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DannyK said:
If they truly deport all or most of the illegal immigrants, there will be a large negative impact on the US economy. The vast majority of those people are here doing the jobs no one else wants to do. With low unemployment right now, there will be no one to backfill those empty jobs.
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No one wants to do those jobs because they pay like shit because illegals devalued them over the last 30 years. There's a massive labor shortage in construction now because illegals have driven wages into the toilet across almost every trade and build quality has gone down with it as well. It's not that no one wants to be a carpenter but why the fuck am I going to be a carpenter to make $15/h when I could work at any shitty entry level office or retail job with a steady schedule, climate controlled work environment, benefits, etc for the same money. Meanwhile Juan is legal on paper but has 2-3 tiers of subs under him who aren't that he pays $10/h and they're thrilled to work 50 hours a week with no OT and all live together in a house with 10 other people. Now I have to bid at Juan's labor rate and hire him as a sub to land any work because every GC is getting bids based on illegal labor.

My uncle has been in construction all his life. Ran a great company that did quality work. Worked 100+ hours a week for years to try to keep the business going and ultimately closed it to go work for a GC. Why? Because he refused to use illegal labor and just couldn't compete running an honest business. These illegals don't just do the jobs no one wants to do, they kill opportunity for people who are following the law and they drive down standards of wages and standards of living for everyone else.
 
DannyK said:
It will cause inflation.
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DannyK said:
I have no idea. What do you think?

I'm guessing the crew who couldn't speak english and painted my house last year were not legal.

I'm guessing the crew who couldn't speak english and installed the hardwood floors in my master bedroom 2 years ago were not legal either.

It is obvious that everyone on this site wants all of them gone, so I will bow out from this discussion.
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DannyK said:
I will make one more post to clarify my position. I think the border should closed to 'plug the hole'. I think illegal immigrant criminals should be deported. I think illegal immigrants who are here AND working a job should be allowed to stay and put through the process to become legal. Any future immigrants would have to come through the proper legal channels.
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So as long as you can get your house painted cheaper and Ape Eaters can get is cheap TVs made by 8 year olds in China, all will be good?
 
I think we are the only country, or at least one of very few that have birthright citizenship. I want to say some countries you aren't technically considered a citizen until you turn a certain age and can verify that you've spent a certain amount of time in the country.

I get what they were trying to do back in the trying to get the country settled, but I'm not sure that makes sense anymore. Typically immigration is looked at as a way to keep population numbers up as a more technical society's birthrates tend to drop off. Its a good way to pad the tax base with more tax payers. That only works if they are legal and paying taxes though.
 
samy crawler said:
The only argument is how are they going to go around and find out who is illegal? Show me your papers? You know that ain't going to work well.
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They'll get find a lot of them passively. Things like routine traffic stops and other minor crimes. There's also active databases for a lot of them since a number of states are giving them benefits, driver licenses, etc. Feds are also documenting them to a degree since they're assigned hearing dates if they apply for asylum. They'll never get them all out of the country, but between passively picking up them as they commit crimes and the amnesty thing described below you'd get a lot of them.

Talked about this in another thread, but something else they can do to incentivize people to come forward is offer an amnesty period. Call it 90 days, adjust as needed for processing times. You get 90 days to turn yourself in, we document who you are, you choose where you get to go, and you get amnesty for being here illegally along with any minor crimes and non-violent felonies. If you turn yourself in during the amnesty period you're eligible to apply to come back legally in the future. After that amnesty period the penalty for being here illegally is increased. I'm not sure what, but harsh enough that it incentivizes people to turn themselves in. That penalty also only applies to people who came here illegally. If you came here legally and missed renewing a visa or whatever it's handled how it would normally be handled.

You'll also have a large number who just want to leave. A lot of them do already since they're basically just living in airports and bus stations because there's no jobs or anywhere for them to go but the Biden admin isn't paying for these people to leave. You start cracking down on employers for hiring illegals to the point it's not worth hiring them and you'll have even more wanting to leave if they can't work.
 
I love how the Left forgets that this guy was Obumer's "Border guy" that deported 8+M, and Obumer was a "savior" for it
 
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Motorcharge said:
They'll get find a lot of them passively. Things like routine traffic stops and other minor crimes. There's also active databases for a lot of them since a number of states are giving them benefits, driver licenses, etc. Feds are also documenting them to a degree since they're assigned hearing dates if they apply for asylum. They'll never get them all out of the country, but between passively picking up them as they commit crimes and the amnesty thing described below you'd get a lot of them.

Talked about this in another thread, but something else they can do to incentivize people to come forward is offer an amnesty period. Call it 90 days, adjust as needed for processing times. You get 90 days to turn yourself in, we document who you are, you choose where you get to go, and you get amnesty for being here illegally along with any minor crimes and non-violent felonies. If you turn yourself in during the amnesty period you're eligible to apply to come back legally in the future. After that amnesty period the penalty for being here illegally is increased. I'm not sure what, but harsh enough that it incentivizes people to turn themselves in. That penalty also only applies to people who came here illegally. If you came here legally and missed renewing a visa or whatever it's handled how it would normally be handled.

You'll also have a large number who just want to leave. A lot of them do already since they're basically just living in airports and bus stations because there's no jobs or anywhere for them to go but the Biden admin isn't paying for these people to leave. You start cracking down on employers for hiring illegals to the point it's not worth hiring them and you'll have even more wanting to leave if they can't work.
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Plus income taxes. See all those people claiming the same SSN working at the chicken plant? Might be worth looking into.
 
Bogus One said:
I love how the Left forgets that this guy was Obumer's "Border guy" that deported 8+M, and Obumer was a "savior" for it
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Actually, the media hid it from you, but there were a lot of protests over Obama and his deportations.
Never saw it on the news because they refused to show it in order to preserve his image, but if you dig around on the internet you'll find pictures and maybe a few small outlets that show the signs and people in the streets upset over the deportations on his watch.
 
It was Clinton until Obama came along. Clinton ran on deportation and securing the border. Then Bush came along and kept Clinton policy in place but deported fewer illegals but the MSM of course started calling it out as racist. Then Obama came along and expanded that policy adding in the camps, separating of families (which is isn't really), etc deporting record numbers and the MSM stopped covering it until Trump came along and kept the same policies and suddenly it was racist until Biden came along and kept those same policies but stopped the deportations and opened the border up.

The only reason Trump didn't break Obama's record was his border policies were working and illegals started voluntarily leaving. Same thing with Bush, he deported less because when the economy tanked in 2008 a shit load of illegals left the country because they couldn't find any work.
 
I was in the Marine Corps in the 90's under Clinton. At one point I was actively patrolling and reporting illegal sightings in California. Some may remember the kid that was shot by Marines on the border in '97. Those were guys from my shop. It was a fucked up deal all around, but it just shows how much things have changed.
 
DannyK said:
It will cause inflation.
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inflation is ONLY a result of government monetary policy and spending. private sector cannot cause inflation.

the principals of supply and demand are not inflation.
 
Rooney77 said:
So she's mad at the dude enforcing the laws she and her fellow representatives make?
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I think she is insisting that children should go to jail with their parents when the parents commit a crime.
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JD Mark said:
And everyone with half a brain knows the unemployment figures have been cooked since I don't remember when. Clinton maybe?

The .gov changed how unemployment was determined. Just like inflation.

And are you forgetting about the 7 million (I think) that just dropped out of the labor pool during covidiocy?
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the number you looking for is the labor participation rate.

www.bls.gov

Civilian labor force participation rate

www.bls.gov www.bls.gov
 
and here, because you might need 1.5 hours to fill and learn something.


Inflation is blamed on many things. But it has only one cause: It is a monetary phenomenon. Inflation occurs when the quantity of money increases faster than the quantity of goods. Why does the money supply increase? Very often, it does so to enable the government to pay its bills without raising taxes. There's only one real cure for inflation. It is a cure that's easy to describe but difficult to apply: The government must reduce spending and print less money. The alternatives are both recession and double-digit inflation. Recorded at University of San Diego & San Diego Chamber of Commerce ©1978 / 1:26
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why Trump or one of his folks wont come out every single week and quote Uncle Milty warmly and accuractely on inflation and other economic principals is beyond me.

It would make the Dems and the media's head explode and maybe it would push Paul Krugman to have an aneurysm.
 
DannyK said:
I'm sorry, but that is wrong.
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i will say it again.... the private sector cannot cause inflation. Only the government printing and spending money causes inflation.


here's a recent example. Biden is forgiving billions in student loans. Is he reducing government spending by billions somewhere else or contracting the money supply by the same amount to compensate for injecting billions into the money supply? NO.

Thats government spending and it causes inflation.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
Number 1 thing is if you want to be here legally learn to speak English. The amount of money spent in schools because kids cannot speak English is stupid.
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I used to feel the same way. Then one day I had an epiphany when it dawned on me that we are guaranteed to retain our right to free speech. It does not say it has to be in English. I had to alter my entire mindset over that one.
 
mrblaine said:
I used to feel the same way. Then one day I had an epiphany when it dawned on me that we are guaranteed to retain our right to free speech. It does not say it has to be in English. I had to alter my entire mindset over that one.
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you can still have free speech in any language. but the US should not be required to teach you english in government schools or accomodate other languages in government communications and dealings.
 
Texas97 said:
you can still have free speech in any language. but the US should not be required to teach you english in government schools or accomodate other languages in government communications and dealings.
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As far as I recall the US is the only country that doesn't have an official language. Time to fix that.
 
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