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Vaccination mandates on the horizon.

xr-nut said:
I will give you a pass, you don't know me. Locally I am involved in several groups that advocate for my rights and rights of my neighbors. We have meetings, we coordinate folks getting out to vote. We have changed our city's council to effectively change the mandates. We have changed our school board to change the mandates. We have effectively changed our county board to change the mandates. We are trying everything to keep our local communities free of the stupid. What we cannot effect, are the things I listed in my post. See my replies, to your replies, in red.
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That's great, it sounds like you're already doing what I would recommend to so many others. Work with others, look for options then act on them.

Based on your first response you sounded like you felt there were no options so I simply provided options to highlight the fact that there are options to every one of your problems.

They may not be the right options for you, I never intended them to be. The point is that other options are out there, they may not be the ones we want but that doesn't change the fact that they may be our best option. Obviously only you can decide what's best for you.
 
TanTJJim said:
I feel if we don't do everything in our power before it gets to that point then yes, it's for no reason.

For example, anyone can leave California at any point in time. They have the power to do this, right now. If someone comes back with "but I'll lose everything" I'd respond with "no, not everything". Maybe material things are lost, or careers, or status, but material garbage is not "everything".

There are almost always options, we just refuse to think about them because they're sacrifices we're too uncomfortable with. I agree, comfort is of too high a value right now and people will likely be put in positions of doing things their uncomfortable with. Most of us are feeling it now with the mandates, we're uncomfortable with them. But if we roll over now to save our other comforts, we'll lose more and more as the push continues.

Pushing back doesn't have to involve violence. You don't like California mandates, move now to a friendlier state. You don't like mandates at work, stop working there and find a job elsewhere. You can't afford to do all this, reach out to those who may be able to help. Be humble,
accept help, it's one of the hardest things to do in life, but it sure beats brother vs brother.
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This the discussion the wife and I had this morning. She is stuck looking in the tunnel of “now,” and trying to hold onto the life we’ve rebuilt over the last 3 years. My fear is how far they will go for cov-20-30 or when CA falls into a deep drought and wells start going dry.
 
Ksand said:
Punish people for poor decisions
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I prefer educating to improve decision making. Think about it, if people make better decisions you'll likely have more people on your side.

Wilson said:
This the discussion the wife and I had this morning. She is stuck looking in the tunnel of “now,” and trying to hold onto the life we’ve rebuilt over the last 3 years. My fear is how far they will go for cov-20-30 or when CA falls into a deep drought and wells start going dry.
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That's great to hear, I'm hearing of more and more people thinking critically about this. Trying to keep that ball rolling!
 
TanTJJim said:
It's called spit balling, throwing out options. For those who think they have no options, or that violence is the only option, I urge them to consider other options.

If you feel YOUR best option is stay and fight great! It's your choice and your option, run with what's best for you. I simply urge others to expand their thought and think about what options are out there as they are plentiful.

Your contributions may give someone even more options to consider and I thank you, that's exactly what we need.
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My line is them forcing me to put that shit into my children.... anything leading up to that is purely conjecture and bullshit. There is no other option once they force it on children. Violence will quickly change the course of this history. I don't care about anything else, politically, socially, or economically...i only care about my children. If they want to inject that shit into my children, i will inject lead into them first.
What, exactly will you do when they're forcing it on your kids, your nieces or nephews, grand kids, or anyone else you love? Run away:confused:Where too. If people don't stand up and resist now(as non- violently as possible since I'm not pro violence in reality. I hate the thought of harming another human being), violence will be the only answer I'm afraid. I do not relish this, i do not want this, but they don't think we're capable of doing it. They're wrong, dead wrong.
 
Sterlingfire said:
My line is them forcing me to put that shit into my children.... anything leading up to that is purely conjecture and bullshit. There is no other option once they force it on children. Violence will quickly change the course of this history. I don't care about anything else, politically, socially, or economically...i only care about my children. If they want to inject that shit into my children, i will inject lead into them first.
What, exactly will you do when they're forcing it on your kids, your nieces or nephews, grand kids, or anyone else you love? Run away:confused:Where too. If people don't stand up and resist now(as non- violently as possible since I'm not pro violence in reality. I hate the thought of harming another human being), violence will be the only answer I'm afraid. I do not relish this, i do not want this, but they don't think we're capable of doing it. They're wrong, dead wrong.
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This is going to happen, damn near immediately in california. As soon as the fda says it safe the kids, you better line them up. I would laugh, but it just pisses me off. It is making me feel dead inside, like all my fucks to give are gone. Just gone.
 
the conservative atheist said:
Chatter about it soon becoming a requirement to fly domestically.

How soon before it's a requirement to drive across state lines? We're pretty much gong that direction, aren't we?

Start moving out of liberal states before they build walls and gates around them and you can't leave? Never though this would be a legitimate worry in my lifetime. I've given a lot of thought to Florida, maybe Montana or SD. Not sure how long I can run from clown world though.
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Would never happen in America.
 
rockota said:
Would never happen in America.
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bunk said:
Cause going down in sinking ship is stupid. Ya got one life to live, make it the best you can.
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Won’t be able to sign a lease or mortgage w/o proof of the shot in ~9 months, I bet
 
which is also why false vaccination cards are rampant.

i mean, will be. they will be rampant. even by outspoken people who fight against the fight, there will be many who have cards. Wait for the news stories to come out "this terrorist of influence claims to be anti-vax, but THEY HAVE A VACCINE CARD !! " :laughing:
 
Was just reading that no covid vax avaible here in the states is FDA approved after all. It's only "comerity" or whatever and that's only available overseas?

If true that seems incredibly misleading to claim "FDA approval".
 
The only approved version is the Comirnaty branded version. If you didn't get that then you didn't get the fda approved vax. The fda approval doesn't retroactively apply to the emergency use experimental vax everyone got, even if it's identical. What that means is big pharma isn't liable for what happens to you with their product until the approved branded name version is in use.

They don't call it the scamdemic for nothin'.
 
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rockota said:
Parental rights won’t survive past 2022.
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There are laws on the books right now.

Let's say your kid gets Ebola. 90% death rate.
Let's say Asprin can cure them. 100% safe and effective.
You refuse to give your kid Asprin = state comes in and takes your kid by force, to protect the child from the crazy parent with a religion against life saving medicine.

Now imagine if they apply that to Covid and the vax.
 
TanTJJim said:
They think we believe our only option is violence, I believe that can't be further from the truth.
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Normally I'm fairly in agreement with you and i too have people on both sides that i like. But as for not wanting to see brother vs brother.. None of my brothers are on the other side but if they were and putting a cap in him would fix this country here and now I probably would do it. That is the difference between me and them. To survive means to be willing to kill the things you love. It is harsh but it is true
 
Yota Up said:
There are laws on the books right now.

Let's say your kid gets Ebola. 90% death rate.
Let's say Asprin can cure them. 100% safe and effective.
You refuse to give your kid Asprin = state comes in and takes your kid by force, to protect the child from the crazy parent with a religion against life saving medicine.

Now imagine if they apply that to Covid and the vax.
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That analogy is about curing a kid, though. These shots don’t cure anything, but parents will not be allowed to decide. The state owns the kids.
 
Yota Up said:
There are laws on the books right now.

Let's say your kid gets Ebola. 90% death rate.
Let's say Asprin can cure them. 100% safe and effective.
You refuse to give your kid Asprin = state comes in and takes your kid by force, to protect the child from the crazy parent with a religion against life saving medicine.

Now imagine if they apply that to Covid and the vax.
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See why I have always said that children are their parents' private property?
 
Ebs said:
The only approved version is the Comirnaty branded version. If you didn't get that then you didn't get the fda approved vax. The fda approval doesn't retroactively apply to the emergency use experimental vax everyone got, even if it's identical. What that means is big pharma isn't liable for what happens to you with their product until the approved branded name version is in use.

They don't call it the scamdemic for nothin'.
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if it does turn out to be that the vax is problematic, someone will be liable. Dont underestimate the fury of the people.
 
rockota said:
That analogy is about curing a kid, though. These shots don’t cure anything, but parents will not be allowed to decide. The state owns the kids.
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A lawyer on the news last night mentioned that law applying to vaccinating kids of parents that are anti vax.
 
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