptive kids then justify the entire program of abuse to the teachers and administration of the school, they get extra funding and create jobs for it.

The kids are transitory anyways, use them up and toss them to the next school, nobody cares. The kids are just a vehicle. Over time, more people will accept the benefit of identity crisis. Regardless of the harn it causes.
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Ah! What I missed in your first post, and what I just realized (even though you didn't address it in your clarification) is that "tomboys" are somehow "targets" because they might be confused and/or gay/and/or wanting to be men.

NONE of the "tomboys" I grew up with, NONE were confused about their sexuality, and if you asked them they'd fucking tell you.

Only one was gay, and she didn't give a fuck who knew it. The others weren't. This goes to where you're going with this. Wasn't a factor for the ones I grew up with.


This is where this "identity" bullshit is foisted on the "weak" charactered who "don't know who or what they are". I differentiate "character" from "personality", on the basis that "personality" is the mask that people adopt to interface with the World when needed, but too many think that's who they "are".

The latter are NOT who I was talking about. But they are the ones you're talking about who might be susceptible to this bullshit.

Thanks for elucidating further, much appreciated.
 
nahmus said:
hormone blockers by the end of the year thus taking away any future choices they might have had considering gender.
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transgender is crossdressers
transsexual is permanent pills and/or surgeries
'gender' being emotions/feelings toward attributes, 'sex' being physical manifestation of attributes

I have indeed noticed a lot of tomboyish women deciding to jump on the attention/affirmation train, but that's kinda just female nature. Or, that might not be fair to women, humans in general are just very much followers of the groupthink. Milgram prison experiment and all that shit.
 
Icono said:
This is where this "identity" bullshit is foisted on the "weak" charactered who "don't know who or what they are". I differentiate "character" from "personality", on the basis that "personality" is the mask that people adopt to interface with the World when needed, but too many think that's who they "are".

The latter are NOT who I was talking about. But they are the ones you're talking about who might be susceptible to this bullshit.
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and you know what's real funny? Every single one will react angrily if you so much as insinuate that some are in it for the attention rather than having actual hardwired issues with their self image.
'Cause you go telling yourself what you are continuously for years silently in your own head and eventually that's what you turn into. Practice makes permanent and all that. Applies to any sort of adopted personality traits you can think of.

The disconnect from their reactionary anger and rage is in the implication that it can be fixed once it takes root in the mind. Calls up the image of straight conversion therapy and all that shit. Don't get caught up in that side of things, I'm talking about gender dysphoria being something that can be programmed into one's mind. Through that there's the implication that it could be deprogrammed, with how we internalize things and then forget the breadcrumbs that led us to our conclusions that is a much harder trail to ride.
 
Tom boys are targets, effeminate boys are targets, otherwise anybody with any issues "have you considered that your problem may stem from being a girl In a boys body?"

Anything that doesn't align to a strict notion of gender roles.

I though transsexuals had completely disappeared, didn't know the term was still around.

The other issue is there is an incentive to go along with gender swapping or blurring. There is a promise that it will make life easier and if people would stop bullying, then the suicide risk would magically drop. Which is also bullshit
 
[486] said:
and you know what's real funny? Every single one will react angrily if you so much as insinuate that some are in it for the attention rather than having actual hardwired issues with their self image.
'Cause you go telling yourself what you are continuously for years silently in your own head and eventually that's what you turn into. Practice makes permanent and all that. Applies to any sort of adopted personality traits you can think of.

The disconnect from their reactionary anger and rage is in the implication that it can be fixed once it takes root in the mind. Calls up the image of straight conversion therapy and all that shit. Don't get caught up in that side of things, I'm talking about gender dysphoria being something that can be programmed into one's mind. Through that there's an implication that it could be deprogrammed, but with how we internalize things and then forget the breadcrumbs that led us to our conclusions that is a much harder trail to ride.
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Without the surgery and without the drugs it is much easier to see it as a choice. It was easier for society to accept that some people are faggots and that's okay, be as queer as you want with consenting adults, but it is obviously in your head. Drugs and surgery make it so that people cannot accept themselves and resolve internal issues, such as self image, for themselves . It shorts out the whole mechanism.
 
Provience said:
Tom boys are targets, effeminate boys are targets, otherwise anybody with any issues "have you considered that your problem may stem from being a girl In a boys body?"

Anything that doesn't align to a strict notion of gender roles.

I though transsexuals had completely disappeared, didn't know the term was still around.
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it kinda just gets shortened to "trans" in general and all mashed together into one group

kinda like how everyone's got it in their head that gender and sex are the same
puritanical values made 'sex' awkward to say so when 'gender' came along with a fairly close meaning lots of people jumped at the chance to ditch the awkward connotation. Nowadays it also carries with it an added +15 virtue signal points, too.

Provience said:
The other issue is there is an incentive to go along with gender swapping or blurring. There is a promise that it will make life easier and if people would stop bullying, then the suicide risk would magically drop. Which is also bullshit
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well that's where things fall apart, fighting your nature to conform to social norms is a straight path to depression and suicide
Some people it is seemingly hardwired, in others 'gay shit' is adopted later on, but once adopted it can become hardwired real easy.
Provience said:
Without the surgery and without the drugs it is much easier to see it as a choice. It was easier for society to accept that some people are faggots and that's okay, be as queer as you want with consenting adults, but it is obviously in your head. Drugs and surgery make it so that people cannot accept themselves and resolve internal issues, such as self image, for themselves . It shorts out the whole mechanism.
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again chicken and egg
there are some that such surgeries can help, but they are also the sort that are in a really fuckin' bad mental state, next stop in front of the train sorta state of mind
How that portion of people that the surgeries can 'help' is increasing in number is more alarmism about society pushing people into a bad mental state than it is about society pushing people to modify their bodies. To my mind.

Fucking humans are weird.
 
[486] said:
it kinda just gets shortened to "trans" in general and all mashed together into one group

kinda like how everyone's got it in their head that gender and sex are the same
puritanical values made 'sex' awkward to say so when 'gender' came along with a fairly close meaning lots of people jumped at the chance to ditch the awkward connotation. Nowadays it also carries with it an added +15 virtue signal points, too.


well that's where things fall apart, fighting your nature to conform to social norms is a straight path to depression and suicide
Some people it is seemingly hardwired, in others 'gay shit' is adopted later on, but once adopted it can become hardwired real easy.

again chicken and egg
there are some that such surgeries can help, but they are also the sort that are in a really fuckin' bad mental state, next stop in front of the train sorta state of mind
How that portion of people that the surgeries can 'help' is increasing in number is more alarmism about society pushing people into a bad mental state than it is about society pushing people to modify their bodies. To my mind.

Fucking humans are weird.
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a massive part of why people take such exception to this stuff with kids is that kids don't have a nature or a knowledge of nature. Humans can change their nature until their death, significant life outlook changes, all of those things. I don't disagree that people can adopt and hardwire as their nature any number of things as well as, or in addition to, what seems to be their basic predisposition.

It's gone pretty far from "be yourself" to "be yourself, as I tell you to be". it's incredible.

sure, i'll give that there are some people who can be "helped" by surgery or drugs. Well, I don't know. Does cutting your tits off really matter about who you are? I guess, maybe not everybody can do push ups and bench press until they lose their tits. It all falls back to the rigid gender norms that they feel must be reinforced. There is no reason a chick with tits can't wear a suit and not birth kids and work a high level office job with a short hair cut. There is this idea that you must look a certain way to feel a certain way or be a certain thing. Somehow they believe that they cannot be their image of themselves without also losing the tits.

otherwise, there is the incredibly tiny percent of the population who believes they aren't complete until they chop off their arm, or hand. people who really do benefit from surgery are in that same group. It is such an incredibly small anomaly of people, I can't justify any need to have it be any sort of conversation or expectation of being regular. There are people who feel compelled to eat dirt, there just aren't many, and we certainly don't have national affirmation groups for them.

I do agree that the increase in surgery and drug pushes, as well as shit like the sports groups saying you MUST decide by age 12, is pushing far more people into a terrible mental state than the physical body damage.



and yes, I feel the same way about cosmetic surgery for fake tits and calf implants
 
Provience said:
sure, i'll give that there are some people who can be "helped" by surgery or drugs. Well, I don't know. Does cutting your tits off really matter about who you are? I guess, maybe not everybody can do push ups and bench press until they lose their tits. It all falls back to the rigid gender norms that they feel must be reinforced. There is no reason a chick with tits can't wear a suit and not birth kids and work a high level office job with a short hair cut. There is this idea that you must look a certain way to feel a certain way or be a certain thing. Somehow they believe that they cannot be their image of themselves without also losing the tits.
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"vanity" in so many more words

Provience said:
otherwise, there is the incredibly tiny percent of the population who believes they aren't complete until they chop off their arm, or hand. people who really do benefit from surgery are in that same group. It is such an incredibly small anomaly of people, I can't justify any need to have it be any sort of conversation or expectation of being regular. There are people who feel compelled to eat dirt, there just aren't many, and we certainly don't have national affirmation groups for them.
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exactly
 
Provience said:
India isn't paying for shit, Pfizer is getting paid to produce by US taxpayers regardless of where they go.

They won't lose a single customer
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You're saying the US gov used our taxes to buy doses for the entire planet, expecting the entire planet to take the free doses?
And no other country pays a cent for any of it?

Got a link to that?
 
Yota Up said:
You're saying the US gov used our taxes to buy doses for the entire planet, expecting the entire planet to take the free doses?
And no other country pays a cent for any of it?

Got a link to that?
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That's basically what I'm saying. Who funds all those international and non government aid groups? Chart is likely about the same ratio as the people who are donating to Ukraine
 
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) tested positive for COVID-19 during a routine screening for the virus, his office said Sunday.

“As a part of his regular testing regimen, Leader Schumer received a positive test result for COVID-19,” his spokesman, Justin Goodman, said in a statement. “The Leader is fully vaccinated and double boosted, and has very mild symptoms. He greatly appreciates the protection the vaccine has provided him and encourages everyone to test regularly and get vaccinated and boosted.”
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ProjectTwin said:
I thought this was a vaccine thread. :homer:
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I don't know what thread I'm in ever, I just open all the "unread threads" in tabs and work my way through them, replying to shit that catches my eye

really pisses lilyota off in the meme thread lol
 
A report that was quietly published by the UK Government, just hours before Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced his resignation, reveals that Covid-19 deaths have risen dramatically among the triple vaccinated population in England over the past couple of months whilst declining drastically among the unvaccinated population. The “timely” release of this information makes it look like Jonshon’s resignation is a distraction from the biggest scam in human history (other than government itself.)
 
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